Next Manager Watch

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Well, its either blow it all up, or shrooms.

I'm good either way.

 

[Japhet]

Frank would be a solid, unexciting pick.

Problem for him is that he wouldn't be a popular choice and if he didn't start strongly or get immediate results, he wouldn't have attractive football or a history or trophies to fall back on to appease the fans. I think he could do quite well here given time, but after 4 years of watching shite-ball, the fans will be on a very short fuse if the football's not good and that alone could do for him.

I do think that, unlike Nuno, his charisma would buy him some time though. He's a very eloquent, likeable guy and I think the fan-base would warm to him on that level unlike Nuno who was about as charming as a trout with halitosis.

Kane would be off like a scolded cat but I guess we'd have a decent chance of bringing in Ivan Toney as a minor plus. We're in for another Harry Kane saga anyway now and tbh I've had enough of feeling like we're being held to ransom.

 

[Timberwolf]

I don’t think anyone doubts he’s a good manager, in fact most people on here are pretty positive of him. But like you say essentially hiring him would be the same as hiring Nuno in the sense it would be tactically based on a way he used to play in the past not what he plays now. If it was a choice between Frank and Glasner say then yes I would go Frank but in reality there are many different options out there. Considering he primarily plays long ball football we shouldn’t assume that he will change and even if he did change that his style of football would actually work.

Personally I think we need to look for a manager that tactically fits exactly what we want now rather then hoping he can change to fit once he’s here. I personally really can’t deal with anymore long ball football and if you look around the top leagues in Europe not many, if any, play that style of system.

Yeah if the idea's to bring in Frank and tell him:

Play some of that less-direct stuff you did back in the Championship like a good lad.

then we're fucked from the start. Nuno was a bad pick regardless, but we utterly doomed him by trying to make him play a style that he wasn't comfortable with when he would've obviously preferred to play with a back 3.

If we're not willing to let a manager do their own thing and trust in their choices then we really shouldn't be hiring them in the first place.

 

[chas vs dave]

I just wish we'd see some movement, so that I can actually get back to work

 

[soflapaul]

Well, its either blow it all up, or shrooms.

I'm good either way.

I was thinking this was a cryptic showing the second bomb, Fat Man. Sam Allardyce?

 

[smithym]

Well, its either blow it all up, or shrooms.

I'm good either way.

Both?

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Short term I can see the benefit from any of Poch or Tuchel, based on their knwodge of the league. I do think either would give us a short term lift.
However, after listening to the LWOS podcast last night, I do find myself even more in the ‘project’ camp than I already was. I’d take a season or so step back, bit of Thursday night Europa, whilst we refind our playing identity. I’ve see the comments on here, and also on the podcast, about how under Paratici’s tenure we have placed more emphasis on youth/development recruitment, and I’d love to see a a manager come in to drive that to fruition by starting to promote from within more.
Project for me is the way to go, even if it means we have to sacrifice some bigger name players, I’d like to come out of this with a style driven approach (albeit flexible enough to have more than just ‘Plan A’ so we are not too predictable), where players know their roles and are interchangeable within multiple systems, so we aren’t relying on specific individuals. If a certain player is out (injured or suspended), there is a ready made stand in who can slot on seamlessly without us having to change approach to accommodate the change in personnel. This seems more Gallardo or Amorim.
Let’s embrace our level of backing and make it work rather than look enviously at what else could have been. Trying to recreate ‘win now’ on a budget doesn’t work, so let’s buy potential and mould then into those type of players. Dortmund approach as opposed to Bayern. If that’s where we’re at funding wise, the work to those limits. Again, referring to LWOS last night, there was a view around now Arsenal have slipped behind us for the last few years, but they’ve been brave, had a blueprint, and backed it to pay off. Gone through some uncomfortable spells, but now they have a young side with players coming through from within, playing a decent brand of football. If we are not going to ‘Chelsea’ our way out of this mess with cash, then we need to dig in for the hard road, and not just keep going round in circles hoping blindly some short cut pans out.

 

[Fredo]

Not that I like/dislike. I cannot recall a time when SC judges been happy with the home shirts under Nike. So they may as well do what they want.

No excuse for putting random parrallel lines, barcodes, different shades of boxes and circles all over the shirt. What a nightmare. Design team on acid.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Frank would be a solid, unexciting pick.

Problem for him is that he wouldn't be a popular choice and if he didn't start strongly or get immediate results, he wouldn't have attractive football or a history or trophies to fall back on to appease the fans. I think he could do quite well here given time, but after 4 years of watching shite-ball, the fans will be on a very short fuse if the football's not good and that alone could do for him.

I do think that, unlike Nuno, his charisma would buy him some time though. He's a very eloquent, likeable guy and I think the fan-base would warm to him on that level unlike Nuno who was about as charming as a trout with halitosis.

Spot on.

 

[Styopa]

He 100% plays great football and again we dont have the players for it but if I remember peps first season in the prem didnt he have the players squad to do it and even though they started like a house on fire they ended up finishing 3rd behind us. City perserved and now they have one of the best teams on the planet. Would we be so accomodating. 2 bad results we will be on his back

Yeah, City persevered. They also spent about 300 million on new players the summer after finishing 3rd.

 

[felmani26]

Has there been developments on Thomas Frank then or is this just general musings over his suitability?

 

[Teegart]

My opinion on what Levy should do has been pretty set since about January:

- Fire Conte
- Fire Paratici (he’s done very well by all accounts on transfers, scouting set up and development squad signings, but the stuff looming over him in Italy and his clear preference for pragmatic coaches is my reason for getting rid)
- Throw the bag at Paul Barber to come and be the Head Of Football operations.
- Let Barber have complete control of all the football side and let him pick the new manager for the summer. Whoever he picks, I’ll be on board with as he seems, being a spurs fan himself, to get what we want in attacking football.

Will never happen in a million years, but I’d be over the moon with the above.

 

[Tyler24durden]

My opinion on what Levy should do has been pretty set since about January:

- Fire Conte
- Fire Paratici (he’s done very well by all accounts on transfers, scouting set up and development squad signings, but the stuff looming over him in Italy and his clear preference for pragmatic coaches is my reason for getting rid)
- Throw the bag at Paul Barber to come and be the Head Of Football operations.
- Let Barber have complete control of all the football side and let him pick the new manager for the summer. Whoever he picks, I’ll be on board with as he seems, being a spurs fan himself, to get what we want in attacking football.

Will never happen in a million years, but I’d be over the moon with the above.

Add Ralf Rangnick in a DOF and you’ve got a structure with a plan.

 

[Albertbarich]

With Poch , Tuchel, Gallardo and even Enrique available and now we have the clout to get a de Zerbi or Amorim I'd be utterly bemused if Thomas Frank is our top target

Such an unimaginative, boring choice with little evidence he has the tools to take us beyond where we are or even keep us there.

There has never been a better time to be in the market for a coach so let's take advantage of that rather choosing someone who you would want if you had never seen a non English game of football.

Btw he is a good manager but I don't get the vibe that he could take us by the balls and lead us at all. He's fine where he is and his next move should be to a villa or Everton level team.

 

[wrd]

I do think that man management is often overlooked - but I disagree with the premise that we need a tactically adaptable manager.

If you want to improve as a squad - you need direction. You need to know where, and why, you need to improve certain positions. If you simply take the approach of "I'll just make what's in the fridge" then you will be mired in mediocrity - and have no plan for improvement.


Take the current flavor of the month - Arteta. He has always known how he wanted to play - and was willing to wait for the club to deliver the players he needed in specific positions. It was not about adaptability, it was about knowing how he wanted to play tactically, so that he could then identify the players needed.

This, of course, requires patience, which is in short supply at the club. I worry that too many people just assume that a new manager, or a new approach can turn players into something they are not. Who ever we bring in, should have a plan - in concert with a DOF - and then we should start - again - at building a squad in that vision. But, its a recipe for disaster if we expect a manager to simply turn existing players into something else...

I think it's a balance between the two for sure, I think if we look at Fergie again, he had the basis of his team set ups but he was able to adapt from that base. I felt Poch had the same ability, he had his 4-2-3-1 but he could adapt to 3-5-2, 3-4-2-1 when necessary, so I think you're right that if it's always make do but I think we have quite a lot of good materials in our squad to work with currently and I think a balance between progressive transfer windows and tactical flexibility as we elevate season on season would be the best approach. Arteta himself is a good example, he has shown tactical flexibility between the 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and the back 3-4-3 depending on what is available but as you say he waited for the club to deliver the players he needed, Arsenal's board clearly knew what they was doing and had a clear vision, my question would be how long would a spurs manager be waiting and can a manager trust the board to have that clear vision. I would say thus far no when it comes to the footballing side of things and so if Levy isn't going to change or leave then we need a manager who is adaptable.

 

[YB123]

Agreed, but worth mentioning Frank changed to more direct football to keep Brentford up. It does suggest at least an adaptable manager. Plus they just went on a 12 game unbeaten run, so it may be a case of don’t fix what isn’t broke.

Nuno did exactly the same and struggled to revert back.

This isn't aimed at you at all, more in general. The amount of fans that say they want Frank as next manager and want attacking football, shows for me just how little fans watch football outside of Spurs.

 

[Gspurs11]

Think we're probing RDZ's release clause and feeling out whether he'd leave now or end of the season... Just a hunch...

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Surely he should just adapt his philosophy to fit the players we have.

You make it sound like that would be too much to expect...

 

[muel]

We’re in that fucking awful phase of hash and repeat reporting on this now.

shit or get off the fucking pot

 

[Yapptiestrap]

Glad you're now saying Tuchel is in the running as I remember when I first mentioned he was near the top of our list, you said you didn't think he was. I've consistently been given two names, that doesn't mean there aren't others as of course there will be, but Tuchel and Enrique are the only names that have been consistently said to me.

Re what Dragon has said re people lying if they think they know who the next manager will be or what the plan is, unless I've missed something, I don't believe anybody has committed to saying who the next manager is or what the plan is.

Enrique please. No more Chelsea slags