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[YiddoTom90]

Allegri and soon as before someone else gets him. Tuchel and simeone far crys

 

[mrlilywhite]

The brave thing is to be loyal.

This is a horrible period, we have to hope we come out the other side.

No, the brave thing is to have some foresight and see that this train wreck of a season is only going to get worse if we persist with Poch. Loyalty? There is no place for loyalty when so much is at stake! People talking like we owe Poch something? We owe him nothing. It's been said about how disillusioned the players are with the whole system, including the training. Poch has had a good amount of time to change it but hasn't and that is because he is too limited in his approach.

I have said it so much that it grates on me now. The whole system from the training, to the physicality and intensity of the counter-press and in-game tactics, are the fundamental problems - it has all started from this and Poch's inability to change, look at other systems and re-invent himself is/has had a detrimental effect on the squad.

Have you ever asked why the hell do we get so many seemingly little, niggly injuries more often than not or have you ever wondered why it takes new players longer to integrate into the squad? You can't play in this system unless you are Poch fit. It's too bloody demanding! Sod all the talk about formations - the formations are not the problem here at all! It is the system that is the problem, you know the system that we all loved and raved about for so long? Is it any wonder that Poch has virtually stopped using the counter-press? Is it any wonder why we don't keep running till the 90th minute anymore or showing that level of intensity anymore? The counter-press system is Poch's system and he doesn't have any others. That is his identity, his philosophy and a system that he has shown time and time again that when forced to go without it (as in now) he isn't tactically clever or too stubborn to look at other workable systems, at least for the interim until he gets the type of player that suit the system and have the right tools to operate and function naturally in his system.

You take this away from Poch and he is standard at best and this is the root of all the problems. It doesn't matter if Eriksen wants to go, or Rose does or if the Belgians haven't signed new contracts - it's a shit excuse to blame terrible form on and it's disingenuous for so many to use it as an excuse for Poch's shortcomings. Just like you can't blame Levy or ENIC either - what a lot don't really get is that you can't just chuck any player into his system and bingo it works. You need total commitment, physical attributes across the board and high levels of natural fitness just to compete for a squad place, let alone all the extra things needed to really blossom, like Kane, etc. The thing is at the time when Poch really wanted those players, we didn't or couldn't get those players in for one reason or another.

Everything stems from the system that poch can't use, because the players that have done it for so long, were a lot more designed for the role through natural fitness, yet natural fitness deteriorates as we age and we have a much older squad now than when Poch was first here. It really is a very demanding way of playing football. Take Aurier as a point in question. Typically on the face of it and on paper Aurier has all the elements needed to play the poch way, but his mentality is terrible and that massively negates his other, highly useful skills.

It would be so simple if Poch was flexible and was good as a tactician - he could get us out of this shitstorm, but the reality is that he doesn't know how to go from A to B.

Edit - meant to add this in. A worthwhile read about Poch's system vs Klopps read about the system that Poch uses and tell me how much do we play of that system now - https://talkingtottenhamtactics.wor...difference-between-spurs-liverpool/#more-4311

 

[Donki]

How the fuck anyone can say Jose, did you watch him with United? He bought players, didn’t play them then complained constantly about a lack of funds. It would take a massive change or personality, ego and playing style for him to be a success with us I’m afraid.

After me saying this we will get him and his personality will change, his ego will go and he will have us playing like Pep and I will look like a knob.

 

[King Ledley 26]

no bloody thanks hes an idiot

By idiot you mean serial winner who won the Champions League with Porto and Inter with far inferior squads who's won trophies at every club he's been at? Then yes he's a idiot

 

[GioW]

How the fuck anyone can say Jose, did you watch him with United? He bought players, didn’t play them then complained constantly about a lack of funds. It would take a massive change or personality, ego and playing style for him to be a success with us I’m afraid.

After me saying this we will get him and his personality will change, his ego will go and he will have us playing like Pep and I will look like a knob.

Mourinho would be a massive risk, but one with potentially massive rewards.

 

[MindOverMatter]

The thing with Jose is that he is a proven winner. He’s done it with Porto, Chelsea, Madrid, Chelsea again and then Man U... he may be a big risk but may be what we need.

I love poch and don’t want him to go at all as I love him, It’s just if levy gets rid or he leaves

 

[Dazzazzad]

Don't want Jose anywhere near the club. Can't stand him. Classless, plays the most boring football on the planet and the game has passed him by.

 

[Liamyid28]

All I know is Iam sick to death of four year projects. If poch goes get mourinho and give me some on them trophy things people talk about.

 

[Gb160]

The thing with Jose is that he is a proven winner. He’s done it with Porto, Chelsea, Madrid, Chelsea again and then Man U... he may be a big risk but may be what we need.

I love poch and don’t want him to go at all as I love him, It’s just if levy gets rid or he leaves ❤

And you can throw Inter Milan in the middle of that lot as well.

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

I'd go for Ten Hag, with BMJ holding his hand (Director of Football??) and taking some of the pressure off him.
He still loves us and we love him.

I'd even take BMJ as an interim, if needed.

Though I'd prefer Poch sort his sh*t out.

 

[scat1620]

The brave thing is to be loyal.

This is a horrible period, we have to hope we come out the other side.

Being brave isn't necessarily the same thing as being successful.

 

[arunspurs]

Don't want Jose anywhere near the club. Can't stand him. Classless, plays the most boring football on the planet and the game has passed him by.

Jose plays boring football is not entirely accurate. Jose does let the hand brake of when he has a capable forward line. At RM, his team did outscore Barca 121 to 114 to lift the title in 2011/12 & also scored 100+ when they came 2nd next season. He does play conservative football when he doesn't have a proper forward line,so he has to compromise. In both his 2nd Chesea stint & United stint, his forward options was no better than us. When he doesn't have better options than rivals, he plays a bit conservative and goes for the marginal gains.

In his first season at Chelsea, he won the title scoring 72 goals & conceding just 15 goals. Arsenal came 2nd (12 points behind) scoring 87 goals & conceding 36...

The state we are in , having conceded 21 goals in 10 games (PL & CL) this season, I would actually be delighted if a manager like him goes conservative. Going back to my previous point - we do have a enviable forward line in Kane, Son, Moura (&Dele, if he in form) which can play dynamically well and score freely. With such a side with Mourinho in charge, hand brake will be off as long as we become tighter at the back.

With Mourinho, IMO, question is not about his style. It will be his man management ability. This club is long beaten with the stick of being losers. If Jose can change it in 2 years, I dont care about style. I dont see him requiring to invest more. We have a good forward option and decent squad. We need reinforcements in backline which may not be as expensive as buying forward options.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Those who think Poch deserves to find and fight his way out of this hole, are totally justified in that belief. He’s certainly earned the right to turn this ship around.
But there are two keystone concerns that make it hard to back him... 1. Looking objectively at results and performance since the turn of the year, you see a team on a steep decline. Showing little signs of improvement. 2. The players don’t seem to believe in him or each other. This is rather pathetic of them, yes. But that doesn’t make it any less true. It’s sad. It’s unfair. It’s selfish. It’s unprofessional. But it is what it is.
He would need to bed in at least five new players in January to reinvigorate himself and the team. Plus get rid of four or five who are acting like little bitches. That likelihood is nominal at best.
So, there is only one option... he needs to be replaced by a coach that will instantly command the respect and deference of the players. Someone that will both light a fire under their butts and also refill their empty confidence.

That only leaves a couple of ‘realistic’ options; Mourinho or Allegri. I’m not sure which would be better. I just know that I’m not as anti Mourinho as some are. I really believe if he came here, we’d likely see a reinvigorated manager, determined to prove a point. He is also a man, with a long track record of success. The sort of manager the players would immediately respond to... as they cannot question his methods, as he’s won all there is to win. And they haven’t won shit. So should keep their traps shut and trust that he could bring them back from the dead.

 

[WiganSpur]

Allegri - the standout candidate, no question. Record of trophies, out of a job, learning English and waiting for a phone call.

Apparently he has his eye on the United job. Less of a rebuild to do here though imo.

 

[stov]

Premature...

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Dyche.

Will sort that defence right out. For those worried about attack, Wood and Barnes been decent for me on FPL this season.

When Brexit kicks in, we’ll be laughing


(Nagelsmann for me, when it comes to it)

 

[arunspurs]

Dyche.

Will sort that defence right out. For those worried about attack, Wood and Barnes been decent for me on FPL this season.

When Brexit kicks in, we’ll be laughing


(Nagelsmann for me, when it comes to it)

I would be delighted if we get Nagelsmann but thats not going to happen though. He waited for a year at Hoffenheim to land the Leipzig job. He has time on his hands, he is not going to give up the new job for 2 more years.

 

[scat1620]

I want Mourinho, but I'm pretty convinced that we'll end up with a Howe/Farke-type manager i.e. one that Levy doesn't have to worry might answer back to him.

 

[rabbikeane]

I would be delighted if we get Nagelsmann but thats not going to happen though. He waited for a year at Hoffenheim to land the Leipzig job. He has time on his hands, he is not going to give up the new job for 2 more years.

There's a few guys who'd be obvious candidates that have just started in a new job, hence unlikely to be available. Nagelmann, Marco Rose, Brendan Rodgers

I want Mourinho, but I'm pretty convinced that we'll end up with a Howe/Farke-type manager i.e. one that Levy doesn't have to worry might answer back to him.

If we go that route we'll need a strong Director of Football, like Klinsmann.
Need to avoid the situation we've been in where a manager/head coach claim no impact on contract and transfers, while we struggle to especially off load players. Can't have someone like Howe without transfer responsibility and then Levy with just half an eye on the task.

 

[Zummerzet Spur]

Maureen is poison and can’t see working within Levy’s financial constraints.