Ex-Player Watch Player Watch: Mousa Dembele

[dontcallme]

Sorry mate have to agree to disagree on this. Dembele could come in now after 18 months in China and still be a better player than the dross we have running around in our midfield.

There are numerous examples of Levy taking the money whenever possible not to mention a HUGE lack of investment in the first team sqaud which has seen us slide into mid table mediocrity.

The bloke tried to furlough staff after paying himself millions in bonus, was willing to sell the soul of the club for a 300 million super league payment. It is inexcusable money grabbing.

I don't think they have been bad owners and from a business/brand perspective we have clearly improved. Wouldn't dream of arguing against it.

I just don't see them taking us where I want/expect us to be. Always tugging on the apron strings of the real big clubs, champagne tastes orange juice pockets.

No problems with a disagreement.

But you're going off on a bit of a tangent here. I simply made the point, in the Dembele thread, that his form in his last period for us after injuries had gone downhill a lot.

He spoke publicly about struggling with the Prem and I don't believe for a second that we'd have won the CL if we'd kept him. The club were right to sell him at this time.

All your other points are just generic disagreements with the way Levy and ENIC run the club. I agree with some, disagree with others but as I was only talking about the sale of Dembele in the Dembele thread I fail to see the relevance.

 

[onthetwo]

I agree and it's interesting that so many are shouting his praises now but he was constantly being derided for not passing and dribbling round in circles with no end product. I do agree that on a good day he ripped up defences but for me they were few and far between. Interesting how short football fans memories are.

his end product and ripping up defences wasnt what he was there for. His only offensive job was to bring the ball out from the defenders up to the half way line where hed have full back options on either side as well as the likes of Eriksen and Dele in front if he wanted (but ill agree with you that he didnt pick the forward option enough). Watch Winks, PEH and Sissoko try and take the ball out and then turn back in Sundays game for evidence of why we're missing him so much. FWIW Tanguy has all the attributes to perform that role if the system is set up correctly for him but in an ideal world hed have a midfield partner capable of something similar (Skippy and PEH are capable IMO).

 

[hellava_tough]

Some players will inevitably move on, especially if they have a chance at more money and more success.

The problem wasn't selling Walker, the error was not adequately replacing him.

Still not Walker but Maybe having Trippier was one of our better back up options!

Our signings have been shocking, no one imo, has met the huge price tag payed.

Dembele, Eriksen, Jan, Trippier have not been successfully replaced. Adding the players that have dropped off. Poor Lon term management

This is where we need to better model Leicester, their signings have been planned, progressive and excellent.

Absolutely and it's a total joke that we had £50m quid burning a hole in our pocket and we couldn't find a decent replacement.

Sometimes I think our club is run by complete chancers!

 

[dontcallme]

Absolutely and it's a total joke that we had £50m quid burning a hole in our pocket and we couldn't find a decent replacement.

Sometimes I think our club is run by complete chancers!

You have to wonder what the thought process is behind our signings.

Aurier was highly rated but naturally there's always the chance the signing won't work out and he clearly couldn't get up and down the pitch as well as Walker.

It was either a case of we change the way our wing backs operate or look to a different target.

 

[hutchiniho]

You have to wonder what the thought process is behind our signings.

Aurier was highly rated but naturally there's always the chance the signing won't work out and he clearly couldn't get up and down the pitch as well as Walker.

It was either a case of we change the way our wing backs operate or look to a different target.

A perfect example of the lack of joined up thinking.
Difficult when we are changing managers.
But players should be targeted that fit the style and system we play.
I genuinely can’t fathom the lack of forward thinking also. Eriksen was winding down his contract, a replacement should have been identified with that in mind and signed before he left. rather than one year after.

we are in this position as a result of poor squad development Over the last 3/4 years.

Time to get our act together and importantly, get the thinking joined up, long term, with the new manager.

 

[hellava_tough]

You have to wonder what the thought process is behind our signings.

Aurier was highly rated but naturally there's always the chance the signing won't work out and he clearly couldn't get up and down the pitch as well as Walker.

It was either a case of we change the way our wing backs operate or look to a different target.

A perfect example of the lack of joined up thinking.
Difficult when we are changing managers.
But players should be targeted that fit the style and system we play.
I genuinely can’t fathom the lack of forward thinking also. Eriksen was winding down his contract, a replacement should have been identified with that in mind and signed before he left. rather than one year after.

we are in this position as a result of poor squad development Over the last 3/4 years.

Time to get our act together and importantly, get the thinking joined up, long term, with the new manager.

There has been plenty of young talent (and homegrown talent) on the market in that time too, but we couldn't seem to tap into it.

A club philosophy and proper football set-up is what's needed, so we can better transition between squads and managers as the years go by.

Sadly, I'm not confident things will change though.

 

[tottenhamlad]

No problems with a disagreement.

But you're going off on a bit of a tangent here. I simply made the point, in the Dembele thread, that his form in his last period for us after injuries had gone downhill a lot.

He spoke publicly about struggling with the Prem and I don't believe for a second that we'd have won the CL if we'd kept him. The club were right to sell him at this time.

All your other points are just generic disagreements with the way Levy and ENIC run the club. I agree with some, disagree with others but as I was only talking about the sale of Dembele in the Dembele thread I fail to see the relevance.

Fair point,

I am a bit riled up at the minute with Tottenham in general so finding it too easy to go off on one.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Cost us winning the Champs League selling him in the January.

Another wonderful decision by Levy & ENIC.

He wanted to leave because he wanted to go for a new challenge, and felt his body could no longer take the physical demands on the Premier League. As an outstanding servant to the club for 6 years, the club respected his wishes & allowed him to choose his own path.

Levy & ENIC may well be stupid when it's come to certain decisions, especially when it comes to recruitment. But Dembele leaving was not on them.

You sound like you'd rather the club ignored his wishes & allowed him to continue to slowly break down his body, while probably becoming a very unhappy player.

A rather selfish outlook, in my opinion, fuelled by your hatred for the clubs owners. The hatred I can understand, but ignoring the facts I can't.

Mousa Dembélé: Mauricio Pochettino’s training was so intense – I had to leave Tottenham

It was late in the evening on June 1 and Mousa Dembélé was settling down to support his old team. After a draining 2-2 draw with Hebei CFFC in the Chinese Super League, Dembélé had returned to his modern home in Guangzhou’s new town and set an alarm for 4am. Tottenham Hotspur, the club he represente

www.thetimes.co.uk

Mousa Dembele reveals why he decided to leave Spurs for a move to China

The midfielder made the move in January after six-and-a-half years with Tottenham Hotspur

www.football.london

 

[tottenhamlad]

He wanted to leave because he wanted to go for a new challenge, and felt his body could no longer take the physical demands on the Premier League. As an outstanding servant to the club for 6 years, the club respected his wishes & allowed him to choose his own path.

Levy & ENIC may well be stupid when it's come to certain decisions, especially when it comes to recruitment. But Dembele leaving was not on them.

You sound like you'd rather the club ignored his wishes & allowed him to continue to slowly break down his body, while probably becoming a very unhappy player.

A rather selfish outlook, in my opinion, fuelled by your hatred for the clubs owners. The hatred I can understand, but ignoring the facts I can't.

Mousa Dembélé: Mauricio Pochettino’s training was so intense – I had to leave Tottenham

It was late in the evening on June 1 and Mousa Dembélé was settling down to support his old team. After a draining 2-2 draw with Hebei CFFC in the Chinese Super League, Dembélé had returned to his modern home in Guangzhou’s new town and set an alarm for 4am. Tottenham Hotspur, the club he represente

www.thetimes.co.uk

Mousa Dembele reveals why he decided to leave Spurs for a move to China

The midfielder made the move in January after six-and-a-half years with Tottenham Hotspur

www.football.london

I am sorry but you should not be letting your best players leave in January.

Like it or not I think it cost us and I am sure plenty of people agree with me. I think Trippier even came out and said it cost us in his opinion.

Manage him better until the summer, Ledley King managed for years. It isn't rocket science.

It is taking a good offer of 11 million as you are scared it won't be there in the summer.

Business before football.

 

[DiVaio]

Cost us winning the Champs League selling him in the January.

Another wonderful decision by Levy & ENIC.

lol

 

[dtxspurs]

The idea he would have made much difference for us in the UCL final feels like a big stretch to me. He was injured for the last 3 months he was with us, he was constantly injured while playing meaning not at his best anymore.

I personally was fine to move past him after the 17/18 FA Cup Semi Final where Pogba just tossed him off the ball. I think people are thinking differently about the Dembele of his final year here than was actually the case. I was often frustrated and thought he was an upgradeable spot towards the end.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I am sorry but you should not be letting your best players leave in January.

Like it or not I think it cost us and I am sure plenty of people agree with me. I think Trippier even came out and said it cost us in his opinion.

Manage him better until the summer, Ledley King managed for years. It isn't rocket science.

It is taking a good offer of 11 million as you are scared it won't be there in the summer.

Business before football.

At the point of being sold, our manager had only played Dembele 10 times all season in the league, of which he started 7, and Dembele had not made an appearance due to an ankle injury in over two months. Those few times he did play he liked a shadow of himself.

 

[DiVaio]

I am sorry but you should not be letting your best players leave in January.

Like it or not I think it cost us and I am sure plenty of people agree with me. I think Trippier even came out and said it cost us in his opinion.

Manage him better until the summer, Ledley King managed for years. It isn't rocket science.

It is taking a good offer of 11 million as you are scared it won't be there in the summer.

Business before football.

We sold him for 5 mil, it's not business before football.

Using Trippier as an example Trippier who later said the club didn't let him have an operation and that's why he was struggling and in reality was the worst player in the club regularly starting in 18/19, then is moaning about club allowing Dembele to leave when he wanted to leave and was struggling fitness-wise for PL demands...

 

[dontcallme]

At the point of being sold, our manager had only played Dembele 10 times all season in the league, of which he started 7, and Dembele had not made an appearance due to an ankle injury in over two months. Those few times he did play he liked a shadow of himself.

Yeah but the only reason we sold him is because we wanted £11m apparently.

 

[mumfordspur]

I am sorry but you should not be letting your best players leave in January.

Like it or not I think it cost us and I am sure plenty of people agree with me. I think Trippier even came out and said it cost us in his opinion.

Manage him better until the summer, Ledley King managed for years. It isn't rocket science.

It is taking a good offer of 11 million as you are scared it won't be there in the summer.

Business before football.

Or not replacing him.
He was struggling with injury thats not in dispute it is how long that massive hole was not filled.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I am sorry but you should not be letting your best players leave in January.

Like it or not I think it cost us and I am sure plenty of people agree with me. I think Trippier even came out and said it cost us in his opinion.

Manage him better until the summer, Ledley King managed for years. It isn't rocket science.

It is taking a good offer of 11 million as you are scared it won't be there in the summer.

Business before football.

People have already responded, so I've no need to say anything, they've covered it all.

We clearly see things differently, but I've respected your opinion & (previously) only responded with the truth. No neg ratings, just conversation.

Peace! ✌

 

[Coneilly]

Put it this way: If you told both Poch and Dembele in January that we would end up making the CL final, I'm sure he would have stayed till the summer.

 

[mumfordspur]

Also as someone said earlier you have to try & be fair and I distinctly remember
fans moaning about Moose from memory it was "gets ball/spins 180 or 360/passes sideways"
Just like I remember nasty turds calling Harry a mouthbreather (not on here I must add).

 

[mumfordspur]

p.s. only player I saw put him down was Pogba
I was shocked

 

[tottenhamlad]

It is fine, just an opinion.

For me if he had been fit for the final it would have helped.

Whether it be 5 million or 11 million i really don't care i feel we should have held on to him until the summer.