Players have lost confidence in Ramos?

[yanno]

We looked totally lacking in confidence and commitment. To me, the players looked - yet again - like they didn't understand what they were supposed to be doing.

At Sevilla, Ramos played a consistent 4-4-2, with the positions well defined. So whilst he rotated players, they all knew their jobs.

Our players look like they don't have a clue what they're supposed to be doing.

With that central three, Jenas had to be the one supporting Pav. I didn't notice him getting forwards once.

We've bought a CM playmaker in Modric, and he doesn't get on the pitch.

I've been a big defender of Ramos, but now I'm genuinely concerned. If the players don't get it, then either you sign a new squad or change the coach. :evil:

 

[Kendall]

more like lost confidence in themselves. I believe ramos has had a part in that though, I mean bringing in players like Gilberto and dropping Lennon is ludicrous.

 

[yanno]

more like lost confidence in themselves. I believe ramos has had a part in that though, I mean bringing in players like Gilberto and dropping Lennon is ludicrous.

We were told (thru ITK) that Ramos would impose a style of play in pre-season training. But I see no signs that the players get what they're meant to be doing.

 

[NickHSpurs]

I have

 

[Black]

me too

 

[joey55]

Zokora didn't have a marker today. He literally had acres of space. Yet, love him or hate him, we can all agree that Zokora isn't the most likely to make something happen if he has time on the ball. He made about 5 or 6 runs. I'm not blaming him as that isn't his game. But, surely at half time a passing player like Modric of the Hudd should have been brought on to take advantage of the time the DM was getting on the ball. I'm not Zokora bashing, as he could have stayed on and played where either JJ or O'hara were and one of those 2 gone off. But, we clearly should have had a more creative player taking advantage of the deeper space we had due to having a spare man.

Tactically I thought we did everything we could to help Pomopey win today.

 

[chileanspursfan]

Gilberto has to be the worst LB/LW/ Left gap filling in the history of the club and the Brazilian national squad. A beach player.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Maybe Ramos has lost confidence in himself, because his starting line-ups are just bizarre. Agree Joey that we were tactically set up to lose to Pompey. I'm happy for us to play a 4-3-3 but that really isn't the way to do it. I can not think of one good reason why Ramos would start Gilberto over Lennon. Also Jenas, well if there is ever a frustrating player it is him. Maybe it's me watching to much Barca playing a 4-3-3 with players like Iniesta, Xavi and Gudjonsson in midfield and I'm expecting too much from what should be the most attacking of our 3 midfielders.

 

[yanno]

Zokora didn't have a marker today. He literally had acres of space. Yet, love him or hate him, we can all agree that Zokora isn't the most likely to make something happen if he has time on the ball. He made about 5 or 6 runs. I'm not blaming him as that isn't his game. But, surely at half time a passing player like Modric of the Hudd should have been brought on to take advantage of the time the DM was getting on the ball. I'm not Zokora bashing, as he could have stayed on and played where either JJ or O'hara were and one of those 2 gone off. But, we clearly should have had a more creative player taking advantage of the deeper space we had due to having a spare man.

Tactically I thought we did everything we could to help Pomopey win today.

I agree. In the IRC I was screaming for us to put Modric on.

We needed a playmaker, and Juande left Luka on the bench. I'm completely mystified. :razz:

As I said a few days ago, Zoko should cut out the forward runs and just play like Poulsen at Sevilla. Screen, protect the defence and pass the ball - immediately - to our playmaker. Unfortunately, our playmaker watched the entire game from the bench.

 

[bubble07]

We just need a play a 4 4 2 formation week in week out.

GOMES
HUTTON WOODGATE KING BALE
BENTLEY ZOKORA MODRIC GIOVANI
PAVLYUCHENKO BENT
​

In January just buy 2, not 22 but 2 players. A top class centre back for King and a top class DM for Zokora

PAVLYUCHENKO CAN NOT PLAY UPFRONT BY HIMSELF - HE HAS NO PACE WHATSOEVER. BENT HAS THE PACE BUT NOT THE TOUCH SO BOTH HAVE TO PLAY TOGETHER FOR US TO SCORE

plus i don't know how much more I can defend Jenas. He offered nothing positive

 

[yanno]

Maybe Ramos has lost confidence in himself, because his starting line-ups are just bizarre. Agree Joey that we were tactically set up to lose to Pompey. I'm happy for us to play a 4-3-3 but that really isn't the way to do it. I can not think of one good reason why Ramos would start Gilberto over Lennon. Also Jenas, well if there is ever a frustrating player it is him. Maybe it's me watching to much Barca playing a 4-3-3 with players like Iniesta, Xavi and Gudjonsson in midfield and I'm expecting too much from what should be the most attacking of our 3 midfielders.

The balance of our CM 3 is wrong. Chavski have a holder (Mikel playing the Makalele role), a playmaker (Deco), and a box-to-boxer (Fat Frank). We could have Zoko (or O'Hara) screening, Modric playmaking, and JJ making the forward runs. Instead, JJ was deeper than O'Hara for much of the game. I can't remember a single forward run from him - which is ridiculous in that formation.

Before the match, I said I was worried by our lack of pace in wide areas - Gilberto & Bentley make Brian the Snail look like Linford Christie. This meant we would be solid, but couldn't counterattack at pace.

If we'd started Modric for O'Hara, and Lennon or Gio for Gilberto, at least I might have understood our gameplan. As it was, Ramos got what he deserved - one game closer to the sack.

 

[Wsussexspur]

I was thinking exactly that today! Im slowly starting too!

 

[tommo84]

I've very nearly had it with Ramos. I appreciate that a defeat at Portsmouth is, in itself, not a terrible thing, but as some have mentioned we seem to have no real direction about our play. We don't know what formation we're playing from one game to the next and we have even less idea about what players will be starting. Lennon should have started today, without question. In our last 3 Prem games we've had much of the ball and created nothing. Our 4 goals this season have been an own goal, and 3 goals which have relied on the ball deflecting in our favour either to the feet of Jenas, Bent or in the bottom corner.

On the tube last week after the Wigan game I commented to one guy that I think the only reason more fans haven't yet turned on Ramos is because we're all sick of being labelled "fickle" by the media and other fans. In truth, fans of any other club would be properly on Ramos' back after the way we have performed since his arrival.

I'm not gonna call for his head YET, but that is largely due to there being no decent candidates to replace him and the fact that his record prior to managing us was very very impressive. But so far I have seen nothing to convince me that things are likely to improve under Ramos to the extent that we are entitled to demand. My conclusion is this:

IF in our next 3 games (Wisla Krakow, Hull, Stoke) we progress in Europe and pick up our long-awaited 1st league win, then we should give him the full season to show some progress. BUT, if we fail to achieve either of these objectives then we are clearly headed for a relegation battle and his record at Spurs so far does not convince me that such a battle would be won with Ramos at the helm.

So he's got 3 games before I officially join the Juande OUT brigade, but for the next 3 games, as ever, I'll cling on to the optimism of others that we will get better.

 

[Partizan]

I agree. In the IRC I was screaming for us to put Modric on.

We needed a playmaker, and Juande left Luka on the bench. I'm completely mystified. :razz:

As I said a few days ago, Zoko should cut out the forward runs and just play like Poulsen at Sevilla. Screen, protect the defence and pass the ball - immediately - to our playmaker. Unfortunately, our playmaker watched the entire game from the bench.

well I'm sure he would minimize he forward runs if we looked like creating anything so I don't really blame him for trying that. Desperate needs require desperate measures.

 

[george01268]

We need a couple of seasons in the championship to learn how to graft.

 

[Jonboy]

Good post Tommo84, I totally agree.
I must also praise our great away support today.
But its not looking good Lennon and Bent should of both started today in a 4-4-2, if Im honest Im getting worried

 

[Rupstoh]

I've very nearly had it with Ramos. I appreciate that a defeat at Portsmouth is, in itself, not a terrible thing, but as some have mentioned we seem to have no real direction about our play. We don't know what formation we're playing from one game to the next and we have even less idea about what players will be starting. Lennon should have started today, without question. In our last 3 Prem games we've had much of the ball and created nothing. Our 4 goals this season have been an own goal, and 3 goals which have relied on the ball deflecting in our favour either to the feet of Jenas, Bent or in the bottom corner.

On the tube last week after the Wigan game I commented to one guy that I think the only reason more fans haven't yet turned on Ramos is because we're all sick of being labelled "fickle" by the media and other fans. In truth, fans of any other club would be properly on Ramos' back after the way we have performed since his arrival.

I'm not gonna call for his head YET, but that is largely due to there being no decent candidates to replace him and the fact that his record prior to managing us was very very impressive. But so far I have seen nothing to convince me that things are likely to improve under Ramos to the extent that we are entitled to demand. My conclusion is this:

IF in our next 3 games (Wisla Krakow, Hull, Stoke) we progress in Europe and pick up our long-awaited 1st league win, then we should give him the full season to show some progress. BUT, if we fail to achieve either of these objectives then we are clearly headed for a relegation battle and his record at Spurs so far does not convince me that such a battle would be won with Ramos at the helm.

So he's got 3 games before I officially join the Juande OUT brigade, but for the next 3 games, as ever, I'll cling on to the optimism of others that we will get better.

I've said it before.

Hoddle.

 

[joey55]

I've very nearly had it with Ramos. I appreciate that a defeat at Portsmouth is, in itself, not a terrible thing, but as some have mentioned we seem to have no real direction about our play. We don't know what formation we're playing from one game to the next and we have even less idea about what players will be starting. Lennon should have started today, without question. In our last 3 Prem games we've had much of the ball and created nothing. Our 4 goals this season have been an own goal, and 3 goals which have relied on the ball deflecting in our favour either to the feet of Jenas, Bent or in the bottom corner.

On the tube last week after the Wigan game I commented to one guy that I think the only reason more fans haven't yet turned on Ramos is because we're all sick of being labelled "fickle" by the media and other fans. In truth, fans of any other club would be properly on Ramos' back after the way we have performed since his arrival.

I'm not gonna call for his head YET, but that is largely due to there being no decent candidates to replace him and the fact that his record prior to managing us was very very impressive. But so far I have seen nothing to convince me that things are likely to improve under Ramos to the extent that we are entitled to demand. My conclusion is this:

IF in our next 3 games (Wisla Krakow, Hull, Stoke) we progress in Europe and pick up our long-awaited 1st league win, then we should give him the full season to show some progress. BUT, if we fail to achieve either of these objectives then we are clearly headed for a relegation battle and his record at Spurs so far does not convince me that such a battle would be won with Ramos at the helm.

So he's got 3 games before I officially join the Juande OUT brigade, but for the next 3 games, as ever, I'll cling on to the optimism of others that we will get better.

Also, they are judgng him on what he did in another country with a different team. He's got a worse record than Pleat or Gross and they are 2 of the least respected mangers in the modern era (unfairly I think). Yet he's got the lesser record with an infinitley better squad. There is no way Pleat would have done this badly with that squad of players. Ramos has had 33 games and got 41 points. In Pleaty's last stint as coach, he got 41 pts but in 32 games. And the squad of players was fairly shit.

In terms of points relative to the quality of players at the mangers disposal, I think Ramos so far has to rate as the worst Spurs Prem coach since Ossie. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if statistically he was the worst since Ossie.

I've no doubt we'll turn things round as we have so much quality. But that doesn't tell us too much about the quality of coaching.

 

[yanno]

well I'm sure he would minimize he forward runs if we looked like creating anything so I don't really blame him for trying that. Desperate needs require desperate measures.

But Zoko's forward runs never (well - perhaps once a season) produce an end product. In a non-sexual sense, they're the ultimate cock-tease: all foreplay and no action. We all know he'll either shoot and miss, shoot and hit the GK, pass to the opposition, or fall over and claim he was fouled.

Modric was bought to provide us with attacking flair. I'm content for Zoko to hold, destroy, win the ball and pass it to our £15 million playmaker. Unfortunately, Modric didn't even make it on to the pitch.

 

[Rupstoh]

Personally, I blame Kemsley.