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fishhhandaricecake

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A very good player playing badly.

I want Bentancour there. That first half against Villa he was majestic at dictating play.
Yea I like that shout a lot, give biss some time on the bench, Bentancur at 6 mabye with Sarr and Lo Celso/Kulu but I suppose for Arsenal Maddison needs to start 🤷‍♂️
 

sidford

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Bissouma gives off Adebayor, Kaboul, Assou-Ekotto, Aurier and Ndombele vibes… has the talent but not the mindset. There shouldn’t be any place in Ange’s squad for players with a lax attitude.
That post could be interpreted in a very bad way to be honest
 

Ghost Hardware

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Ederson isn’t a DM, he’s an 8. We’d have the same issue with him we have with Bissouma imo.

We need a proper defensive 6 who is also good on the ball.

We need a player in the mould of prime Wanyama in the 16/17 season. He literally sat in front of the defence, read everything defensively and broke up play constantly whilst still being part of our build up. It’s no wonder we only conceded 26 goals that season with him at his best at DM.
Whilst I agree with you I’m not sure Ange is looking for a pure 6 tbh, look at the players we have been linked to Ederson, Fofana, Zubimendi, Gallagher etc. None of them are classic anchors, a lot of them play in a double pivot and in general despite being defensive minded also have more CM qualities. I mean despite his stats I’m not sure Gallagher even qualifies as a defensive minded player at all, at least Ederson, Fofana and Zubimendi will tend to sit deeper.

Zubimendi is probably the only one of those that really sets up at the base of a CM 3 but his skill set is distinctly not that of a physical destroyer. Quite the opposite in fact.

Given our targets it really seems a Wanyma type anchor isn’t what Ange wants in our midfield. Time will tell who we end up getting but it seems to me Ange is after a more dynamic midfield across the three. It can work but If that is what he wants then a lot of balancing needs to be done.

For example I feel one of the reasons Biss has been getting so exposed of late is partially down to Maddison’s defensive work rate. He was never that strong defensively but I feel he put in a lot more work into that side of the game in the first half of the season. Now he is pretty much anonymous when out of possession. In order to field a more transient DM you need all three of your CM’s to put in a defensive shift. This is one of the reasons I think in some ways Gio suits our midfield better than Maddison at present as he has better defensive characteristics.

Added to that I also feel the FB’s have been a lot less defensively robust of late. They don’t track runs as well as they did in the first half of the season and are more often caught out of position than they used to be. I think that is largely down to them being targeted tactically by opposition managers which results in a complete lack of control in the back line. Too often then not we get caught with our pants down praying the speed of VDV can cover whilst everyone scrambles back into position. This is an unsustainable situation as we saw yesterday and will only serve to highlight individual weaknesses.

Yes Biss’s form has dropped off a cliff of late and he does need upgrading but in general I feel he has been a lot more defensively exposed due to these factors. It doesn’t make up for his own drop in form but I think it magnifies the problem quite significantly. You can tell he feels more nervous now and I’m sure our frailty across the back line plays heavy on his mind. He is playing well within himself at present.

I think there are tactical issues that need to be addressed in order to help the DM more in certain situations as even with a better DM I think he would still struggle. Maybe not as much as Biss but still.

A good DM is of equal importance as a winger in the upcoming window but Ange will also need to tactically adapt. As is our issues go beyond just slotting a better player into the DM slot.
 

TEESSIDE1

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I’m not sure that is fair on Biss and the players you mentioned all had different behaviours, Adebeyor caused some issues and we all know about Ndombele but Aurier, Benoit and Kaboul were all pretty good professionals so bit of an odd post tbh and aside from some slip ups earlier in the season I don’t think Biss has an attitude problem particularly at all, he’s worked really hard to get back from a serious injury last season, he seems to me to be trying every match and he’s just a bit off form lately for whatever reason also likely still recovering from malaria.

Sorry but bit of an odd post tbh.

Benoit said he hated playing football, it was just an easy living for him.

Aurier was nuts.

Kaboul was part of the trouble makers who I can’t remember the manager at the time, had to get rid of.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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Whilst I agree with you I’m not sure Ange is looking for a pure 6 tbh, look at the players we have been linked to Ederson, Fofana, Zubimendi, Gallagher etc. None of them are classic anchors, a lot of them play in a double pivot and in general despite being defensive minded also have more CM qualities. I mean despite his stats I’m not sure Gallagher even qualifies as a defensive minded player at all, at least Ederson, Fofana and Zubimendi will tend to sit deeper.

Zubimendi is probably the only one of those that really sets up at the base of a CM 3 but his skill set is distinctly not that of a physical destroyer. Quite the opposite in fact.

Given our targets it really seems a Wanyma type anchor isn’t what Ange wants in our midfield. Time will tell who we end up getting but it seems to me Ange is after a more dynamic midfield across the three. It can work but If that is what he wants then a lot of balancing needs to be done.

For example I feel one of the reasons Biss has been getting so exposed of late is partially down to Maddison’s defensive work rate. He was never that strong defensively but I feel he put in a lot more work into that side of the game in the first half of the season. Now he is pretty much anonymous when out of possession. In order to field a more transient DM you need all three of your CM’s to put in a defensive shift. This is one of the reasons I think in some ways Gio suits our midfield better than Maddison at present as he has better defensive characteristics.

Added to that I also feel the FB’s have been a lot less defensively robust of late. They don’t track runs as well as they did in the first half of the season and are more often caught out of position than they used to be. I think that is largely down to them being targeted tactically by opposition managers which results in a complete lack of control in the back line. Too often then not we get caught with our pants down praying the speed of VDV can cover whilst everyone scrambles back into position. This is an unsustainable situation as we saw yesterday and will only serve to highlight individual weaknesses.

Yes Biss’s form has dropped off a cliff of late and he does need upgrading but in general I feel he has been a lot more defensively exposed due to these factors. It doesn’t make up for his own drop in form but I think it magnifies the problem quite significantly. You can tell he feels more nervous now and I’m sure our frailty across the back line plays heavy on his mind. He is playing well within himself at present.

I think there are tactical issues that need to be addressed in order to help the DM more in certain situations as even with a better DM I think he would still struggle. Maybe not as much as Biss but still.

A good DM is of equal importance as a winger in the upcoming window but Ange will also need to tactically adapt. As is our issues go beyond just slotting a better player into the DM slot.

Good points mate.

Personally I do think Ange simply has to change our rest defence shape from 2-3 to 3-2. It will significantly improve how we defend counter attacks imo.

I think that’s the biggest tactical tweak he needs to make.

Completely agree on Maddison. He’s now playing exactly like the player I didn’t rate at Leicester and didn’t want at Spurs. Half assing it around the pitch, anonymous work rate and not actually doing much with the ball.
 

DannyNZ

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We haven’t played well largely because we’ve been found out. Has nothing to do with Bissouma.
I don’t think Bissouma has played with the freedom, swagger or energy he showed in that early season spell prior to his suspension. Having said that the same could be said about Maddison.
 

Ghost Hardware

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Good points mate.

Personally I do think Ange simply has to change our rest defence shape from 2-3 to 3-2. It will significantly improve how we defend counter attacks imo.

I think that’s the biggest tactical tweak he needs to make.

Completely agree on Maddison. He’s now playing exactly like the player I didn’t rate at Leicester and didn’t want at Spurs. Half assing it around the pitch, anonymous work rate and not actually doing much with the ball.
Yeah completely agree bud, getting one of the FB’s to tuck in would give us far more stability going forward.
It’s a logical move so hopefully he makes it. It would also allow us to play two more aggressive CM’s on occasion which is something I think we would certainly benefit from against teams that sit deep.
 

TEESSIDE1

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You give off racist vibes

Stop trying to make an issue of a purely football comment. For your reference - example of issues with said players are below.

No one should have to make a comment re various players and have to insert a disclaimer to not upset people who want to twist what was said or see something that isn’t there.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/sunderlands-younes-kaboul-officially-most-6480687.amp

https://www.football365.com/news/kaboul-accuses-pochettino-of-disrespecting-him

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2010/may/01/benoit-assou-ekotto-tottenham-hotspur

https://www.goal.com/en/news/he-wou...e-of-lazy-adebayor/11vj58mpvrvsy1oj21b8sa06ei

https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...is-saint-germain-serge-aurier-pitiful-chelsea
 

dontcallme

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Stop trying to make an issue of a purely football comment. For your reference - example of issues with said players are below.

No one should have to make a comment re various players and have to insert a disclaimer to not upset people who want to twist what was said or see something that isn’t there.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/sunderlands-younes-kaboul-officially-most-6480687.amp

https://www.football365.com/news/kaboul-accuses-pochettino-of-disrespecting-him

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2010/may/01/benoit-assou-ekotto-tottenham-hotspur

https://www.goal.com/en/news/he-wou...e-of-lazy-adebayor/11vj58mpvrvsy1oj21b8sa06ei

https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...is-saint-germain-serge-aurier-pitiful-chelsea
The problem with your post is Adebayor, Kaboul, BAE and Aurier all have very different personalities and you just lumped them all intogether.

Not saying you're racist, just think it's a very lazy view.
 

TEESSIDE1

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The problem with your post is Adebayor, Kaboul, BAE and Aurier all have very different personalities and you just lumped them all intogether.

Not saying you're racist, just think it's a very lazy view.

I’ve posted a reply with media reports of their attitude problems.

I’ve been a member on here circa 20 years and in that time I a long with many others have been around when the attitude of various players, good or bad have been discussed. These were the players that came to mind.

Whereas my posts in other threads highlight how my favourite/most highly rated current players are Van de Ven, Udogie, Porro and Sarr. My favourite Spurs player of all time is probably Ledley King, followed by big Erik Thorstvedt.
 

dontcallme

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I’ve posted a reply with media reports of their attitude problems.

I’ve been a member on here circa 20 years and in that time I a long with many others have been around when the attitude of various players, good or bad have been discussed. These were the players that came to mind.

Whereas my posts in other threads highlight how my favourite/most highly rated current players are Van de Ven, Udogie, Porro and Sarr. My favourite Spurs player of all time is probably Ledley King, followed by big Erik Thorstvedt.
Considering how well Kaboul and BAE performed for us over several seasons, I think dismissing them as simply players with a bad attitude is lazy and simplistic.

Poch wanted his players to have intensity, which is great, but some players like BAE perform better when relaxed.

It saddens me that some fans don't remember the good performances they gave us and just fall for a media depiction of them having bad attitudes.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Benoit said he hated playing football, it was just an easy living for him.

Aurier was nuts.

Kaboul was part of the trouble makers who I can’t remember the manager at the time, had to get rid of.
I see where you’re coming from although none of them really seem comparable to Biss imo, I don’t recall Harry really seeming to often have an issue with how Benny played/trained etc just as you say he didn’t love football whereas Bissouma loves football and loves spurs,

Kaboul did seem to be part of the ‘troublemaker’ group under Poch but he was also club captain at points and seemed to be quite a good player and trainer

Aurier was in great shape and worked very hard but just mistimed tackles regularly and had some off the field issues, Biss doesn’t seem like that.

Adebeyor tbh seemed like a bit of a handful again not really comparable to Biss at all

I just really don’t think Biss has much of an attitude problem, a tad hot headed at times perhaps which is common in combative centre midfielders but I think that he just is mostly a bit off form.

Quotes from Biss earlier in the season, don’t strike me of someone who has an attitude problem:
When asked how it felt to be back out on the pitch, the former Seagulls star said: “I’m really happy to be back, but sad because we didn’t win the game, and the result means everything.

“The last three months were not easy for me, but I worked really hard every day to come back stronger.

“I feel good physically and I will try to help the team how I can for the last two games.

“I’m ready to play and, if the coach needs me, I’m here to help my team-mates.”


I don’t think your racist or that your post should be interpreted that way but I do think that comparing Biss to all of those players was wide of the mark especially because they’re all very different in terms of their attitude and personalities etc.
 
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