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RogerTCB

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Impressive that you managed to miss two-thirds of my reply apparently, but fine.
He might have done that but, to ignore the fact the person who appointed RFZ is never, ever going to say RDZ was second choice because he can't, is flawed. That interview is as good as useless in terms of being a reliable source for where Ange might have been in Brighton's thinking.
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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I asked my friend who is a Celtic ST holder to weigh in on Ange:

If you take him I will never speak to you again 🤣
He’s a genuinely great guy.
Smart media operator.
But I just don’t see him working in the EPL.
He likes to build a team and is a proper coach of the old school as well as a manager.

He’d rather take 5 years to build his style of club than win over night.

The main criticism of him in Europe is that he’ll stick to his principles even if it means taking a battering. I’m not sure that’s true but probably more of a reflection on that fact that our resources are pretty constrained and he can’t easily vary the system.

He is great at improving players and bringing through young players. Completely saved Joe Hart’s career.

This is definitely the case; I watched them play Madrid at home this year and they played them off the park, but missed all their chances. Then Madrid did what they do best and Celtic stood no chance playing the way they do.
 

danielneeds

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I'm going to bite - and I'll take the Aussie bias comment if it comes. But, to say we're being gaslight is so disrespectful to us and to Ange. Ange has earned everything he has been given in his coaching career so far. He has come up against groupthink like yours the entire time - yet every team he has coached has improved both on field and off it.

A coach is not the fountain of knowledge like some think. Nor do they have to be a big name. What they need to be is authentic and genuine, with an ability to lead and inspire. All of which Ange has in spades.

I'm a premier league hockey coach in Western Australia, currently coaching olympic athletes and State players. I've never played the game at that level. However, I can inspire, teach and get people to learn. This is what makes successful coaches. This is what Ange has.

I can guarantee nothing because sport is not linear. However, I can guarantee groupthink and prejudice like yours is on its way out of sport - good riddance.
The big name thing wears off so quick. For a few months the squad was star struck by Conte and we played good football. Then 6 months later while Conte gave off a vibe of rather being anywhere else, the football and apparently the vibe in the dressing room got worse and worse.
 

Hotspur33

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At this point I think we just need to do something even if it's not everyone's first choice and it costs financially. The transfer window opens in 11 days and there's so much that needs to be done without what should be the two key components in place. I'm far from convinced Enrique is the right choice, but then I think the 3 best candidates are either gone or in JN's case extremely unlikely.

Be it Enrique or AP or whoever, a decision needs to be made now, we need to own that decision, and we need to back it, or we can just write off another season. This has gone on long enough!
I’d be intrigued to know if the club are desperate enough to go back to Nagelsmann or even go back to Feyenoord with a big offer for Slot.
Looking at form though, I’d say it’s more likely he goes with Mason or one of the other candidates and then react midway through the season when things have gotten even worse.
 

WiganSpur

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Don’t know who they played but if they’re in the CL their squad would have considerably less quality than most of the others.
CL games are only 6 of that 18 I think. And one of those opponents were Shakhtar which you'd expect to be close run.
 

Ghost Hardware

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I have to say that your posts are among the very, very best in the new manager search (not just because we agree on many things but that doesn't hurt...... ).

In all seriousness, you have added multiple layers of detail and tied many loose ends together. Many thanks for your thoughtful (as in "full of thought") posts.
Thank you bud, your words are greatly appreciated! I keep telling myself not to get to wrapped up in the manager hunt because I know ultimately as long as Levy is here it's probably all meaningless and disappointing but there's always that 1% chance that the stars align and Levy somehow falls onto Poch mk2. We are all Spurs fans after all, hope (and the constant destruction of that hope) is in our DNA. I'm just glad my posts make some sort of sense when in truth there is not much about Spurs at present that does.
 

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As a Big Ange truther - I totally get why his CV and previous experience is setting off alarm bells. It hardly screams elite.

But for a club as big ours, the fact that we are looking seriously at him is a testament to just how highly he is regarded in coaching circles. The guys CV simply is what it is because he has not had the opportunities. Managerially, he has had to work his way from the bottom into the position he is in now - there is no journeyman about it - he has simply had to work his way up.

All these misgivings (lack of an elite CV, defensive frailties, getting tonked in Europe) are completely understandable and I get them. The people outright dismissing him as a "journeyman" or "Nuno again" is what is slightly irritating me because it just shows a complete lack of any due dilligence as to his managerial ethos.


I like the way the coaching circles at palace, napoli, everton, Frankfurt and other managerless clubs are clamouring to appoint the journeyman coach

Soo good even palace arent looking at him.
 

Teddy Klinsmann

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A manager who has done what Lennon, Gerrad, Rodgers, Strachan have done. In fact his efforts in Europe have been much worse than the forementioned. So underwhelming. Loved to be proved wrong but at 56 why have no other clubs in any major league come in for him?
 

WiganSpur

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A manager who has done what Lennon, Gerrad, Rodgers, Strachan has done. In fact his efforts in Europe have been much worse than the forementioned. So underwhelming. Loved to be proved wrong but at 56 why have no other clubs in any major league come in for him?
He needs prove himself in France or Holland maybe, or perhaps a bottom half Prem team would take the risk in hoping he can organise a defence too. West Ham would be a decent fit perhaps.
 

Wick3d

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I'm all for Aussie Jol. We won't win shit, but fuck it, at least I can watch us play and enjoy it. :LOL: Football isn't supposed to be this soul-destroying depressive shit. If Levy wants to get serious and actually structure the club to win titles, then he can do that no problem by getting out of the way. Until then, I want to watch us play and care.
 

Whazam

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Postecoglou Celtic record in Europe last 2 seasons (combination of CL, EL and ECL)

18 games, 39 conceded, 2.17 conceded per game. It's the best barometer of how he will do in the PL as it's a mix of opponents at a similar level on average.

He does however have a better record against Rangers, conceding an average of 1.1 per game against them. I don't really know too much about what state Rangers have been in though since Gerrard left.

We are not any higher than mid table in the PL next season conceding well over 2 goals a game imo.
You're saying Celtic's stats in Europe would translate to Spurs in the PL?

The only way that would make sense is if Ange replaced our entire squad with Celtic's.

It is no barometer whatsoever of how he would perform in the PL under completely different circumstances.
 

SSC

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The mental gymnastics in here to make Ange feel like not just a suitable fit but the best candidate available surprises me. Yes his Celtic team have been great in the context of the level they play in but to bring in someone with next to no experience at the elite level (lets be honest JSL and SPL are not that in the context of the big five leagues etc) he would be a HUGE risk. Add into the fact what a complete mess our overly bloated squad of big egos/personalities is, presumably very low on morale, coached to play very specific football for the last few years and with a toxic fan base behind them... I just cant see it.

Patience will be wafer thin and I wager many of those saying we should hire him will be screaming in October that he was a ridiculous appointment when we're 7th/8th and the crowd are once again baying for blood.

Then again, when he first emerged under Sherwood I was pretty confident Kane wasnt going to make it with us... so what do I know! :unsure:
 

WiganSpur

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You're saying Celtic's stats in Europe would translate to Spurs in the PL?

The only way that would make sense is if Ange replaced our entire squad with Celtic's.

It is no barometer whatsoever of how he would perform in the PL under completely different circumstances.
The majority of teams they played in the ECL and EL were at a similar level to them. We're at a similar level to most Prem teams. So if you're conceding goals against teams at a similar level to you then that's a worry no?
 

spurs-r-us

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That's not the point. It's trying to understand how he fares against elite opponents and also opponents close to their level. Which is most comparable to how he will do in the PL with Spurs.
If you entirely discount the fact that they were in a group with Shakhtar, Leipzig and Real f*n Madrid, then sure "they're at a similar level. They've spent £49m over the past two years and recouped £45m. There's no argument to be made that Celtic should be doing anything in Europe. Their defence has Hart and CCV in it FFS.
 

Real_madyidd

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The majority of teams they played in the ECL and EL were at a similar level to them. We're at a similar level to most Prem teams. So if you're conceding goals against teams at a similar level to you then that's a worry no?
So, you want a more Defensive coach?

Fuck.
 
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