Player watch: Danny Rose

[jay2040]

What?!!!

So he's a millionaire, therefore more acceptable for him to be racially abused?

Are you on crack?

Not today!

If it was me and I felt like that in principle I'd change my job now! Why wait to endure more shit!

What would you do?

 

[jay2040]

What the fuck is wrong with people.

Never seen something so stupid in my life ??‍

I'm sure you have, when you last looked in the mirror!

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

I'm sure you have, when you last looked in the mirror!

Okay racist apologised ??

 

[Typical Spurs]

I'm sure you have, when you last looked in the mirror!

You know what....most people on here seem really decent.

I'm basing this opinion on the last 20 minutes so might be wrong...but you seem like a complete knob to be honest. Fellow spurs fan or not.

 

[rez9000]

I'm sure you have, when you last looked in the mirror!

I'm sorry Jay, but you're being foolish. The salary he is paid doesn't justify him taking any abuse, which is what your statement suggests, whether you meant it to or not.

To use your own comparison, if Rose worked in Tesco and was racially abused by a customer, the abuser would be open to potential prosecution. So his salary makes absolutely no difference.

 

[ClintEastwould]

You might want to read this
https://news.sky.com/story/england-...-enough-football-will-swallow-you-up-11417845

Love him

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Surely you factor the racist abuse into the salary you pick up. I'm sure he wouldn't experience the same abuse if working in Tesco but then the wages would not be the same!

Jesus fucking Christ. Get a grip.

 

[jay2040]

I'm sorry Jay, but you're being foolish. The salary he is paid doesn't justify him taking any abuse, which is what your statement suggests, whether you meant it to or not.

To use your own comparison, if Rose worked in Tesco and was racially abused by a customer, the abuser would be open to potential prosecution. So his salary makes absolutely no difference.

The point about Tesco was that he is less likely to suffer abuse as he does now. More the frequency than the legal implications. The abuse is a factor he has to consider as part of his job and either one accepts it or they don't. It is wrong and fucked up but that's the way the world is! I think

More than likely he earns more than the pricks in the stands and is more successful in life and has so much more so why not focus on that, the positives, and use the energy on the pitch by scoring and doing the biz on the pitch.

Also more often than not the same arseholes would not be chucking abuse at him if it's he has got an England shirt on!

 

[yankspurs]

Good for Danny. He is absolutely right. It is absolutely shameful that the FA, UEFA, & FIFA do absolutely fucking nothing about the rampant racism in the game. Especially the FA. Sterling is racially abused obsessively by a fucking media rag and by opposing fans. Chelsea repeatedly has racist incidents that are broadcasted about 4 or 5 times a year and those are the ones that are just reported. The FA is a fucking disgrace to not go after these organizations.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

The abuse is a factor he has to consider as part of his job and either one accepts it or they don't

So what you're saying is that Rose just has to accept and deal with the racism. Just think about that for a second.

 

[jay2040]

So what you're saying is that Rose just has to accept and deal with the racism. Just think about that for a second.

By accept I don't mean he has to bend over and take it, more so how you react to it.
I think Sterling has reacted in a different way to it that shuts the mother fuckers up- those in the stands as well as those in the media!

 

[THFCSPURS19]

By accept I don't mean he has to bend over and take it, more so how you react to it.
I think Sterling has reacted in a different way to it that shuts the mother fuckers up- those in the stands as well as those in the media!

I think Rose’s interview is powerful - it’s a footballer (in his prime years) saying they are so fed up with the authorities about racism that they’re now actively almost looking forward to retiring - not sure that’s been said before.

 

[Shadydan]

By accept I don't mean he has to bend over and take it, more so how you react to it.
I think Sterling has reacted in a different way to it that shuts the mother fuckers up- those in the stands as well as those in the media!

Everyone is different, that's what you need to understand. Not everyone can just merely brush off abuse based on skin colour regardless of what they're earning it doesn't work like that - he's still a human being with emotions at the end of the day.

I'm sorry but your post was fucking incredibly insensitive, idiotic and ignorant.

 

[Shadydan]

As a white man who doesn’t experience racism, I’m speaking from a position of privilege and possibly ignorance, but I really don’t understand Rose’s attitude at times. He’s experienced racism in the form of boos or chants from the crowd a couple of times in his career, and has received the unanimous support of every right thinking person in football in response.

Difficult to imagine Sterling, who has suffered far worse abuse and far more consistently throughout his career, come out with something like this. That lad is going from strength to strength in his career. Rose appears to be going in the opposite direction.

Rose has an attitude problem that goes far beyond any abuse he’s been subject to imho. There are very few people in the world who wouldn’t trade places with him given the chance.

Fucking hell, if you anyone wants an example of how incredibly detached someone is from reality then read this post, unbelievable. Mate you should have just left the top line as it is rather than attempt to speculate because you just look foolish.

 

[jay2040]

Everyone is different, that's what you need to understand. Not everyone can just merely brush off abuse based on skin colour regardless of what they're earning it doesn't work like that - he's still a human being with emotions at the end of the day.

I'm sorry but your post was fucking incredibly insensitive, idiotic and ignorant.

I have to agree with you buddy and let you know my inital post was based on a drunk read of the daily star article alone- so my bad ! Having read another version of the interview I can sense why the reaction to my inital post!

On a more positive note I'm proud of the fellow fans reaction to such a senseless post, and it surely would not have had the same reaction on a Chelsea forum!

 

[liewser]

Havent read/watched his interview but rose has been playing well recently, with an evident chip on his shoulder.

As someone who has to deal with racial abuse quite regularly from my fellow spurs fans (in a, its ok cos its just bants kinda way even though i dont know you but i excuse it cos i know you probably don't mean any harm kinda way), i can't imagine what its like actually getting racial abuse with a bit of venom.

Anyone who thinks rose needs to get a grip or something of that ilk has no idea.

 

[si_yidarmy]

Danny Rose is making a point that in the grand scheme of things, the punishment to teams/countries is simply not enough. Irrespective of his night out costs, the fundamental point is that there is a major issue still in society and in particular our game. If I heard racist abuse in or around me when watching a game I would happily report it even if it was one of our own fans. It is 2019, this should not even be a thing anymore, just like gender/anti-semitic etc. - the only way it will begin to stop is by putting extreme sanctions on countries teams and domestic teams when this sort of thing occurs - I will say though that FIFA etc.need to come out more to the public and in general to reinforce commitment to this cause. All very well making badges for managers to wear and occasional press releases and so on, but really it needs to be firmer and extreme in my opinion. There is the argument that if one person does this, why should others suffer for this person's poor actions, but actually I think now it has to happen because everyone will stand taller and not stand for this kind of thing anymore. As Danny says.... enough is enough.

 

[rez9000]

The point about Tesco was that he is less likely to suffer abuse as he does now. More the frequency than the legal implications. The abuse is a factor he has to consider as part of his job and either one accepts it or they don't. It is wrong and fucked up but that's the way the world is! I think

More than likely he earns more than the pricks in the stands and is more successful in life and has so much more so why not focus on that, the positives, and use the energy on the pitch by scoring and doing the biz on the pitch.

Also more often than not the same arseholes would not be chucking abuse at him if it's he has got an England shirt on!

OK, let's look at that.

So non-white players all accept that racism happens. They get their heads down and play the game because they're paid lots of money.

How do we then actually get rid of racism?

And what about the offence the fans might suffer who don't get paid thousands a week and who just came to watch the game? And their children?

And where does abuse end? Could you assault a player because he was paid thousands of pounds a week? How do we guard against racism bleeding into other areas of life? How do we guard against other forms of abuse? Where is the line drawn? Could we argue that as women's football starts to get more prominent and women start to be paid more that it then becomes OK to cast sexist abuse at them? Could you then argue that it would be OK to rape a woman if she happened to be paid thousands of pounds a year?

Essentially, whether you mean it or not, your argument essentially says that people who are fortunate have less entitlement to feel negative about things just because they are fortunate in another aspect of their lives.

If that's the case, then a beggar would have the right to abuse you because you are more fortunate than him. Would you accept that argument?

EDIT: posted this after you made your other comment. I wasn't having a further dig.

 

[rez9000]

Fucking hell, if you anyone wants an example of how incredibly detached someone is from reality then read this post, unbelievable. Mate you should have just left the top line as it is rather than attempt to speculate because you just look foolish.

I think we should try and be a little more understanding. I don't know you @King of Otters , so this isn't directed at you, but when people make insensitive or ignorant (in the sense of not knowing something) comments, attacking them is not going to help them understand.

We have a major problem these days in that we want to slam people who may not know any better and condemn them from the off. Almost assuming that because they have said something distasteful, there is no explanation for it other than they are fundamentally bad people for believing something distasteful.

My family and I were the subject of racial abuse when I was growing up. We had burning bags of rubbish thrown at our door, bricks through our windows, intimidation on an almost daily basis. It got so bad, that the council moved us to escape from it. That fundamentally determined my political stance and made me staunchly opposed to discrimination in every form.

But I will not automatically condemn someone if they have racist beliefs. I give them a chance to see that they're beliefs are harmful and try to engage with them and convince them. Immediate condemnation does nothing but entrench a person's views because they feel under attack. You will never convince someone to change their beliefs by demeaning them.

It's ironic that being against racism requires a measure of empathy and yet so often we lack any empathy with those who might have racist views, when that is probably the most effective tool in getting them on board.

 

[Flashspur]

As a white man who doesn’t experience racism, I’m speaking from a position of privilege and possibly ignorance, but I really don’t understand Rose’s attitude at times. He’s experienced racism in the form of boos or chants from the crowd a couple of times in his career, and has received the unanimous support of every right thinking person in football in response.

Difficult to imagine Sterling, who has suffered far worse abuse and far more consistently throughout his career, come out with something like this. That lad is going from strength to strength in his career. Rose appears to be going in the opposite direction.

Rose has an attitude problem that goes far beyond any abuse he’s been subject to imho. There are very few people in the world who wouldn’t trade places with him given the chance.

Okay then