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Player Watch: Serge Aurier

Cornpattbuck

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He's either decent or liability & too often he's a liability. He was yesterday & we need someone far more consistent at FB.

I think you could apply that to most of our squad in the past year though...

Something went very wrong with the whole squad's mentality and decision making along the way.

Experienced guys like Toby and Jan should be controlling the back line and getting everyone to calm the fuck down, but instead we regularly descend into a panicked group of strangers rather than a defensive unit.

Going to take time for Mourinho to sort out, and it's strange it happened at all considering building the defensive unit was one of Poch's main strengths in his early days with us. Hey ho.
 
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Primativ

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Primativ I'm afraid I can't continue in this conversation with you any longer my friend. You seem like a decent enough fella but...come on man...now we are including disallowed goals and offsides SMH

? What the fuck. The fact that it was a disallowed goal because Pukki’s pubes were offside by a stupid VAR decision which in reality we were lucky to get away with, it doesn’t take away from the fact that Aurier dribbled the ball straight into a Norwich player and lost the ball, Norwich directly scored from Aurier’s mistake. What’s so hard to understand? Fucking hell man.
 

Eric_s

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Aurier needs to be tucked in because
1) Sanchez has come out for the ball. It is a basic element of coaching kids that if someone presses then he needs to have cover. It’s possible we could question Sanchez’ judgement but I’d have to rewatch it.
2) There is a giant gap in our defence and so regardless of the reason, Auriers first responsibility is to defend the goal. That is more important than being where a right back would be on a tactics board. Indeed the fact the ball is on the middle of the pitch makes this even more important.

Toby is in the right place there.
Aurier cannot cover the middle completely before the pass was played as it would leave the right attacker free. When the ball was played, he has too much ground to cover. It was not his fault. The mistake began a few phases before he came into the picture. Some of the blame put on Aurier only reveal the lack of understanding of the person watching.
 

LeParisien

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Aurier cannot cover the middle completely before the pass was played as it would leave the right attacker free. When the ball was played, he has too much ground to cover. It was not his fault. The mistake began a few phases before he came into the picture. Some of the blame put on Aurier only reveal the lack of understanding of the person watching.
In football you defend the goal in to out. Imagine a line going from the ball to the centre of the goal. That’s how you’re looking to set your defence. You need to defend the space first.

The reason for that is the central attacker is the most direct threat on goal. The attacker out past the RB is less of a threat because
1) The ball will take longer to reach him, during which time the defence can shift
2) once that attacker has the ball he is further from goal and has fewer passing options because he is less central.

However if the central attacker (Pukki) receives the ball then we have a dangerous situation like the one that actually transpired, leading to a goal.

Defenders don’t need to make all these judgements because they are coached to defend in to out, using the ball as a guide. Thé moment Sánchez comes out to try to win the ball, Aurier should be tucking in.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Aurier cannot cover the middle completely before the pass was played as it would leave the right attacker free. When the ball was played, he has too much ground to cover. It was not his fault. The mistake began a few phases before he came into the picture. Some of the blame put on Aurier only reveal the lack of understanding of the person watching.

Still needs to do better. Needs to read the danger quicker and react better. As soon as that ball goes into that man he needs to close the gap ASAP. He doesn’t

He has great pace, strength and ability. Unfortunately he switches off too much, makes silly errors and strolls when he should run

Real shame because he’s got all the tools physically but he’s nowhere near reliable or solid enough mentally
 

LeParisien

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Still needs to do better. Needs to read the danger quicker and react better. As soon as that ball goes into that man he needs to close the gap ASAP. He doesn’t

He has great pace, strength and ability. Unfortunately he switches off too much, makes silly errors and strolls when he should run

Real shame because he’s got all the tools physically but he’s nowhere near reliable or solid enough mentally
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You’ve accepted the fact he needed to be preoccupied with the man at the very top of the screen (by the score) and not their key striker, Pukki.

This is doubly frustrating because we know from Mourinho that at half time they spoke about the main threat coming from Pukki. But actually no matter who was in what position, that central player is who Aurier should have been covering. It’s so fucking obvious!!
 

NEVILLEB

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Primativ I'm afraid I can't continue in this conversation with you any longer my friend. You seem like a decent enough fella but...come on man...now we are including disallowed goals and offsides SMH

I understand you like him but you can’t fool everyone from what they’ve seen with their own eyes.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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He sadly can't defend well enough and he doesn't create enough. So all in all quite pointless as a full back
He can defend reasonably well but not brilliantly, he makes too many mistakes, gives the ball away too often and doesn’t create enough for a modern progressive full back so yea we need to improve on him for sure.

max Aaron’s looks decent ...
 

cozzo

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I understand you like him but you can’t fool everyone from what they’ve seen with their own eyes.
I would like an improvement, but the continuous dragging of him for everything that is wrong with us is tedious. It’s happened with a few players through the ages. I guarantee that if we were to analyse the game we would find that other players were more at fault than Aurier.
 

Cornpattbuck

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He sadly can't defend well enough and he doesn't create enough. So all in all quite pointless as a full back

Yet, weirdly, there aren't many PL full backs who have got more assists than him other than the Liverpool lads (he's got the same numbers as Chilwell and Perreia at Leicester, for example).
 
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cozzo

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Yet, weirdly, there aren't many PL full backs who have got more assists than him other than the Liverpool lads.
His official stats totally contradict the common consensus in this thread. When you say something, then they mention the Liverpool full backs as being better.
 

dtxspurs

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His official stats totally contradict the common consensus in this thread. When you say something, then they mention the Liverpool full backs as being better.
I mean it doesn’t take fucking rocket science to make out that this guy isn’t very good.
 

allatsea

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His official stats totally contradict the common consensus in this thread. When you say something, then they mention the Liverpool full backs as being better.
Strangely I thought both the Liverpool fullbacks defensively had poor games yesterday. They are both outstanding going forward but good wide players seem able to go past them with ease.
 

Eric_s

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In football you defend the goal in to out. Imagine a line going from the ball to the centre of the goal. That’s how you’re looking to set your defence. You need to defend the space first.

The reason for that is the central attacker is the most direct threat on goal. The attacker out past the RB is less of a threat because
1) The ball will take longer to reach him, during which time the defence can shift
2) once that attacker has the ball he is further from goal and has fewer passing options because he is less central.

However if the central attacker (Pukki) receives the ball then we have a dangerous situation like the one that actually transpired, leading to a goal.

Defenders don’t need to make all these judgements because they are coached to defend in to out, using the ball as a guide. Thé moment Sánchez comes out to try to win the ball, Aurier should be tucking in.
The ball move faster than any player. If Aurier went to cover leaving the right attacker free, the ball will be pkated to the free player. If the free attacker went on to score you will blame Aurier for giving him a free run. In football, professional level, you don't just mark the attacker in the centre as an attacker is capable of scoring in all position facing the goal. That is why defence is a team effort and CM need to cover for defender as you cannot allow attackers space to attack the goal.
 
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