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gp13tot

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this is not one of 'those' threads.
who to sell. Who to buy. Fuck levy. Fuck enic. Poch in. Poch out. Go 442! Go 433! Its none of these.

watching spurs these days is pure frustration more often than not, and it seems regardless of the manager, the players or the system, 'classic' spurs make the same technical, tactical and mental errors and it infuriates me. Im sure it bothers most of us. I had a trial with a current premier league club many moons ago and maybe its the bitter 'failed footballer' in me but i find it staggering that such consistent ineptitude and mediocrity brings such adulation and wealth.

anyway, what i hope to see less of in future.

playing with back to goal - too many of our players have this as their default setting. Relying on a safe pass, rather than receiving it on the half turn and having the option to go both ways. Bentaleb doing this tonight allowed him to attack besiktas, feed Kane and assist our goal. Too many times we lose momentum and pass back, often under little pressure.

wasted throw ins - we have been hopeless at these forever. Worse than schoolboy level. One tonight went in and straight out again. Id love us to offer the thrower more options and think about.....

ball by the touchline - tonight was a great example. Often from a throw in, players were isolated and pressured into losing possession because we have nowhere to go with no out ball. We need a quick ball into the middle so we can open up the play

no 10 dropping beyond the dcm - Kane only did this twice that i can recall tonight, but we had less of the ball than many games we play. When eriksen and holtby before him do it they don't have the range of passing like vdv had to start attacks from there. Meaning if they play the ball square (often the case) they aren't able to receive a return in an advanced position or if it goes up to the striker they are often isolated and struggle to retain meaningful possession

floated square pass - this absolute winds me. Bentaleb is the current showpony doing too much of this for my liking. It takes too long to reach the target and has to be near perfect otherwise the full back is put under extreme pressure to control it and move it on quickly as the hangtime allows a quick press. Why not drill it to feet? Or better still, pass forward somebody!

underhit passes - not just Lennon, who seems to underhit or mishit everything. Too many times in recent seasons simple square or forward passes are underhit, losing possession or forcing the recipient into an awkward position to try and maintain possession. It also reduces the flow of any move we might to build. I haven't seen any team do this as often as us. Its embarrassing really for any half decent player.

Townsend to go outside more. Moreno sussed him, broke and scored. Besiktas had him taped. Everyone knows he is coming inside. If he goes outside too, the defenders wont be able to shut him down as quickly. Then if he does come inside it will be more effective.

so come on people, this is based on one pair of eyes. perhaps you agree or have other things that spurs teams consistently do that are ridiculous and counterproductive. Id like to think in not the only one who cannot understand the decisions these top professionals make on a far too regular basis.

thanks for reading!
 

mpickard2087

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Jun 13, 2008
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Completely agree. Complained about all of these (and more) on various occasions. Some people will say you are being pedantic but when you do literally 100's of little things poorly it leads to bigger problems and disjointed performances. Some of them are technical deficiencies, but some are due to lacking attention to detail tactically.
 

Lilbaz

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Add corners to the list. I can't remember the last time we looked like scoring from a corner.
 

jimmyh

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Sorry gp but I think it needs to be one of those threads, there has been no big revolution under Poch that everyone thought would happen, pressing high up the pitch, putting us on the front foot and attacking with flair and scoring more goals. None of this has happened.

At the start I was just hoping that we were going to be better to watch and look forward to seeing us play, but I am sorry to say this has not been the case.

I can honestly say I did not want Poch in and would have very much preffered FDB but was willing to be proved wrong. What I was looking for from him was his so called great man management skills to come to the fore and get some of the players busting a gut for him but this has been non-existent.

I know we have to look at Levy for not acquiring Pochs top targets but at the moment I am more inclined to be looking at him for picking the wrong for the managers job.

We are awful to watch, we are not creating any chances or showing any flair and I cant see Poch turning it round.

Is there anyone out there who can give me hope that we will finish higher than 8th or 9th this season because I just do not see it.
 

guy

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May 31, 2007
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Yep the shit throw ins are a cause of endless frustration.

All good points you make. All simple basics of the game that we just cannot do properly, it really is pathetic for a football club of THFC's stature.

Is there anyway to fix the issues other than by selling half the squad and replacing them with players with brains and who have the drive to put the effort in?

Was it Harry leaving that led us here, or was it the appointment of AVB?
 

dere911

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Aug 10, 2008
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We need better scouts thats for sure. 70% of our players just dont fit into our style of play esp paulinho who i think is lost cause. Townsend needs to go back to reserves and never play again he has an iq of a dog.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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Sorry gp but I think it needs to be one of those threads, there has been no big revolution under Poch that everyone thought would happen, pressing high up the pitch, putting us on the front foot and attacking with flair and scoring more goals. None of this has happened.

At the start I was just hoping that we were going to be better to watch and look forward to seeing us play, but I am sorry to say this has not been the case.

I can honestly say I did not want Poch in and would have very much preffered FDB but was willing to be proved wrong. What I was looking for from him was his so called great man management skills to come to the fore and get some of the players busting a gut for him but this has been non-existent.

I know we have to look at Levy for not acquiring Pochs top targets but at the moment I am more inclined to be looking at him for picking the wrong for the managers job.

We are awful to watch, we are not creating any chances or showing any flair and I cant see Poch turning it round.

Is there anyone out there who can give me hope that we will finish higher than 8th or 9th this season because I just do not see it.

If you think that FDB would have come in and made an iota of difference you are absolutely off your head. We have problems with our players that will take time to iron out, doesn't matter who is managing the team and you have to be prepared to wait it out I'm afraid.

No one has any patience anymore and none more so than our fans it's really pissing me off.
 

HotspurFC1950

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Feb 6, 2011
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this is not one of 'those' threads.
who to sell. Who to buy. Fuck levy. Fuck enic. Poch in. Poch out. Go 442! Go 433! Its none of these.

watching spurs these days is pure frustration more often than not, and it seems regardless of the manager, the players or the system, 'classic' spurs make the same technical, tactical and mental errors and it infuriates me. Im sure it bothers most of us. I had a trial with a current premier league club many moons ago and maybe its the bitter 'failed footballer' in me but i find it staggering that such consistent ineptitude and mediocrity brings such adulation and wealth.

anyway, what i hope to see less of in future.

playing with back to goal - too many of our players have this as their default setting. Relying on a safe pass, rather than receiving it on the half turn and having the option to go both ways. Bentaleb doing this tonight allowed him to attack besiktas, feed Kane and assist our goal. Too many times we lose momentum and pass back, often under little pressure.

wasted throw ins - we have been hopeless at these forever. Worse than schoolboy level. One tonight went in and straight out again. Id love us to offer the thrower more options and think about.....

ball by the touchline - tonight was a great example. Often from a throw in, players were isolated and pressured into losing possession because we have nowhere to go with no out ball. We need a quick ball into the middle so we can open up the play

no 10 dropping beyond the dcm - Kane only did this twice that i can recall tonight, but we had less of the ball than many games we play. When eriksen and holtby before him do it they don't have the range of passing like vdv had to start attacks from there. Meaning if they play the ball square (often the case) they aren't able to receive a return in an advanced position or if it goes up to the striker they are often isolated and struggle to retain meaningful possession

floated square pass - this absolute winds me. Bentaleb is the current showpony doing too much of this for my liking. It takes too long to reach the target and has to be near perfect otherwise the full back is put under extreme pressure to control it and move it on quickly as the hangtime allows a quick press. Why not drill it to feet? Or better still, pass forward somebody!

underhit passes - not just Lennon, who seems to underhit or mishit everything. Too many times in recent seasons simple square or forward passes are underhit, losing possession or forcing the recipient into an awkward position to try and maintain possession. It also reduces the flow of any move we might to build. I haven't seen any team do this as often as us. Its embarrassing really for any half decent player.

Townsend to go outside more. Moreno sussed him, broke and scored. Besiktas had him taped. Everyone knows he is coming inside. If he goes outside too, the defenders wont be able to shut him down as quickly. Then if he does come inside it will be more effective.

so come on people, this is based on one pair of eyes. perhaps you agree or have other things that spurs teams consistently do that are ridiculous and counterproductive. Id like to think in not the only one who cannot understand the decisions these top professionals make on a far too regular basis.

thanks for reading!


Good stuff. These overpaid players are a joke. How does this nonsense keep happening?
 

HotspurFC1950

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Feb 6, 2011
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We need better scouts thats for sure. 70% of our players just dont fit into our style of play esp paulinho who i think is lost cause. Townsend needs to go back to reserves and never play again he has an iq of a dog.


Surely not putting dogs as low down as Townsend.
 

Metalhead

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Nov 24, 2013
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Sorry gp but I think it needs to be one of those threads, there has been no big revolution under Poch that everyone thought would happen, pressing high up the pitch, putting us on the front foot and attacking with flair and scoring more goals. None of this has happened.

At the start I was just hoping that we were going to be better to watch and look forward to seeing us play, but I am sorry to say this has not been the case.

I can honestly say I did not want Poch in and would have very much preffered FDB but was willing to be proved wrong. What I was looking for from him was his so called great man management skills to come to the fore and get some of the players busting a gut for him but this has been non-existent.

I know we have to look at Levy for not acquiring Pochs top targets but at the moment I am more inclined to be looking at him for picking the wrong for the managers job.

We are awful to watch, we are not creating any chances or showing any flair and I cant see Poch turning it round.

Is there anyone out there who can give me hope that we will finish higher than 8th or 9th this season because I just do not see it.
Waaaaaaaaaaay too early to be judging. The problem is that because you have already been honest and said that you would have preferred FDB, it looks to me like you are naturally going to have wanted to have been proved right that FDB was the better choice. Personally, I can't see FDB having made much difference in this space of time.
 

Reclamation Project

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It is far too early to be writing off Poch - we should give him a few months before judging what progress we've made if any.

I only hope he can create a 'team' to compensate for the fact that we have bought badly and do not have as talented a squad as we've had in recent years.

As a club we are at tricky point in our evolution. We sold our 2 world class players and are building a new stadium. We can't just solve the issue by throwing money at it.

I think we may have to lower expectations slightly until the new stadium is built. I would like to see us shrink the squad down and use our own kids to fill out the squad. I would like to see us go back to the strategy of buying young players with big potential, players who can pass and players with pace.

We've had a good few years competing for top 4, and perhaps with Liverpool's and Man Utd's difficulties 4th place is open game. But the reality is we have a frustrating period ahead because we have too many average players. (Bad Franco!)
 
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