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[Guntz]

Why couldn't he do it again, could point, however all the issues that existed whilst he was here still remain, so surely it'd be rinse and repeat, IF he could get the team to over perform as they did previously.

I think most of the sourness at the end of his time here was because we didn't sign a single player in two transfer windows when the squad desperately needed a refresh.

Then when we finally signed Ndombele, Clarke, Lo Celso, Sess, etc.. in 2019 it was already too late.

 

[dontcallme]

You could argue we're at a similar stage to where we were when he joined in 2014.

We have a couple of older squad members that need to be moved on. But also have a good young core of upcoming players that we can potentially build around.

Poch did it once, why couldn't he do it again? Our squad is also in a much better state than in 2014.

I think most of the sourness towards the end of his time here culminated in the fact that we didn't sign a single player in two transfer windows when the squad desperately needed a refresh.

No reason he couldn’t do it again.

But I think part of what made Poch initially excellent was his energy which came from being a manager making a step up.

By the end he just looked tired of it all.

 

[Dunc2610]

I think most of the sourness at the end of his time here was because we didn't sign a single player in two transfer windows when the squad desperately needed a refresh.

Then when we finally signed Ndombele, Clarke, Lo Celso, Sess, etc.. in 2019 it was already too late.

And wasn't that due to Poch being stubborn wanting Tier 1 players and Levy not being willing or us indeed even being desirable to Tier 1 players? That will be an issue that remains.

 

[rossdapep]

Avatar change.

Brilliant idea!

 

[Trent Crimm]

Haha just genuinely intrigued: I’m not here for a willy waiving contest as genuinely I’m not an ‘in the know’ guy and not here to virtually jump on people later saying you said that and look at what happened: I appreciate people’s minds change in time etc.

Just genuinely interested in first of all the reasons why Poch is going to be disaster for us (especially when we look at the shit show of our club now).

For me Poch is a no brainer, guided us to our record points tally in the Prem, unbeaten at the old lane in 2016/17, only manager to take us to a CL final, simply the best manager we’ve had in the Premier League era and is proven on the model that most want at our club.

No way is levy picking a manager more popular than him. Sadly.

 

[Guntz]

And wasn't that due to Poch being stubborn wanting Tier 1 players and Levy not being willing or us indeed even being desirable to Tier 1 players? That will be an issue that remains.

Yeah, that definitely was an issue but you'd hope Poch & Levy would have both learned from that experience.

That's why it's imperative to get a good DOF regardless of who the manager is, as they should be able to find a good middle ground - just like when Poch & Mitchell worked together.

For that short period, the signings for the most part were good and it seemed like we had a viable long-term strategy.

 

[allatsea]

No reason he couldn’t do it again.

But I think part of what made Poch initially excellent was his energy which came from being a manager making a step up.

By the end he just looked tired of it all.

Once he got Levy to get rid of the troublemakers, non triers, he was basically left with a young squad eager to show the world what they could do. Once that squad started to mature Poch was less successful and I fear a repeat of that if he came back.

 

[Rosco1984]

No way is levy picking a manager more popular than him. Sadly.

This rules out most of the human race unfortunately.

 

[easley91]

No reason he couldn’t do it again.

But I think part of what made Poch initially excellent was his energy which came from being a manager making a step up.

By the end he just looked tired of it all.

If he feels like he has that energy to jump back in then I wouldn't say no. He looked so burnt out during the AON documentary (which I don't think helped matters having them filming everything).

 

[McFlash]

And yet I don't recall seeing Conte or Stellini screaming at the defence to push up.

Not sure about Stellini but I've seen both Conte and Mason doing it, while getting pretty frustrated.

I'm leaning towards Kompany at present, just because I feel we new a fresh new set of ideas and someone who will let the players play with a bit of freedom and help them to get the crowds off their backs.
It's no wonder they're so scared of making a mistake this season, if it wasn't a bollocking from Conte, it was moans and groans (or worse) from the fans.

I want a manager who will encourage them to play to their strengths and Kompany, or Slot for that matter, seem to have the ability to bring the best out of their players, have tactical ideas but not stifle them with rigidity.

 

[dontcallme]

If he feels like he has that energy to jump back in then I wouldn't say no. He looked so burnt out during the AON documentary (which I don't think helped matters having them filming everything).

I wouldn’t be totally against it. In my experience, people returning in the hope of doing things better the 2nd time round rarely works out.

Not to say it can’t of course.

 

[Impspur1]

You are paraphrasing it like this in order to support your argument, and it's not how it has been said at all by any of them including our Captain and our talisman. As I've said there is a big difference to setting up like we've done against City for example, and the way we drop deep against other sides because we are panicking. Panic is the best way to describe it and it's without question the first thing that will need addressing by whoever comes in. All 3 left in the tombola, and as far as I'm aware it is only 3, like to play in an expansive manor and so having the ability to get this across is going to be the key to whether we push on or suffer more of the same. If not I expect to be here in 12 months time pointlessly arguing about the merits of Potter, Brendan and Poch.

Yep, our best results against the best sides have been when we’ve looked well set up and coached. Sat deep and countering looked organised and structured, too often as Trix said, it’s just been blind panic, week mentality, leadership or whatever but it’s it not the same.

 

[KingNick]

The arguments against Poch have been exhausted in this thread really but one of the biggest for me was his unwillingness to work with a DOF and when he got players he said he wanted, proving himself to be a bad judge, meaning we have been paying the price since with players we can’t get rid of.

of course, no away wins in a year, horrific record against the top teams, pimping himself out for a year to Madrid and Man United, generally looking like he didn’t care except in CL games, saying he would leave if we won CL, binning Trippier, giving up in the season following the CL final so we played some of the worst football I’ve ever seen (2-0 down at half time at home to Watford ! ) all don’t help either.

 

[USAYID]

And wasn't that due to Poch being stubborn wanting Tier 1 players and Levy not being willing or us indeed even being desirable to Tier 1 players? That will be an issue that remains.

The issues Poch faced when we let him go are still here today to a lesser extent, and any new manager coming in would face them. A new manager may or may not handle the situation better than Poch did, but you could also argue that if he were to agree to come back, he knows the situation and would be better equipped to work with the available funds.

I firmly believe that Poch's insistence on not getting anyone who was not a Tier 1 in was because he was sick of only being offered the likes of Sissoko, N'Koudou and N'Jie instead of ready-to-go players. If you look at the quality of who left (Dembele), who was declining (Toby & Jan) and who was disinterested (Ericksen), that was the standard that was required. Given what he had achieved and the extra money brought in from the CL, I don't blame him for rejecting 3rd and 4th tier players.

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

Reports in Holland today that Arne Slot has turned us down and will stay at Feyenoord

 

[Cochise]

Reports in Holland today that Arne Slot had turned us down and will stay at Feyenoord

At last, something on topic in this thread

 

[tony0379]

Reports in Holland today that Arne Slot had turned us down and will stay at Feyenoord

FFS there goes another £20

 

[Impspur1]

Reports in Holland today that Arne Slot had turned us down and will stay at Feyenoord

Oh dear, be fun in here for the next few hours

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

Reports in Holland today that Arne Slot had turned us down and will stay at Feyenoord

where have you read that?

 

[dontcallme]

Reports in Holland today that Arne Slot had turned us down and will stay at Feyenoord

Any links?