Player Watch - Djed Spence - Genoa

[chelmyid]

The curious thing for me about Spence is actually Sessegnon.

he’s prepared to give Ryan the time he needs on the pitch however a different story with Spence, who from my limited knowledge looks like he has a raw set of tools very similar (if not dare I say it better?)

now - none of us know what goes on behind the scenes and what he is showing in training etc - but I’m pretty sure with the lack of talent we currently have at RWB it’s worth a punt.
For instance, why not Ivan at LWB and Spence at RWB if you want experience on at least one side?
To me, based on what we have seen that’s the strongest players we have.

The curious tale of Djed Spence continues…!

 

[Trix]

It’s especially sad because we used to be really good at it and bringing through and signing young talents is one of the major reasons we managed to break in and create the ‘Big 6’.

Walker, Rose, Bale, Lennon, Dele etc.

Now list all those that didn't make it that we bought. We had a few successes because we bought a lot. I'll agree we did get some phenomenal young players in and they did help us into the @big 6@ but they never managed to win anything, perhaps because there wasn't enough quality experience around them?

 

[bubble07]

Here you go, squire…

Sign this guy up

 

[GutBucket]

Still raw but you can see in that video that he had 2 or 3 players defending him at times, teams won't just ignore him and overload the other side of the pitch like with Royal. He actually causes problems, sometimes for himself, but having pace and dribbling on the flanks is so valuable.

 

[bubble07]

Needs game time to learn about his team mates and the patterns they play with.

Knowing when to overlap Deki, when to underlap, when to run with the ball to create space and when to run off the ball too.

He will pick this up much, much faster if he’s playing games regularly. He doesn’t have to start every match but you can’t tell me he shouldn’t be playing more matches and coming on as a sub in other matches.

He may not become top class but we will never know unless he plays and at least he actually tries to get forward like a wing back, has the raw tools and brings that pace and energy which we are sorely lacking.

Surely those patterns of play are being worked on in training and analysis. My only slight negative is will he take Kuluseskis space? Royal is so bad that he wouldn't even try to run with the ball which means he is just looking for a player to pass

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Now list all those that didn't make it that we bought. We had a few successes because we bought a lot. I'll agree we did get some phenomenal young players in and they did help us into the @big 6@ but they never managed to win anything, perhaps because there wasn't enough quality experience around them?

I haven’t said we don’t need experience. I’d happily bring a quality RWB in for example but the difference is I’d have Spence as the rotation option to learn from that player. That said they are barely any good RWB options out there as discussed in the transfer thread.

We do need some experience and I think we need to spend big on some prime players, Skriniar for example at 27 would be perfect for experience and quality.

But there’s no doubt we currently stifle young talent and don’t give them enough opportunities to develop.

 

[bubble07]

Still raw but you can see in that video that he had 2 or 3 players defending him at times, teams won't just ignore him and overload the other side of the pitch like with Royal. He actually causes problems, sometimes for himself, but having pace and dribbling on the flanks is so valuable.

Have we ever seen sessegnon run with the ball past 3 players? I know we haven't with Doherty and certainly haven't with royal unless you count running into players

 

[Trix]

Lloris
Romero Dier Lenglet
Doherty Bentancur Bissouma Perisic
Kulusrski Kane Richarlison

Surely those patterns of play are being worked on in training and analysis. My only slight negative is will he take Kuluseskis space?

I genuinely applaud the effort but perhaps it's time you just called him Kulu?

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Surely those patterns of play are being worked on in training and analysis. My only slight negative is will he take Kuluseskis space? Royal is so bad that he wouldn't even try to run with the ball which means he is just looking for a player to pass

Of course and the World Cup break will be brilliant for them to work together. I’d have them working very closely for weeks learning each other’s games and how to maximise each of their skills.

But you only really gain the instincts and learn properly from gametime in real match scenarios. There may be some teething problems while he learns but ultimately we will be a much better threat on that flank once they learn to play in tandem.

Spence actually made some really good underlapping runs for Forest, including the goal he scored against Leicester where he came inside and the inside forward held the width.

As they learn each other’s games and he gets more experience, Spence will find the right blend of when to overlap, when to underlap, when to lay it off quickly, when to take a man on, when to hold back etc.

Training only does so much, you need gametime to really develop.

 

[Trix]

Of course and the World Cup break will be brilliant for them to work together. I’d have them working very closely for weeks learning each other’s games and how to maximise each of their skills.

But you only really gain the instincts and learn properly from gametime in real match scenarios. There may be some teething problems while he learns but ultimately we will be a much better threat on that flank once they learn to play in tandem.

Spence actually made some really good underlapping runs for Forest, including the goal he scored against Leicester where he came inside and the inside forward held the width.

As they learn each other’s games and he gets more experience, Spence will find the right blend of when to overlap, when to underlap, when to lay it off quickly, when to take a man on, when to hold back etc.

Training only does so much, you need gametime to really develop.

We are looking at having a couple of friendlies so maybe we'll see.

 

[hughy]

Hopefully Conte saw enough last night to give him a start in the FA Cup. The 3rd round is only in 4 or 5 games time, so shouldn't have to wait too long.

I struggle to see where he could head on loan. Very few of the smaller PL teams play a back-5, and it would be a massive step in the wrong direction sending him to the Championship.

 

[bubble07]

I haven’t said we don’t need experience. I’d happily bring a quality RWB in for example but the difference is I’d have Spence as the rotation option to learn from that player. That said they are barely any good RWB options out there as discussed in the transfer thread.

We do need some experience and I think we need to spend big on some prime players, Skriniar for example at 27 would be perfect for experience and quality.

But there’s no doubt we currently stifle young talent and don’t give them enough opportunities to develop.

I've found the perfect one - Ridle Baku. German international that plays for Wolfberg. But a whole 4cm shorter than Emerson Royal

 

[ILS]

I haven’t said we don’t need experience. I’d happily bring a quality RWB in for example but the difference is I’d have Spence as the rotation option to learn from that player. That said they are barely any good RWB options out there as discussed in the transfer thread.

We do need some experience and I think we need to spend big on some prime players, Skriniar for example at 27 would be perfect for experience and quality.

But there’s no doubt we currently stifle young talent and don’t give them enough opportunities to develop.

All I hear on this forum is how we should bring an experience player in so players can learn from them in that specific position. Well it's worked wonders on the left flank this season! Sess has actually regressed since Perisic has came into the squad.

The problem comes when usually that experienced player has a different skillset to the young pretender. In regards to understanding the position , Conte coached Perisic how to play wing back, so why do we need Perisic to coach Sess and act as a mentor?

It's another footballing myth that fans like to spout.

I don't remember Walker and Rose requiring an experienced player in front of them to mature as players. It was, Are you good enough? and if so, take your chance when it comes and listen to your bloody coach.

 

[Time for Heroes]

Maybe Conte is right that he is a player who needs developing.

Answer these question numbnuts.

Do you think from what you have seen as a Spurs fan (unless you don't watch games), Emerson deserves to start at RWB over Spence?

Please give me reasons why if so, and don't give me crap saying Spence is not ready. Do you believe Spence can do any worse than Emerson? Don't answer on Contes behalf, answer as a Spurs fan from what you can see with your own fucking eyes.

 

[dontcallme]

Answer these question numbnuts.

Do you think from what you have seen as a Spurs fan (unless you don't watch games), Emerson deserves to start at RWB over Spence?

Please give me reasons why if so, and don't give me crap saying Spence is not ready. Do you believe Spence can do any worse than Emerson? Don't answer on Contes behalf, answer as a Spurs fan from what you can see with your own fucking eyes.

Conte has continuously said Spence is working hard on working on the tactical side to perform to the level needed to start in the Prem.

No manager just throws young players in before they are deemed ready even if fans like you think a first team player isn’t very good.

 

[Jamturk]

Answer these question numbnuts.

Do you think from what you have seen as a Spurs fan (unless you don't watch games), Emerson deserves to start at RWB over Spence?

Please give me reasons why if so, and don't give me crap saying Spence is not ready. Do you believe Spence can do any worse than Emerson? Don't answer on Contes behalf, answer as a Spurs fan from what you can see with your own fucking eyes.

Why does Royal get treated so differently to Sess and Spence, they are all around the same age. Just a year in it I think, it's very odd.

 

[dontcallme]

Why does Royal get treated so differently to Sess and Spence, they are all around the same age. Just a year in it I think, it's very odd.

There’s a difference between age and experience.

Emerson has played over 70 games in the top division in Spain plus 7 times at full international. Compared to Spence’s zero.

Bissouma took time to be implemented so I have no idea why fans are losing it so much over Spence.

 

[Ribble]

Why does Royal get treated so differently to Sess and Spence, they are all around the same age. Just a year in it I think, it's very odd.

I doubt Doherty being used so sparingly has been a tactical decision, which would mean Royal needing to play a lot more whilst Spence has been brought up to speed. I don't think it's been particularly beneficial to him playing so much either, mind. He's definitely stalled and regressed in comparison to the end of last season.

Hopefully Spence playing half an hour is an indicator that the coaching team think he's almost there now, much like how most of the other summer signings got bedded in with a few longer sub appearances before starting.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

This guy deserves a chance - we know he won't get any time on the weekend, and it'll just be annoying

 

[Ron Burgundy]

There’s a difference between age and experience.

Emerson has played over 70 games in the top division in Spain plus 7 times at full international. Compared to Spence’s zero.

Bissouma took time to be implemented so I have no idea why fans are losing it so much over Spence.

Surely is the answer not the players keeping them out?

In CM, we've got two of our best players, and Bissouma has been given time. At RWB we have a player starting that literally no one else - not Spurs fans, not pundits - feels is good enough.

If we had Cafu reborn there, no one would be saying a word, but it's pretty clear we don't