Next Manager Watch

[djhotspur]

I'm not saying he will be good but people saying Poch wasted the money are chatting shit cos the vast majority of people were super excited about the signing.

Because the vast majority don’t actually watch foreign players outside of some highlight reel and get sucked in by 1 or 2 big performances.
There’s very few on here I listen to on foreign league players outside of @Ghost Hardware

 

[djhotspur]

This is the problem though we can’t expect the club to do everything in one or two windows it takes a while

It does. But 3 windows and still no Cb.

 

[Tucker]

His biggest mistake was still getting involved in the football side of things while Paratici seemed to be doing well.

But then with Paratici’s legal issues. Surely Levy had to get involved again in some aspects.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Is Stellini a genuine alternative, like when BMJ took over? With Conte out for a while, we don't actually need to do anything other than watch Stellini stake his claim, do we?

 

[mil1lion]

Can’t believe people want to sell Davies! He’s exactly the kind of reliable squad member great teams always have !! Can play back 3 or 4, never complains, never lets you down

I would get rid. He's been around far too long and hasn't looked as good this season. It feels the right time to sell him. He should never player left back again at this level. He's a decent player at left centre back but if we go back to possession football it would make more sense to replace him with Lenglet. I wouldn't say he's never let us down either. He's been pretty woeful at times , given the ball away leading to goals and his general play on the ball is so aimless. We have an issue holding onto players for too long.

 

[Yiddo100]

Is Stellini a genuine alternative, like when BMJ took over? With Conte out for a while, we don't actually need to do anything other than watch Stellini stake his claim, do we?

Can only see stellini managing,3/4 games at most, then conte back to finish the season.

 

[Gilzeanking]

I'm not saying he will be good but people saying Poch wasted the money are chatting shit cos the vast majority of people were super excited about the signing.

Yes , but we are fans. For Poch it was his job to do due diligence...and did he ?

 

[A Bit Much]

Is Stellini a genuine alternative, like when BMJ took over? With Conte out for a while, we don't actually need to do anything other than watch Stellini stake his claim, do we?

It's an interesting thought. Only difference I'd say is BMJ was actually a seasoned first team manager when he became our assistant (without looking I think he managed waaljwick in Holland for a good few years).

We're also in a different place compared to back then when someone less proven could step in and get the job.

If stellini does a great job though in Contes absence and weirdly solves some of our issues I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand.

 

[djhotspur]

I would get rid. He's been around far too long and hasn't looked as good this season. It feels the right time to sell him. He should never player left back again at this level. He's a decent player at left centre back but if we go back to possession football it would make more sense to replace him with Lenglet. I wouldn't say he's never let us down either. He's been pretty woeful at times , given the ball away leading to goals and his general play on the ball is so aimless. We have an issue holding onto players for too long.

Completely agree. If we are moving to a back 4 he has zero place in poch system.

 

[Yiddo100]

Yes , but we are fans. For Poch it was his job to do due diligence...and did he ?

I don’t think that should be pochs/the managers job. He should say I want Ndombele or whoever, scouts/analysts then look at him and then should come back with the feedback, yes he’s good and will fit or no he’s not going to workout. (As much as anyone can know anyway)

 

[easley91]

Yes , but we are fans. For Poch it was his job to do due diligence...and did he ?

It's down to the scouts to do the initial due diligence and then the manager should yay or nay after all the feedback has been given. At the end of the day Poch only got a few months with Ndombele and so we'll never really know if Poch sticking around would have made a difference or not longer term.

 

[parj]

Yes , but we are fans. For Poch it was his job to do due diligence...and did he ?

What did the scouting team do?

 

[mpickard2087]

This gets said a lot, but if anyone thinks for a second the fans being 'on his back' makes the slightest bit of difference to how he runs the club or whether ENIC will keep him on they are deluding themselves.

It's a multi billion dollar operation, they're not going to make management decisions based on fan chants, hashtags or chaps waving flags at the training ground.

Levy and ENIC are around as long as they want to be, the discussion should be what's best for the team given that limitation.

I think that's certainly true in terms of the overall running and objectives of the club and if/when they'll sell the club, but Levy is definitely quite weak and pliable in terms of his reactions to criticism from fans etc. I mean just in the last few years:

- Bins or adopts the DOF model based on the current mood re. it's performance.

- Around the time Poch was "promoted" to manager (with a big song and dance made about it), there was a vocal clamour from fans for Levy to give him the keys to the castle. I said at the time this was a dumb decision, we ultimately saw this way beyond Poch's capabilities to run everything, and a large reason as to why we didn't consolidate/kick on from that 15/16 - 16/17 period.

- We suddenly, wildly, and disastrously - with the effects still being felt now, overpay for ill-suited players in 2019 after the "infamy" of 2018.

- Tries to cut corners and appoints Mourinho when fans are starting to get noisy about "Poch era all being a waste of time not winning trophies".

- Then feels he has to come out and say he does prefer attacking attractive football and promises this with the next manager (and doing this backfired massively given who we ended up with).

- Admittedly this was not just himself, but part of maybe the most screeching u-turn ever witnessed with the Super League debacle and fans backlash.

- Binned Nuno the moment the stadium threatened to erupt into a riot.

- With the complaints about lack of trophies and questioning whether ENIC want to win, we get another "win now, elite players" corner cutting appointment in Conte who like Jose before, looks a questionable fit to the traditional Spurs/ENIC model.


I'll stop there with the examples, but could continue. If you put pressure on him though, he often caves or does something to placate. Often this short term appeasement has been disastrous, and tbh I'd rather he was the dogmatic caricature he's portrayed as being and didn't listen and stuck to a consistent vision and plan the club sticks to.

 

[Timberwolf]

It's an interesting thought. Only difference I'd say is BMJ was actually a seasoned first team manager when he became our assistant (without looking I think he managed waaljwick in Holland for a good few years).

We're also in a different place compared to back then when someone less proven could step in and get the job.

If stellini does a great job though in Contes absence and weirdly solves some of our issues I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand.

Feel like 90% of the time that a caretaker gets given the job full time after a honeymoon period, things turn to shit. Craig Shakespeare at Leicester, O'Neil at Bournemouth right now, even United's results went down the toilet the minute they officially appointed Ole (although he obviously had good runs in the following years). Feel like there are a ton of other examples too.

I think to appoint Stellini there has to be a very strong conviction that he has the tools to succeed at the top level and is the strongest possible candidate out there. It's pretty common for a caretaker's initial bounce to not be at all representative of their ability to succeed long term so we'd need to be very careful entertaining this idea IMO.

 

[Wils]

This is the problem though we can’t expect the club to do everything in one or two windows it takes a while

Valid point but I think CB could have and should have been addressed by now

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Of course, but it appointing Poch will mean the fans will be off his back for a bit.

Personally I’m more up for Poch and some good vibes than a toxic atmosphere and another defensive manger. The fans will only be off Levy’s back as long as Poch is being supported in the market.

 

[McFlash]

Is Stellini a genuine alternative, like when BMJ took over? With Conte out for a while, we don't actually need to do anything other than watch Stellini stake his claim, do we?

I'm not sure, I get the feeling that Conte and his coaching team are pretty much one and the same.
I would've thought that Stellini's loyalty will lie with Conte but then, maybe he has aspirations of becoming a manager himself, so who knows.

I do think he's pretty safe hands for a caretaker role for the moment and I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Can’t believe people want to sell Davies! He’s exactly the kind of reliable squad member great teams always have !! Can play back 3 or 4, never complains, never lets you down

Are you Ben Davies ?

 

[jimbo]

Given we have a small army out on loan, I think it makes sense for any new manager to assess the entire squad in pre-season and make their own judgement on who stays and who goes.

Obviously certain players have a lot of baggage at the club *cough* Ndombele *cough* and are likely to leave regardless, but I would be short-sighted of us to 100% commit to selling the likes of Lo Celso, Reguilon, Gil and, dare I say it, even Winks, if the new manager thinks they suit his style of play and have value in the squad. Especially if the alternative would be spending 30+ million on players with similar skillsets in those positions down the line.

I mean, at this point would anyone really be that against selling Sessegnon and keeping Reguilon as our backup LB? And maybe Lo Celso would actually work at Spurs under a manager that plays possession football?

I don't buy Levy forcing the manager to use specific players though, especially given he's been open to having them all loaned out forever. Also, why would he even be saying that type of thing behind the scenes when Conte is still manager? Sure Levy might want the manager to "reassess" them, but he's hardly going to be forcing Poch to play Lo Celso and co when they've been on loan for 12-18 months and we've already bought new players in their positions.

See to me, backing the manager - whichever manager it is - would be moving players he doesn't want out permanently. Showing that this is our guy and if you're not up to his standard or fit his methods then you're out. Having a small army out on loan, where they can wait for a new manager to come in and evaluate them is symptomatic of our current issues, in my opinon.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

I find all this Poch talk sad.
Firstly, for Conte who is clearly not well and has had a dreadful year personally. Whether, Conte was the right choice is neither here or there. He should have been backed by Levy and he clearly has not been. He deserves another year.
Secondly, why do we want Poch back. Yes he gave us some good years where we punched above our weight. But he delivered nothing as far as trophies are concerned. He failed to win the league when Leicester won it ( I always saw it that we lost it and not Leicester winning it, although the poor referring of Leicester’s penalty area grabbing and pulling along with their time wasting did not help, along with the media love in) and the failure to pick a team to play against Liverpool in the Champs League final. Have all the Poch lovers forgotten the dire last 18 months of his tenure?
Thirdly, what has Poch done to show that he can deliver the trophies and titles we all desire? And I mean trophies and title, not a league cup. Yes he has gone off to PSG and won a league and a cup or two, but many so called lesser mangers could have achieved that or better, but he was sacked from that job as he was from Spurs.
I loved Poch till the last 18 months but he has shown nothing since he has left to show me that he will be able to deliver what we want.
For the sake of Spurs we must look elsewhere.