Premier League 2023/2024

[rossdapep]

I know teams hit form at different time etc but we got absolutely pumped away to Brighton whereas city have gone there and totally dominated them 4-0, shows we have a long way to go if we want to be title challengers under Ange.

We do, you're not wrong, but we did have all our CBs missing, no Maddison, Bentancur or Bissouma.

I think the Fulham game is more reflective of where we are and we'll soon see how City deal with that then that's a fair comparison to make I think.

But yes, we are not anywhere close to that level yet. But that comes when the foundations are fully implemented.

City can play at 80% and still win comfortable at times but then they can switch it on and thump teams 4 or 5-0.

We play at 80% and we get beat easily.

 

[rossdapep]

Can see West Ham beating a tired/deflated Liverpool.

Depends, I'm not sure if they are playing for Moyes anymore. The EL KO has ended their season and they are probably happy to see the end of his football.

 

[Mr Pink]

Depends, I'm not sure if they are playing for Moyes anymore. The EL KO has ended their season and they are probably happy to see the end of his football.

They always get up for the bigger teams at home though mate

 

[DenverSpur]

I think Fulham away has become a tough fixture too.

Only for us.

 

[DenverSpur]

Tell you what, I’m just glad we play City second to last game of the season and not this Sunday.

By then we’ll be much clearer on if we’re in a battle for 4th or have secured 5th and will know if we need to hand the win to City or can give it a go (if Arsenal have fallen away)

Postecoglu is not going to be handing any win to City or any other team. I also don’t think he will look kindly on any player who does either.

 

[DenverSpur]

Nah fuck that I'm Spurs first before anything else. I don't want them winning the league, but I still want us to beat City and Liverpool.

This 100%. I was at OT at the end of a season( can’t remember what year) and the title was between Utd and Arsenal. A Utd win gave them the title. There were fans around me cheering when Utd scored( we lost 4-1 if I remember rightly) and to be honest it made me feel sick. I couldn’t then and still don’t understand how you’d want your team to lose regardless of the unpalatable effect it might have. SPURS are my team and I want them to win every game they play.

 

[DenverSpur]

He's looking for it but there is contact. Surely they must be reviewing it in the background

The defender leans his leg up against the forward causing him to lose his balance. It’s a clear penalty and another glaring example of how referees do not understand how football is played and the tricks defended get up to. It was the same earlier when Rodri pulled down Gross by pulling down on his arm. VAR can see that even if the referee can’t but they say not enough contact although most players know it is.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

This 100%. I was at OT at the end of a season( can’t remember what year) and the title was between Utd and Arsenal. A Utd win gave them the title. There were fans around me cheering when Utd scored( we lost 4-1 if I remember rightly) and to be honest it made me feel sick. I couldn’t then and still don’t understand how you’d want your team to lose regardless of the unpalatable effect it might have. SPURS are my team and I want them to win every game they play.

Well it’s quite simple really, if winning that game away against Utd did nothing for us whatsoever and we would’ve finished mid table either way then for that one off match as a Tottenham fan, seeing your team lose an essentially meaningless match right at the end of the season to stop your biggest most bitter rivals winning the league, stopping them gloating, stopping their fans being able to brag about it, stopping them have that trophy win eched into their history etc etc is well worth it.

Now if us beating man.u instead of losing to them meant us getting into Europe or not for example then bit of a different story.

I actually think it’s a bit of an overly simplistic view of just saying “I never want my team to lose”, it completely ignores the overall picture and circumstance.

And it’s the same this season imo, if come the man.city game we mathematically will finish let’s say 5th regardless of our final 2 match results but by city beating us it stops Arsenal winning the league then ofc I wouldn’t actively cheer for city but if they did win id certainly not be overly disappointed about it.

 

[luRRka]

Well it’s quite simple really, if winning that game away against Utd did nothing for us whatsoever and we would’ve finished mid table either way then for that one off match as a Tottenham fan, seeing your team lose an essentially meaningless match right at the end of the season to stop your biggest most bitter rivals winning the league, stopping them gloating, stopping their fans being able to brag about it, stopping them have that trophy win eched into their history etc etc is well worth it.

Now if us beating man.u instead of losing to them meant us getting into Europe or not for example then bit of a different story.

I actually think it’s a bit of an overly simplistic view of just saying “I never want my team to lose”, it completely ignores the overall picture and circumstance.

And it’s the same this season imo, if come the man.city game we mathematically will finish let’s say 5th regardless of our final 2 match results but by city beating us it stops Arsenal winning the league then ofc I wouldn’t actively cheer for city but if they did win id certainly not be overly disappointed about it.

This is a sensible take and how most people would feel. The weirdos saying they would rather finish 17th so arsenal finish 2nd are mad. To be in a relegation battle to make arsenal finish 2nd just shows you're more of an arsenal hater than a spurs supporter imho

 

[Styopa]

This is a sensible take and how most people would feel. The weirdos saying they would rather finish 17th so arsenal finish 2nd are mad. To be in a relegation battle to make arsenal finish 2nd just shows you're more of an arsenal hater than a spurs supporter imho

I think in fairness a lot of people don’t think much is on the line. They think we’ll probably finish fifth whatever, so losing to Man C wouldn’t mean much.

But I disagree. I think there’s a good chance of us still finishing fourth.

And even if there wasn’t, we should want to win all our matches. I agree with you that we need to worry about ourselves and that’s it.

 

[Styopa]

Well it’s quite simple really, if winning that game away against Utd did nothing for us whatsoever and we would’ve finished mid table either way then for that one off match as a Tottenham fan, seeing your team lose an essentially meaningless match right at the end of the season to stop your biggest most bitter rivals winning the league, stopping them gloating, stopping their fans being able to brag about it, stopping them have that trophy win eched into their history etc etc is well worth it.

Now if us beating man.u instead of losing to them meant us getting into Europe or not for example then bit of a different story.

I actually think it’s a bit of an overly simplistic view of just saying “I never want my team to lose”, it completely ignores the overall picture and circumstance.

And it’s the same this season imo, if come the man.city game we mathematically will finish let’s say 5th regardless of our final 2 match results but by city beating us it stops Arsenal winning the league then ofc I wouldn’t actively cheer for city but if they did win id certainly not be overly disappointed about it.

But isn’t this the wrong attitude to have? To even think that?

We need to establish a habit of winning and you don’t do that if you approach matches with the attitude that I don’t care about winning this one because if we lose it will harm our rivals.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

But isn’t this the wrong attitude to have? To even think that?

We need to establish a habit of winning and you don’t do that if you approach matches with the attitude that I don’t care about winning this one because if we lose it will harm our rivals.

I mean tbh it doesn’t really matter what us fans think because Ange and the players will be going out to win every match so I think it’s fine for that one of match if some fans aren’t too fussed about the result, at the end of the day what matters is the players and the managers.

But results right at the end of the season when/if nothing is on the line at that point are the only ones which can be excused a bit imo, although totally get your point that we as a club should be cultivating a culture to try to win every match but I have a heck of a lot of Arsenal supporting mates so frankly if we can’t change our final position by then, I wouldn’t be upset if city beat us if it stopped Arsenal winning.

 

[Oscar22]

I think people forget players can hear them on the pitch sometimes.

I’m never going to actively cheer for the other team to beat us because it stops our rivals winning. That to me is so unbelievably small time it’s unreal.

If we’re playing a game, I want us to win THAT is what breeds the mentality of winning things. I don’t care if we finish in the same position regardless, I want us to win the game.

If Arsenal need us to beat City, and our position is guaranteed regardless. I still want us to try and win the game, if we then don’t win, the helpful part is I’ll get over it quicker in a ‘at least it fucks over Arsenal’ way. I would never though, actively cheer another teams goal against us.

I love Spurs so much more than I hate Arsenal. If all you’re worried about is your mates taking the piss or having to read it on social media then just grow a pair, Jesus.

I bet half the people saying we’ve done enough for the season so now they’d rather we just gave up and let games go to stop Arsenal winning are the same people saying we never push on and try and win things.

If Arsenal win the league so be it, personally I think they’ll drop points and the City machine will get it done. Either way, I’m never going to celebrate goals against us.

 

[Tucker]

The truth is we probably won’t need to “throw the game” against City. We are in poor form, and will likely get shredded in a similar way to Brighton did last night.

As much as I’ve enjoyed this season and think we are on the right track, I don’t expect us to get any points against City, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea.

Can see us dropping points against Burnley or Sheffield United too tbh.

 

[ajspurs]

The truth is we probably won’t need to “throw the game” against City. We are in poor form, and will likely get shredded in a similar way to Brighton did last night.

As much as I’ve enjoyed this season and think we are on the right track, I don’t expect us to get any points against City, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea.

Can see us dropping points against Burnley or Sheffield United too tbh.

My take on it from what we've seen so far this season is that anything is possible, which is both good and bad. Can see us beating Arsenal/City, but also wouldn't be surprised if we dropped points against Burnley or Sheffield United. It's a very mid-table Tottenham of old feeling to have. I don't mean to overreact in saying such a thing considering we're 5th right now but there's currently too much inconsistency.

 

[Tucker]

My take on it from what we've seen so far this season is that anything is possible, which is both good and bad. Can see us beating Arsenal/City, but also wouldn't be surprised if we dropped points against Burnley or Sheffield United. It's a very mid-table Tottenham of old feeling to have. I don't mean to overreact in saying such a thing considering we're 5th right now but there's currently too much inconsistency.

The inconsistency is perfectly understandable given the disruptions our squad has had this season. We are a work in progress so there was always going to be ups and downs this year.

I just hope people don’t over react to a poor end to the season for us.

 

[Guntz]

The truth is we probably won’t need to “throw the game” against City. We are in poor form, and will likely get shredded in a similar way to Brighton did last night.

As much as I’ve enjoyed this season and think we are on the right track, I don’t expect us to get any points against City, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea.

Can see us dropping points against Burnley or Sheffield United too tbh.

If City plays like they did last night, they will beat us comfortably.

Regardless of whether we turn our form around.

They're just on a completely different level to us, unfortunately.

 

[ajspurs]

The inconsistency is perfectly understandable given the disruptions our squad has had this season. We are a work in progress so there was always going to be ups and downs this year.

I just hope people don’t over react to a poor end to the season for us.

Yep, there are many legitimate reasons as to why the inconsistency is prevalent.

As defeatist as it sounds I've already accepted that we most likely won't get fourth. If we beat Arsenal and get a win at Stamford Bridge then it's a different story, but that's a tough ask.

 

[cwy21]

We all know how this story turns out. We'll play our best game of the season to beat City, Arsenal will win the league and we'll still finish 5th after losing to Sheffield.

 

[Tucker]

We all know how this story turns out. We'll play our best game of the season to beat City, Arsenal will win the league and we'll still finish 5th after losing to Sheffield.

Could easily happen.