Next Manager Watch
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I like Ange....would be a punt though.
That said, Conte and Mourinho were sure things and look how that turned out.
Fans are funny though, those who are so anti Ange atm are likely to be blowing up in 12 months when he has taken "mid level" prem team to success claiming we have no foresight yada yada yada
That said, Conte and Mourinho were sure things and look how that turned out.
Fans are funny though, those who are so anti Ange atm are likely to be blowing up in 12 months when he has taken "mid level" prem team to success claiming we have no foresight yada yada yada
Ghost Hardware
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Considering how long this farce has been going on there really isn’t any excuse not to have got a DoF by now. From everything I’ve read Munn isn’t a football expert.
Sorry, not comparable to the Premier League.
and European Super Cup? You mean one game?
wrd
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My understanding of Nagelsmann is that he is somebody who wants to control every aspect he possibly can. Before I elaborate I want to be clear, when I say micromanage, I don't think it's always a bad thing, it to me is just a way of doing things and if done correctly can have excellent results, if done poorly can be awful. My understanding though is that he likes to micromanage every single element that he can.
On the board side, I think that control would be like what players come and go, what team he is building, other elements and with Spurs I just think, with Daniel you have this rigid person who likes control and we've seen how hiring a rigid person who likes control has gone working with Daniel, they're like magnets, same energy repel eachother. Again and I agree with Trix, I think Conte and Jose both could have been successful at Spurs if they were given the control, same with Nagelsmann, I think if he was given control and it was daniel who was the flexible one, I think he'd do superb. I just don't see it happening and so I think sometimes it's about accepting the reality of the situation and hiring accordingly, we need somebody who is flexible and is adaptable. My preference would be that they start flexible and adaptable and they slowly become rigid over time and wrestle control away but if they don't have that capability to be flexible, it's going to be a disaster.
I think it would start with the players and this is actually the bigger area of concern with me. Conte was a micromanager and my opinion is that this works temporarily but if the players don't understand the why, then they'll basically shut down (like literally motor skills nervous system). If you get people to understand why then you can micromanage them for far longer but I think what our players need is to learn to trust their own judgement and so they need a manager that takes an approach more akin to asking a player a question and letting them find a solution. I always think that if you're going to be controlling then it needs to be a bit like the sport curling, where the person is in control of the puck, they eventually let go, then they brush either side just to manage and then eventually it's left to it's own momentum. Pep's approach apparently is to give the players freedom in the final 3rd to find solution, he controls how they get there, which upon reflection sounds like curling
. He focuses on getting the ball there. So for that reason I don't think Nagelsmann is the manager for the present because the players just went through, Jose and Conte and I think they've just had the mental energy drained from them and it needs a manager who teaches them to trust themselves to come before another manager who tries to teach them anything new. Honestly under Slot what I expected was that all the lessons from Jose and Conte would suddenly click where Slot was giving them confidence. So that's on the player side.I bet you regret asking
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It's the easiest thing in the World to write somebody off on the internet and then either act all 'Billy Big Bollocks' if you're right, or disappear into the ether if you're not. People seem to get huge enjoyment from it.
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All I require from any prospective manager is a bit of belief and harmony. Someone to be able to galvanise the club and help us all pull together. I really don’t care who it is. Coupled with a bit of style of course.
Sadly it looks like none of the managers mentioned anywhere seem as if they will be able to do that especially within here and especially elsewhere. The question I ask myself is, is it worth getting upset over it? And especially yet?
Sadly it looks like none of the managers mentioned anywhere seem as if they will be able to do that especially within here and especially elsewhere. The question I ask myself is, is it worth getting upset over it? And especially yet?
RobjDerby
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"Someone to be able to galvanise the club and help us all pull together"
This shouldn't be on any Managers to do list....this should start at the top.....managers come and go.........
It also explains why our club, with the current owners and Board, is so royally F'd
A Bit Much
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Anyone else find it soul destroying to hear from other club fans as they discuss transfer deals, when we are nowhere close to appointing a manager or DOF? We are both at risk of appointing a dud, and being slow out of the gates as well.
wrd
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I'm not looking for an argument today so I hope I can articulate this well; I remember the level of certainty in people's posts and how brash and dismissive of any other opinion those posts were when it came to hiring Jose and Conte. I still see similar in the way that Ange is being concluded as a poor choice from those very same posters. I don't understand how people still haven't developed a healthy dose of doubt into their opinions after the past few years. All I learnt is how stupid I am to have certainty over these things.
I'm not going to sit here and argue that Ange is the right choice, honestly I don't know, I feel like I'm at the point where I can argue either way on almost any candidate and I think that's the gift of doubting yourself and not speaking with such certainty tbh.
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The big part of the problem is that any new manager needs to work with the board, so when we see big names passed over it is probably because the board (baldy) have recognised that they will clash and then we will be back to square one in no time at all. So simple choice is a world class coach who will work with what he’s given but not kick up a fuss. The list must be enormous 
mil1lion
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I think I know who it is and why it's taking so long. Its Gallardo and has been all along. We've just been stalling it and bouncing between managers to give him time to learn English. He still says Tottingham and there's an issue with him saying "bake you proud". We're concerned about the backlash from fans saying "why have we hired a chef, we need a fucking manager". He has nailed down "come on you Spurs" though so that's good. He's just trying to work on saying it in sync with Daniel Levy. They're working on a social media announce video where he talks about how well he will do in the cup for Tottingham followed by he will make us proud and then he and Levy shout come on you Spurs down the camera. This shit takes time so we need to be patient. The bulge statue is misdirection, unveil a statue and get people focused on the crutch while he sneaks off and jumps on a private jet to London.
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This is the point for hiring managers from weaker leagues.
Generally I favour a manager from a weaker league or smaller club if they’ve achieved something special.
Klopp did. Ferguson definitely did at Aberdeen. Slot also did. Ange at this stage hasn’t, which is why he wouldn’t be my choice.
But my choices usually turn out bad so I won’t 100% be in favour or against most candidates.
easley91
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Nope. Don't give a **** about what others are doing.
What I do find soul destroying though is having every candidate for a job at Tottenham brought down at every opportunity, even with stuff that is based on rumour. People haven't joined us and they're not even being given a chance because of age, CV and nationality. There is no open mindedness as to if someone could succeed. It's straight up they will fail and we will be mediocre etc etc etc etc. One even literally said they have pre-conceived opinions and are unwilling to change.
Poch took us to a Champions League final and two title challenges. Redknapp took us to the top 4 and Champions League. Jol started us on this journey, and he was initially assistant to begin with.
Ange may look mediocre on paper, but he could well surprise us. Success or failure is not guaranteed, especially when they haven't even started the job. Scott Munn was laughed at and he hasn't officially started his role to show what he could do. It's always they're not good enough for us. Well those who on paper are good enough are not coming for one reason or another.
Not one person has said Ange has been target numero uno. He is just where we are at in the list at this point in time.
Trix
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Yeah well world cup played a part in that. It will be easier than last season.
Conte soon worked out the backbone/long-serving player's didn't have the minerals to sustain his training method, style of play and reverted back to type and started winging to Daddy Levy over breakfast ... And yes it could have been better than 4th I'd the squad weren't such a bunch of entitled wa***rs.
How many of the players that he has gotten on board have been of the stature of the Spurs squad? It shouldn't matter but it does. If they don't believe in him then he has no chance at succeeding. Look at Nuno as an example.
Not sure how you can say he has more merit than Brendan Rodgers when Rodgers has achieved more in the game despite what happened this season at Leicester. I don't want Rodgers but that point is just silly.
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Whatever you say the manager is still the figurehead. Villa is a case in point. I don’t know if you went a few weeks ago but everyone is behind Emery and has total collective faith in him. No mention of the chairman or the board but a belief. We were talking with home fans before the match. They have bought into it. The club has been galvanised. They are a unit.
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Does this fit with him being very keen (seemingly more so than a lot of managers would be) to have a DOF? For example, Poch didn't want one in order that he could have even more power.My understanding of Nagelsmann is that he is somebody who wants to control every aspect he possibly can. Before I elaborate I want to be clear, when I say micromanage, I don't think it's always a bad thing, it to me is just a way of doing things and if done correctly can have excellent results, if done poorly can be awful. My understanding though is that he likes to micromanage every single element that he can.
On the board side, I think that control would be like what players come and go, what team he is building, other elements and with Spurs I just think, with Daniel you have this rigid person who likes control and we've seen how hiring a rigid person who likes control has gone working with Daniel, they're like magnets, same energy repel eachother. Again and I agree with Trix, I think Conte and Jose both could have been successful at Spurs if they were given the control, same with Nagelsmann, I think if he was given control and it was daniel who was the flexible one, I think he'd do superb. I just don't see it happening and so I think sometimes it's about accepting the reality of the situation and hiring accordingly, we need somebody who is flexible and is adaptable. My preference would be that they start flexible and adaptable and they slowly become rigid over time and wrestle control away but if they don't have that capability to be flexible, it's going to be a disaster.
I think it would start with the players and this is actually the bigger area of concern with me. Conte was a micromanager and my opinion is that this works temporarily but if the players don't understand the why, then they'll basically shut down (like literally motor skills nervous system). If you get people to understand why then you can micromanage them for far longer but I think what our players need is to learn to trust their own judgement and so they need a manager that takes an approach more akin to asking a player a question and letting them find a solution. I always think that if you're going to be controlling then it needs to be a bit like the sport curling, where the person is in control of the puck, they eventually let go, then they brush either side just to manage and then eventually it's left to it's own momentum. Pep's approach apparently is to give the players freedom in the final 3rd to find solution, he controls how they get there, which upon reflection sounds like curling
I bet you regret asking
Although JN wants input on the identity of that DOF, it seems that he knows how important it is that he just concentrates on coaching the first team rather than having to involve himself with other aspects of developing the club.
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