Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[southlondonyiddo]

I will give him a few weeks of Sess and lo Celso. Fail to play well and it's done.

No pressure on those 2 then!

Hopefully Sess is the lord mighty himself and Lo Celso is in the form of the 2nd coming otherwise I fear those two alone have no chance chucked in with a huge bunch of rotting apples

I do not blame Poch. In my opinion he has not been backed but there are far too many issues for him to be able to turn it around. The Chairman will not back him because it will cost too much and as that is the case he will have to go, along with, I fear, many supporters!

 

[Deleted member 27995]

No pressure on those 2 then!

Hopefully Sess is the lord mighty himself and Lo Celso is in the form of the 2nd coming otherwise I fear those two alone have no chance chucked in with a huge bunch of rotting apples

I do not blame Poch. In my opinion he has not been backed but there are far too many issues for him to be able to turn it around. The Chairman will not back him because it will cost too much and as that is the case he will have to go, along with, I fear, many supporters!

He just drew against a team that had scored four goals all season and played five at the back against them with his top signing (£60million quids worth) sat on the bench at home and you want to blame those above him?

LOL

 

[southlondonyiddo]

He just drew against a team that had scored four goals all season and played five at the back against them with his top signing (£60million quids worth) sat on the bench at home and you want to blame those above him?

LOL

Yep, afraid so

I’m not sure he has implemented walking football in training either but I sure as hell watched 86mins of it on Saturday

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Yep, afraid so

I’m not sure he has implemented walking football in training either but I sure as hell watched 86mins of it on Saturday

Well perhaps he should whine to the press less, get his ghost writer to put the lid back on his pen and get back to being a coach and not a manager then ...

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Poch clearly wants out after not been backed and realising his ‘project' at Tottenham is over. Told us and Levy ages and ages ago to be brave....


Will not walk, wants Levy to sack him

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Poch clearly wants out after not been backed and realising his ‘project' at Tottenham is over. Told us and Levy ages and ages ago to be brave....


Will not walk, wants Levy to sack him

Take the day off.

 

[Fidget]

Poch clearly wants out after not been backed and realising his ‘project' at Tottenham is over. Told us and Levy ages and ages ago to be brave....


Will not walk, wants Levy to sack him

Yeah you been spammed but could be right.
Business is a ‘funny old game’ too.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Yeah you been spammed but could be right.
Business is a ‘funny old game’ too.

When you leave the player you earmarked as your top transfer target (and get) on the bench against the worse team in the league man doesn't have a leg to stand on.

People talk utter bollocks to try and reaffirm a point on here.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Take the day off.

I have taken the day off. Managed to cut the grass earlier too. Bloody wet out there

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I have taken the day off. Managed to cut the grass earlier too. Bloody wet out there

Doing a better job than Poch with the tools at your disposal then I guess, well done.

 

[rossdapep]

No it wasn’t. We were terrible from the beginning of last season, but it progressively got worse and we still managed to grind out wins despite our poor performances. As ever people correlate the decline with when the results turned bad but I remember clearly posting that results were not mirroring performances in September October November 2018 and that if we continued like we were, the results would turn bad, and they did.

I actually think it goes a little further than that. Back end of 17/18 season.

West Brom away
Newcastle Watford at home where we just squeezed past but looked laboured
Leicester 5-4 where despite needing to win were all over the place.

I think that was the very beginning and why the majority of us where gobsmacked when we made no new signings.

You then have to get into the mind set of the players who at the back end of 17/18 must have been thinking we need new players, we need to push the boat out and show we want to compete with City. Then no-one comes in! I think every one of our big hitters would have doubted the club's ambition at that point.

Kane wouldn't have signed that contract just cause he loves the club, it would have been under the premise that we will show ambition. We've clearly not done enough.....and the managers mixed messages do nothing to help

 

[Spurs' Pipe Dreams]

 

[Gilzeanking]

Already posted SPD , but I have to agree with their key point that without our commitment (energy ,press, etc) the whole thing falls apart

 

[Fidget]

Already posted SPD , but I have to agree with their key point that without our commitment (energy ,press, etc) the whole thing falls apart

Yeah this totally nails the big problems. Presumed promises of new players, that never happened. Quality of young players up from reserves and youth teams not being good enough. Reliance upon Erikson for real class and footballing intelligence, without new investment.
Workmanlike team who have probably given their best. Star, quality players like Kane, Alli, Son, Lamela needing to work with those players who stand in the ‘real class’ order. Some players, with very high quality expectation, who have never quite made it.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Already posted SPD , but I have to agree with their key point that without our commitment (energy ,press, etc) the whole thing falls apart

Come on that’s no rocket science is it. We all know how hard Pochs teams have to work, double sessions etc

Let’s face it all successful teams work incredibly hard. As they always say 'you have to earn the right to play' and then your better quality takes over and hopefully a lot more times than not you go on to win the game

When Harry used to say 'just get out there and fucking run around a lot' there is a huge amount of truth in that

I’ve always believed a game is won far more on attitude and desire rather than tactical genius or formations

As we‘ve all seem recently you can’t get any decent results or form from a very good group of players if they do not run around on the pitch. Saturday was like watching a game of walking football with players for the most part looking like traffic cones

Stating the bleedin obvious doesn’t solve anything....

 

[Rocksuperstar]

While it upsets me that such a promising squad has started to come apart at the seems, I simply can't see the sense in pointing the finger at the manager.

Looking at it from both sides; If we replace the manager will that change the attitude of the four players, who up until this term have been key to our progression, and make them the same players they were before? I wholly doubt it, I can't think of a single manager who would be able to motivate these guys now.

My guess is that Mopo is the type of guy that if you go to him and say, "I want to leave", he'll say fair enough, lets see who comes in for you. If no-one does then what the hell is anyone supposed to do about that? It's not like we had enquiries for any of them that were below asking price - Toby was available for £25m, an insane price for a player who, at the time, was rated among the best in Europe, but instead the other clubs decide to hold off in the hope that they can pick him up for free next term.

Toby, we can't make time pass any faster. If they come in for you at the end of this season then I have very little doubt that we'll accept that and leave it up to you, but the way you've played the last couple of months, I have to wonder if those clubs will still be interested.

Eriksen's the same, but he's a much more important player to the team - we revolved around him, he was key to so many of our attacks, so now we're in a spot where we either include him as our strongest player in that position or we field a second string. Either way we're hamstrung - in the team, his passing stinks and his effort is in single figures, out of the team we have to field a weaker lineup.

The players who want out are affecting our team on the pitch and the squad off of it - they've gone from being on board with Pochs plan eighteen months ago to looking like they are actively trying to throw away games, simply because they were all expecting to be on mammoth wages by now.

The fact they aren't is not Poch's fault. It's not Levy's fault and it's certainly not the fans' fault, so to see attitudes change so sharply and change the dynamic of the team so much pisses me right off. Maybe if they came out and admitted that they have their hearts elsewhere I'd have some respect for them but more than Toby's lip-service "we're still behind Poch" statement after the match the other day they don't say a word. Fair enough, private affairs etc. I can appreciate that, but don't then drag it onto the pitch. It makes no sense to punish the club and it's damaging your own brand in the long run.

 

[sammyj]

100% stay

 

[mike_l]

While it upsets me that such a promising squad has started to come apart at the seems, I simply can't see the sense in pointing the finger at the manager.

Looking at it from both sides; If we replace the manager will that change the attitude of the four players, who up until this term have been key to our progression, and make them the same players they were before? I wholly doubt it, I can't think of a single manager who would be able to motivate these guys now.

My guess is that Mopo is the type of guy that if you go to him and say, "I want to leave", he'll say fair enough, lets see who comes in for you. If no-one does then what the hell is anyone supposed to do about that? It's not like we had enquiries for any of them that were below asking price - Toby was available for £25m, an insane price for a player who, at the time, was rated among the best in Europe, but instead the other clubs decide to hold off in the hope that they can pick him up for free next term.

Toby, we can't make time pass any faster. If they come in for you at the end of this season then I have very little doubt that we'll accept that and leave it up to you, but the way you've played the last couple of months, I have to wonder if those clubs will still be interested.

Eriksen's the same, but he's a much more important player to the team - we revolved around him, he was key to so many of our attacks, so now we're in a spot where we either include him as our strongest player in that position or we field a second string. Either way we're hamstrung - in the team, his passing stinks and his effort is in single figures, out of the team we have to field a weaker lineup.

The players who want out are affecting our team on the pitch and the squad off of it - they've gone from being on board with Pochs plan eighteen months ago to looking like they are actively trying to throw away games, simply because they were all expecting to be on mammoth wages by now.

The fact they aren't is not Poch's fault. It's not Levy's fault and it's certainly not the fans' fault, so to see attitudes change so sharply and change the dynamic of the team so much pisses me right off. Maybe if they came out and admitted that they have their hearts elsewhere I'd have some respect for them but more than Toby's lip-service "we're still behind Poch" statement after the match the other day they don't say a word. Fair enough, private affairs etc. I can appreciate that, but don't then drag it onto the pitch. It makes no sense to punish the club and it's damaging your own brand in the long run.

You only have to look at Chelsea going from bottom half one season to title winners the next, without a complete overhaul, to see that yes, a new manager can quite emphatically have that effect.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

You only have to look at Chelsea going from bottom half one season to title winners the next, without a complete overhaul, to see that yes, a new manager can quite emphatically have that effect.

How many of their players were eyeing the exit door twelve months from now, for a fee-free personal bonus and much higher wages than they were already on?

We've got four core players all in that situation and who have all just found out that the giant, super-rich teams don't love them as much as they said they did at the end of last year. Half the clubs in Europe sent our players a load of pics of their tits, maybe promised them a blowy, then as soon as they get a chance to cash it in the other clubs go cold and ghost their messages.

I get it, that sucks, but instead of buffing up and showing these slappers what they missed out on, they're sulking and just reinforcing those clubs decisions to not have spent the money on them that would've allowed us to replace them properly.

Instead they're now left looking like the most attractive part of signing them isn't their skill it's the lack of a fee, rather than the skills that got them looking in the first place.

 

[nedley]

100% stay

Will your loyalty waiver at all if you see Rose, Eriksen and Aurier start tonight?