Player Watch Player Watch: Richarlison

[ultimateloner]

Would rather play Son through the middle and shell out for another top wide player if we don’t plan on buying another CF.

The problem with this is Son wont occupy CBs like Richy does. He doesn't have the physicality to threaten CBs.
This physicality is important if you want to play higher up the pitch.
I don't think it's a clear-cut answer whether Richy or Son should play CF; there are trade-offs that are difficult to weigh.

 

[Tarricko]

I doubt Harry Kane would have scored that game,

Writing him off is ridiculous, but tbh I think Kane scores at least one of those two shots Richi had.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Could somebody clever do me a favor I want to see the distance richarlison covered yesterday vs Kane last season.

Then I would like to compare Kyogo at Celtic vs both

Also like to see amount of high end sprints he done.

As I've got a really weird suspicion that Ange was happy for Kane to go knowing he couldn't physically press like he needs

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Brentford played with a Back 10 and his teammates were always at least 5 miles away at all times!

I wasn’t mad keen on the way his head dropped when he didn’t score but I think he’s coming in to be the main man after a fairly shitty season.

Patience and perseverance needed I think.

Agree, willing to give him time, he showed in that pre season game that he is perfectly capable of scoring if given the right service but needs a bit of time and confidence as our main man in this new system before we can start to judge him.

I think he’ll fare better against Man.U rather than Brentford’s back 10.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I’m sure many of you have played football and tbh the level is irrelevant, the point is whether you’re Sunday league or premier league, it always takes players a few games to get fully up to speed and ‘match fit’ and to find their rhythm and confidence at the start of a season, Richy will be just the same.

It’s a totally new system, he was away to a deep low block of 10 players, he has a lot of new team mates, it’s the first time for us in the PL that he’s been regarded as our main man and picked as our main striker so a lot of pressure and he’s not fully fit.

Now I’m not saying he will definitely be a success or score the amount of goals we want and need him to but 1 game away to Brentford in a new system with new teammates is far too soon to judge ANY player never mind a player playing in such a high profile key position.

 

[Goobers]

I’m sure many of you have played football and tbh the level is irrelevant, the point is whether you’re Sunday league or premier league, it always takes players a few games to get fully up to speed and ‘match fit’ and to find their rhythm and confidence at the start of a season, Richy will be just the same.

It’s a totally new system, he was away to a deep low block of 10 players, he has a lot of new team mates, it’s the first time for us in the PL that he’s been regarded as our main man and picked as our main striker so a lot of pressure and he’s not fully fit.

Now I’m not saying he will definitely be a success or score the amount of goals we want and need him to but 1 game away to Brentford in a new system with new teammates is far too soon to judge ANY player never mind a player playing in such a high profile key position.

Yeah agreed.
Also I have seen enough of Richy over the last ? 4 years in England to know just what a handful he is, how much better a team player he is than people give him credit for and also that is very skilful. We know he is unlikely going to get 20 plus goals regularly as he has never really done that before .
I think playing in a three with a support act like Madders and others will help him.
I agree I am not sure he is going to be the answer for us but I do really like him and really hope so.

 

[SUIYHA]

This feels incredibly harsh: you’re not going to find many forwards with better than a 1 in 2 record at international level. Benzema, Aguero, Lautaro Martinez all have worse records than Richy.

The point being that people use his position in the Brazil side as a reason why he's up to leading the line with us. If we had a Neymar and Vinicius to play alongside him then it might work, but we don't.

Am all for being patient with players in new systems etc but when someone has never been a prolific goalscorer in their entire career and has never shown anything above an average level of technical ability then I don't know why people suddenly expect that to change. He could potentially get 10-15 if for us if he starts every week but then unless Son turns his poor form around and Kulusevski massively steps up then that won't be anywhere near enough.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Thought the MOTD2 Shay Given analysis of Richy in his first game was fair enough really.

Highlighting some of his good hold up play etc saying he had it tough against the deep back 5, that needs some time, that he’s a confidence player but that there is a question mark over him, he could’ve finished one of his 3 chances and that we need to bring in another striker to at least compete with him.

Agree with all of that and quite a fair analysis imo.

 

[Push & Run]

I’m sure many of you have played football and tbh the level is irrelevant, the point is whether you’re Sunday league or premier league, it always takes players a few games to get fully up to speed and ‘match fit’ and to find their rhythm and confidence at the start of a season, Richy will be just the same.

It’s a totally new system, he was away to a deep low block of 10 players, he has a lot of new team mates, it’s the first time for us in the PL that he’s been regarded as our main man and picked as our main striker so a lot of pressure and he’s not fully fit.

Now I’m not saying he will definitely be a success or score the amount of goals we want and need him to but 1 game away to Brentford in a new system with new teammates is far too soon to judge ANY player never mind a player playing in such a high profile key position.

Totally right, I would add to that by saying wait until xmas before negativity and give all players and manager the chance to impress. However I will add one positive note that is what a breath of fresh air - a straight talking manager and players passing and running forwards! What a joy to behold after 3 years of purgatory. I will now sit back and await the abuse from our regular eloquent aficionados. COYS

 

[lobob8]

Sorry for the unnecessary bump but I keep seeing people taking the piss out of Richy including some of our own fans and I just wanna say that there isn't a player I want to see succeed more this year than him. Shut up the haters and the doubters and bang in the goals we know he's capable of getting. Fully behind our #9. Think he's gonna have a great partnership with our new #10.

 

[ItsBoris]

The point being that people use his position in the Brazil side as a reason why he's up to leading the line with us. If we had a Neymar and Vinicius to play alongside him then it might work, but we don't.

Am all for being patient with players in new systems etc but when someone has never been a prolific goalscorer in their entire career and has never shown anything above an average level of technical ability then I don't know why people suddenly expect that to change. He could potentially get 10-15 if for us if he starts every week but then unless Son turns his poor form around and Kulusevski massively steps up then that won't be anywhere near enough.

Maybe that illustrates exactly the point though, what the system might be missing is higher quality wingers rather than a new CF. I think the idea is to have a pacy CF to get on the end of balls into the box and create space for other players and thats basically what Richarlison does.

 

[kent brockman]

Maybe that illustrates exactly the point though, what the system might be missing is higher quality wingers rather than a new CF. I think the idea is to have a pacy CF to get on the end of balls into the box and create space for other players and thats basically what Richarlison does.

Even if we need better suited wingers, we still need a clinical CF.
Rich has 49 PL goals in 201 games, although tbf most of those games have been for Watford/Everton.
Question is if he is capable of stepping up by leading the line at a club like Spurs.
The jury’s out IMO…

 

[Goobers]

Even if we need better suited wingers, we still need a clinical CF.
Rich has 49 PL goals in 201 games, although tbf most of those games have been for Watford/Everton.
Question is if he is capable of stepping up by leading the line at a club like Spurs.
The jury’s out IMO…

Good post and great points. Yes he is very capable of leading the line for us. And if you watch him he does everything that we would want him to do tactically. He has never been seriously prolific and in my opinion will never get north of 20 goals a season in the PL ( see Gabriel Jesus ) so the question is can we supplement goals from elsewhere on the pitch which is what, in my opinion, we need to to because we ain't signing another Harry.

 

[whitechina]

Though I felt sorry for him I'm also wondering why some Saudi club don't want Brazil's number 9 for a bargain £100.

What?
100 pounds?
I can even afford that.
But still don't want to spend my own money.

 

[amathews3416]

I just think Richy does so many small things that fans don’t see or appreciate. Perfect example is our second goal. Richy runs back to challenge the defender on the clearance, which forces defender into poor clearance and we are able to regain possession in dangerous area that led to the build up and goal.

 

[Goobers]

I just think Richy does so many small things that fans don’t see or appreciate. Perfect example is our second goal. Richy runs back to challenge the defender on the clearance, which forces defender into poor clearance and we are able to regain possession in dangerous area that led to the build up and goal.

I think you're right. From his first season we were given a tiny sample size of the type of player he is. We need to see more and as I have said I am not sure if he is going to solve all our problems but he will give the opposition a lot whilst he plays for us.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

The problem with this is Son wont occupy CBs like Richy does. He doesn't have the physicality to threaten CBs.
This physicality is important if you want to play higher up the pitch.
I don't think it's a clear-cut answer whether Richy or Son should play CF; there are trade-offs that are difficult to weigh.

Kyogo wasn't physical for Celtic and was perfect for them. Son may not be physical but he's got world class movement and will make much smarter and sharper runs off the CB's which will make them panic and create space.

I also trust Son a lot more to finish a chance that comes his way, he's a much better goalscorer than Richarlison.

 

[ultimateloner]

Kyogo wasn't physical for Celtic and was perfect for them. Son may not be physical but he's got world class movement and will make much smarter and sharper runs off the CB's which will make them panic and create space.

I also trust Son a lot more to finish a chance that comes his way, he's a much better goalscorer than Richarlison.

I agree with your assessment and think that Son will out-score Richy in the CF position for the reasons you stated.

However I can't see Son pressing CBs, playing back to goal, winning headers etc; all the sort of things a CF needs to do in Ange's system.
Son isn't going to clear a path for our AMs to shoot. He's a finisher not a feeder. His primary instinct is to score, not to be a decoy for someone else.

Therefore it's not obvious to me if Son is a no-brainer for CF over Richy. I can see the benefits if it's against a weaker opposition that lets us play. However few PL teams are categorically weaker than us.

 

[luRRka]

Antonio and callum Wilson been giving him shit again on their podcast thing. Richarlison allegedly told paqueta he won't be shaking Antonio's hand. Antonio and Wilson now saying they won't be speaking about a certain person but spurs need to sign a striker and that speaks volumes.

I want nothing more than richarlison to have a great season and silence them. Especially as Antonio is utter shit and Wilson has lost his place in the starting lineup

 

[spurmin]

Antonio and callum Wilson been giving him shit again on their podcast thing. Richarlison allegedly told paqueta he won't be shaking Antonio's hand. Antonio and Wilson now saying they won't be speaking about a certain person but spurs need to sign a striker and that speaks volumes.

I want nothing more than richarlison to have a great season and silence them. Especially as Antonio is utter shit and Wilson has lost his place in the starting lineup

Players slagging other players off in public. Just keep your opinions to yourselves. Never going to end well.