Player Watch: Ivan Perisic

[C1w8]

Speed for a WB is great if it helps them get goals and assists, and defensively to recover from mistakes but he isn't making many of them. Less than probably any of our defenders. Didn't look slow or bad defensively against Hakimi in 3rd place match at World Cup either. Last year Arsenal and Villa were overloading our left side when Sessegnon played there who isn't any slower than Porro who we are interested in for example.

And 1v1 defending isn't even that important in this system, Moses, Hakimi, Cuadrado, Alonso weren't exactly stellar defenders. Zinchenko isn't fast either and some said he's better than Perisic. He wasn't brought for his pace here, he lost his acceleration 3 years ago or so, even at 2018 Wolrd Cup he didn't have pace he had at Euro Cup 2 years earlier. It could be a decade before we find another LWB that can actually cross at elite level.

The only rapid WB in the league that's doing well this season is Dalot, who took a while to find form and he's having a worse season than Perisic . Perisic and Trippier are probably the most consistent ones and also some of the slowest ones.

The way you've measured his performance at least that you've put forward are the following:

i) is he doing worse than the rest of our defenders? I agree not particularly
ii) is sessegnon or other current alternatives we have a better bet? I agree not particularly, maybe depending on matchup
ii) is he doing better than his peers across the league? I cant say myself with strong confidence yes or no just not having watched enough of the others to judge properly.

But these are all measures of he is doing well "vs" a comparative who's not doing well, which is more a judgement on them than a thumbs up for Perisic.

Not saying he's our biggest problem by any stretch but given how important wing backs are to the system i also dont think he's performed at the level which we're aiming for, and to say he's been transformative definitely not, but again that's just imo.

 

[C1w8]

I thought he was directly to blame for Brentford's first the other week IIRC. Was caught miles up field and never got remotely close to the goalscorer.

Also been plenty of games where he's not been great defensively or has had dodgy moments. Not terrible by any means, but it's clear he's much better going forward than backwards, with his fading pace becoming more of an issue over time.

As I said in my post, his assists have been brilliant. No complaints there - and that alone makes him worth the fee and the spot in the team.

Just feel like he's not been at his best in many other areas of his game...and I suppose that's natural given his age and the intensity of the league.

His lack of recovery really didnt help with that goal. You dont even need to search out a replay angle to see this as it's captured in the main feed. We lose possession on the other side of the pitch and he doesnt move. It's only until the second touch (a flick on to the player that eventually makes the cross) that he starts making his way back to defend, by which point its way too late to even put a bit of pressure on let alone get a challenge in.

Not one to say that one mistake means someones a bad player, and i do appreciate his crossing, but we do also need more from the position.

 

[Stav]

WAT?

Not lived up to expectations? What exactly were you expecting?

From someone so experienced and talented, just more consistency and more performances than we've seen that are at least a 7 out of 10. Just a bit more than putting in a great cross every now and then.

The assist numbers are now looking pretty good, but they're not all coming off the back of great performances, your 8 and 9s out of 10. They've generally been one of the few decent moments in that game.

I'm not doing him down. I like him a lot, and he's a model pro, someone you need in the squad.. As I say, he's our best option at LWB. It's just he should be, like most of the team this season, performing at a consistently higher level than he has been.

 

[BorjeSpurs]

Clear to see from the last few posts here that Perisic contributions this season has been undervalued. The story of the season has been that Spurs have been getting more points than what their performances have deserved. The main reason for that? Set pieces. We've scored 12 goals in all competitions from set pieces (pens excluded) which is about 25% of all our goals. Most of the credit for that has gone to Gianni Vio but the reason that we've scored the majority of corner kicks from the right hand side is that Perisic delivery is much better than Son's delivery on the left hand side. Perisic have even assisted with his right foot and head from corners this season.

The reason why his 'one trick stepover' is so successful is that he is so good with both feet that he could go either way and cross it equally well on both sides. Either he goes left as he did vs Palace in the last game, or he can go on to his right like he did against Marseille (H) for Richarlison's goal.

If you are concerned about his recovery pace then we have one of the most exciting and athletic young LWB's already signed for next year in Udogie. His defensive work is also over criticised here, he was definitely not directly to blame for Brentford's first goal. When Toney wins the header against Tanganga he is line with our other wingback and instead it's Bissouma who here is 1m away from Jensen who doesn't follow his runner.

 

[djhotspur]

Clear to see from the last few posts here that Perisic contributions this season has been undervalued. The story of the season has been that Spurs have been getting more points than what their performances have deserved. The main reason for that? Set pieces. We've scored 12 goals in all competitions from set pieces (pens excluded) which is about 25% of all our goals. Most of the credit for that has gone to Gianni Vio but the reason that we've scored the majority of corner kicks from the right hand side is that Perisic delivery is much better than Son's delivery on the left hand side. Perisic have even assisted with his right foot and head from corners this season.

The reason why his 'one trick stepover' is so successful is that he is so good with both feet that he could go either way and cross it equally well on both sides. Either he goes left as he did vs Palace in the last game, or he can go on to his right like he did against Marseille (H) for Richarlison's goal.

If you are concerned about his recovery pace then we have one of the most exciting and athletic young LWB's already signed for next year in Udogie. His defensive work is also over criticised here, he was definitely not directly to blame for Brentford's first goal. When Toney wins the header against Tanganga he is line with our other wingback and instead it's Bissouma who here is 1m away from Jensen who doesn't follow his runner.

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God how did we concede from there. Awful

 

[C1w8]

Clear to see from the last few posts here that Perisic contributions this season has been undervalued. The story of the season has been that Spurs have been getting more points than what their performances have deserved. The main reason for that? Set pieces. We've scored 12 goals in all competitions from set pieces (pens excluded) which is about 25% of all our goals. Most of the credit for that has gone to Gianni Vio but the reason that we've scored the majority of corner kicks from the right hand side is that Perisic delivery is much better than Son's delivery on the left hand side. Perisic have even assisted with his right foot and head from corners this season.

The reason why his 'one trick stepover' is so successful is that he is so good with both feet that he could go either way and cross it equally well on both sides. Either he goes left as he did vs Palace in the last game, or he can go on to his right like he did against Marseille (H) for Richarlison's goal.

If you are concerned about his recovery pace then we have one of the most exciting and athletic young LWB's already signed for next year in Udogie. His defensive work is also over criticised here, he was definitely not directly to blame for Brentford's first goal. When Toney wins the header against Tanganga he is line with our other wingback and instead it's Bissouma who here is 1m away from Jensen who doesn't follow his runner.

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Agreed that he's definitely not the only person at fault for this goal, but we're talking about Perisic here and he should have been in a better position by the time the ball the gets into our box on our left. You can already see in the picture that yes he's in line with doherty and bissouma, but they're both already on their bikes. Perisic is stood on his heels banking on us winning the header/dealing with this without needing him. In the end Bissouma has raced back but lost the man and that's an error. Perisic is nowhere to be seen, also an error.

Yes the story is that we've gotten more points than we deserve given our poor performances, but perisic is contributing to those performances too is the point, positively with the assists/setpieces, and negatively eg like above.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

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Damn it, it won't play for me!!!






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[djhotspur]

Agreed that he's definitely not the only person at fault for this goal, but we're talking about Perisic here and he should have been in a better position by the time the ball the gets into our box on our left. You can already see in the picture that yes he's in line with doherty and bissouma, but they're both already on their bikes. Perisic is stood on his heels banking on us winning the header/dealing with this without needing him. In the end Bissouma has raced back but lost the man and that's an error. Perisic is nowhere to be seen, also an error.

Yes the story is that we've gotten more points than we deserve given our poor performances, but perisic is contributing to those performances too is the point, positively with the assists/setpieces, and negatively eg like above.

Not sure I agree. If I was a wing back and a huge part of my job is attacking, I would assess that situation and see that there is no real danger and we have enough players there to comfortably cover the situation and remain in a decent attacking position. There is more than enough cover, it’s just shite defending that meant we conceded

 

[C1w8]

Not sure I agree. If I was a wing back and a huge part of my job is attacking, I would assess that situation and see that there is no real danger and we have enough players there to comfortably cover the situation and remain in a decent attacking position. There is more than enough cover, it’s just shite defending that meant we conceded

Merit to your point but difference of opinion i guess, in a formation with three forwards and a midfield two, i dont really want my wing backs making the call to stay up field to make it 4 up top whilst being attacked. Had Bissouma followed his man and the play continued for a couple more passes rather than the goal, we'd then be exposed in the middle because we're missing a man with Bissouma being dragged out. Our wing backs need to be getting back on the cover as we should have three in a decent attacking position as a default.

 

[DiVaio]

He's so overrated

 

[agrdavidsfan]

At fault for all 3 goals soon as mahrez runs at him he’s shit one of the most overacted players we’ve got because of set pieces he’s awful

 

[G Ron]

Had a shocker tonight and should’ve buried that chance as well. Awful finish

 

[Boots22]

Even on a free he's been an abysmal signing

 

[h2005]

He’s been a dud. We got him when he was done.

 

[isaac94]

cant understand why we dont just play him lw like he does for croatia, clearly has a assist and cross on him

 

[agrdavidsfan]

cant understand why we dont just play him lw like he does for croatia, clearly has a assist and cross on him

He’s not good enough, he won’t ever get down the outside of a fullback as his pace has gone he needs the space of the being a lwb to be effective I called it at the start of the season I think he’s very very poor he be okay vs poor teams to break them down but not at the level we need

 

[isaac94]

He’s not good enough, he won’t ever get down the outside of a fullback as his pace has gone he needs the space of the being a lwb to be effective I called it at the start of the season I think he’s very very poor he be okay vs poor teams to break them down but not at the level we need

i mean he is our top assist maker, so clearly has something to his game which can be used in different areas

 

[agrdavidsfan]

He’s not as good as people think can’t defend and is like a steam boat up and down in a game where most in his positions are speed boats

I’ve called if before if we are serious he’s the rotation option ha park the bus teams

 

[Yiddo100]

i mean he is our top assist maker, so clearly has something to his game which can be used in different areas

I think I read the other day, all bad one have been from set pieces ( may be mistaken though)

 

[bbunc]

He’s been a dud. We got him when he was done.

Yep. He’s been really bad outside a few decent set pieces. Really bad