ajspurs
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Sidenote: I will never tire of hearing Ajax fans singing it
Another sidenote is that they may be having a Bob Marley inspired kit for next season. Yet to be confirmed though.
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Another sidenote is that they may be having a Bob Marley inspired kit for next season. Yet to be confirmed though.
spurs mental
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Sidenote: I will never tire of hearing Ajax fans singing it
I'm just reminded of half time in the semi final of the CL. It was blaring out and they were all on cloud 9.
Then we were all on cloud 90+5.
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People writing off Werner/ havertz need to remember that Sonny didn’t exactly set the world alight in his first season - he even said he wanted to quit, he was that below par...
with an experienced coach there’s a great squad at Chelsea with lots of young talent waiting to be unleashed
with an experienced coach there’s a great squad at Chelsea with lots of young talent waiting to be unleashed
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I have ESPN on ignore. You might want to try that.
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Shadydan
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Won't be long until they get a proper coach at this rate.
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TBF to them, they’ve lost plenty this season due to COVID and half their defence is out injured, long term.
spursfan77
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But Sonny had a chronic foot injury, which was painful to play through, which he did. That’s can’t be forgotten. Once he was over that, he was fine.
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I think Werner is very overrated, happy we didn't get him.
Havertz I think have some mentality issues/adjusting to overcome, if he fixes that he can be very good.
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I don't we were ever in for him and it wouldn't have worked under Mourinho anyway, the lad is still way too soft and immature for the PL and probably should've stayed at Leverkusen for another year. Clearly talented though.
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The main reason why Werner scored so many goals is because that Red Bull side was built for him, he played off Poulsen thus always had space to run into as he wasn't the one who was preoccupied, that Redbull team generally created a high amount of chances regardless. At Chelsea he's been played up front where IMO playing with his back to goal makes him pretty much useless as he has a loose touch and that just isn't his game and played on the left where he struggles to link up with Chillwell and he struggles to get into the game, I said at the time it's the most pointless signing anyone can make especially in the Prem where you'd have to change your tactics to fit him.
Havertz will come good though, he's a bit shell-shocked by the league's phisicality and mentally he isn't there yet, also and Lampard's lack of tactics isn't helping him, he's a talented kid - the comparisons to Dele are appropriate but I think he could eventually grow into a very good modern day no10 because he has the capabilities to play there (better touch/quicker thinker) unlike Dele for example who struggles to play that role .
Havertz will come good though, he's a bit shell-shocked by the league's phisicality and mentally he isn't there yet, also and Lampard's lack of tactics isn't helping him, he's a talented kid - the comparisons to Dele are appropriate but I think he could eventually grow into a very good modern day no10 because he has the capabilities to play there (better touch/quicker thinker) unlike Dele for example who struggles to play that role .
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Werner has 8 goals and 6 assists in 24 matches, not bad for a new player adjusting to the new league, and he played twice as many games on the wing. Similar stats to Mane, he will be great for them especially next season and onward when he fully adjusts to the league. Tuchel could replace Lampard and he will know his worth and how to use him best, probably.
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To add context in the league he's scored against Burnley, Sheffield United and Southampton, Krosnodor and Stade Rennais in the CL and a weakened Spurs side in the Carabao - I mean that's not exactly great is it , Chelsea have scored 32 goals in the league and he's only scored 4 of them in 17 matches.
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He also added 4 assists (or is it 5, different sites show it differently). That's 8 (or 9) goals directly contributed by him in 17 matches, and mostly playing on left wing. Disappointing but not terrible, he will probably have similar trajectory to Son.
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There's generally a pattern against teams who he's scoring or assisting against and it's mainly teams who aren't organised and are generally easier to break down, that doesn't really bode well, the one thing that he has going for him is pace so he's always going to be able to break lines with his pace and being direct. Look he's not useless but he's generally not suited to a team in this modern day unless the team is built around him, he's the sort of player you have to find a particular role for like Redbull did, unless you're playing 2 strikers then you're not going to see the best of him and not many teams play with 2 strikers these days.
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I don't feel bad for Lampard and Chelsea, but to play devil's advocate: having all these under-23 players and basically an entirely new starting lineup is probably the worst way to go into this COVID-shortened season. I know players like Ziyech barely had a preseason, and all the pieces of a successful integration for Werner and Havertz will take time. It's only 4 months into the season and they've made it out of their CL group and only a couple weeks ago were looking like real title contenders. That said, progress has to be looked at as the key for a manager and I'm struggling to see what progress Frank is making.
Werner continues to look worse and worse, as teams realize that shunting him to the wing nullifies his goal threat and that he's not a real threat to cross the way a CHO or Ziyech is. Interestingly, both Havertz and Werner probably aren't in chelsea's best XI right now,, not necessarily because they're bad players but they're both uniquely suited to their old sides still. They both need space and a specific set-up to succeed. Havertz is almost a second striker in the Muller/Dele mould and is not a CM in this league, while Werner is also a second striker. he reminds me a bit of a faster Defoe actually, an instinctive finisher who can run a long way to get a chance but lacks the physicality and technical ability to be great alone or on the wing. Frank is caught between trying to integrate them and save his job..
a 4-2-3-1 with
-------Giroud
Pulisic-Ziyech/Mount-CHO
as the front 4 seems to be the best mix of pace, power, and balance with both Odoi and Pulisic able to switch wings and make penetrating runs. I think when fit Ziyech is their most talented player and must be tried there.
Weirdly, and with their budget Chelsea should never have this excuse, depth is an actual issue for them. Without Kante there's a significant lack of defensive cover in midfield, and both James/Chilwell who start for England have been overplayed heavily. They looked shattered vs. Villa and City and seem to have lost the huge attacking threat they were at the start of the year. Same with defense, Christensen/Rudiger have spelled disaster for Chelsea when Silva or Zouma don't play together.
I certainly don't envy Frank's position as I think he's being scapegoated for what are sort of unrealistic expectations, but he has yet to provide his players with a cohesive plan or path to success. Think he will be out by the end of the year.
Werner continues to look worse and worse, as teams realize that shunting him to the wing nullifies his goal threat and that he's not a real threat to cross the way a CHO or Ziyech is. Interestingly, both Havertz and Werner probably aren't in chelsea's best XI right now,, not necessarily because they're bad players but they're both uniquely suited to their old sides still. They both need space and a specific set-up to succeed. Havertz is almost a second striker in the Muller/Dele mould and is not a CM in this league, while Werner is also a second striker. he reminds me a bit of a faster Defoe actually, an instinctive finisher who can run a long way to get a chance but lacks the physicality and technical ability to be great alone or on the wing. Frank is caught between trying to integrate them and save his job..
a 4-2-3-1 with
-------Giroud
Pulisic-Ziyech/Mount-CHO
as the front 4 seems to be the best mix of pace, power, and balance with both Odoi and Pulisic able to switch wings and make penetrating runs. I think when fit Ziyech is their most talented player and must be tried there.
Weirdly, and with their budget Chelsea should never have this excuse, depth is an actual issue for them. Without Kante there's a significant lack of defensive cover in midfield, and both James/Chilwell who start for England have been overplayed heavily. They looked shattered vs. Villa and City and seem to have lost the huge attacking threat they were at the start of the year. Same with defense, Christensen/Rudiger have spelled disaster for Chelsea when Silva or Zouma don't play together.
I certainly don't envy Frank's position as I think he's being scapegoated for what are sort of unrealistic expectations, but he has yet to provide his players with a cohesive plan or path to success. Think he will be out by the end of the year.
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Havertz also had covid
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