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[KingNick]

People frequently say we need a system like Brighton’s.

Well Brighton’s system does not give the manager freedom of choice over players and JN would never be a consideration for them.

on the contrary, their structure is about fixing a set system for the club and then recruiting players who fit that system (done so relying heavily on data - as per Brentford), and the manager does not drive the process. The manager must fit the club not the other way around. This mitigates risk when managers leave - as Brighton have proven.

If JN wanted complete say over players (which perversely is contrary to how he operated at Leipzig) then it’s obviously not a fit for a Brighton-type structure. The same as Poch - he never wanted that structure, whereas Martin Jol didn’t mind.

I think that structure would not put off Slot, hence why he has been DL’s choice from the outset.

 

[allatsea]

People frequently say we need a system like Brighton’s.

Well Brighton’s system does not give the manager freedom of choice over players and JN would never be a consideration for them.

on the contrary, their structure is about fixing a set system for the club and then recruiting players who fit that system (done so relying heavily on data - as per Brentford), and the manager does not drive the process. The manager must fit the club not the other way around. This mitigates risk when managers leave - as Brighton have proven.

If JN wanted complete say over players (which perversely is contrary to how he operated at Leipzig) then it’s obviously not a fit for a Brighton-type structure. The same as Poch - he never wanted that structure, whereas Martin Jol didn’t mind.

I think that structure would not put off Slot, hence why he has been DL’s choice from the outset.

and systems like Brighton mean the best players constantly leave and they never win anything.

 

[Scot-Spur]

First paragraph doesn’t necessarily mean the second paragraph.

I’ll be brutally honest, something didn’t sit right with JN with me. You can trawl up my posts on this if you don’t believe me (as it would be the first thing I’d accuse me of) - but it is a “fit” thing.

Also JN’s name doesn’t fit in the blue and white army chant and my thesis on this is well known.

Yea, I see your point. I was just passing on. I personally am trying to wait until a manager is in place before going off.

It is tough however as it does seem like we have been here before.

 

[Yiddo100]

P O’Keefe on twitter is telling it how many on here presumed. Couldn’t agree wages/structure/recruitment strategy.

Essentially saying Levy wants a puppet who will overachieve with what he is given. Also referenced players like Sess.

It does paint a rather gloomy picture.

Will wait and see what comes out and what his supposed demands were, do find it odd that he was top choice for both us and Chelsea and both going in different directions.

According to Falk from BILD the rumours were that he wanted a certain German DOF (unnamed) and we wouldn’t agree.

 

[Mattyhp]

So Nagelsmann available and numerous respected sources suggested very open to the prospect of joining providing he was given some confidence/assurances over totally reasonable things that the vast majority of ambitious or even well structured clubs would have agreed to.

The fact the club were not willing to structure a deal for the best genuine option to present itself since Poch confirms what the vast majority of fans have come to expect from ENIC. I have zero confidence of success with Levy in charge if the only profile of manager he appoints is either a Conte/Jose type where he expects them to win trophies without giving them the backing they have consistently needed to deliver that, or he is only considering project managers providing they don’t question the strategy or direction of the club.

Just appoint Mason and reference how the clubs DNA is about giving opportunities to youth and put us out of our misery. Pathetic

 

[Scot-Spur]

and systems like Brighton mean the best players constantly leave and they never win anything.

You can have a systems like Brightons but move it up a level? We are naturally higher in the pecking order due to various factors.

 

[KingNick]

and systems like Brighton mean the best players constantly leave and they never win anything.

That’s a different point.
That depends if you are gearing up to be a selling club and buying cheap. Brighton have to be. We don’t.

you can still have the Brighton system of continuity without the downside of needing to sell.

 

[rossdapep]

Slot my preferred option now. But I’d even take Potter or Rodgers - who have both created really good teams in the Prem over lengthy periods - ahead of Ryan.

We shouldn't be going anywhere near Rodgers after what he has done at Leicester.

Most will say its cause of Leicester's financial mess but

- He wouldn't listen to the data analysts who told him Vestegaard would be an issue in his system. Which proved to be correct.

- He wanted the club to keep all their big names depsite contracts running down/needing an influx of cash.

- He fell out with Soyuncu who Leicester fans have stated is their best defender.

- He spent at least a year churning out the same press conference, looking like he was waiting to be asked to leave but the club didn't really want to pay him off.

- He fell out with other players and did nothing to address the issues the team had.

I guarantee he'd come and start well but after 18 months or so the cracks will start appearing.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Hard to know who we should have as manager. But as has been said to death it’s a whole approach and structure we need that works. I am sure like in most businesses there is not just one way to do things but it’s time we picked a path and stuck to it.
Why am I bothering to post the obvious? Not sure really I am just fed up with us faffing about.

 

[allatsea]

So Nagelsmann available and numerous respected sources suggested very open to the prospect of joining providing he was given some confidence/assurances over totally reasonable things that the vast majority of ambitious or even well structured clubs would have agreed to.

The fact the club were not willing to structure a deal for the best genuine option to present itself since Poch confirms what the vast majority of fans have come to expect from ENIC. I have zero confidence of success with Levy in charge if the only profile of manager he appoints is either a Conte/Jose type where he expects them to win trophies without giving them the backing they have consistently needed to deliver that, or he is only considering project managers providing they don’t question the strategy or direction of the club.

Just appoint Mason and reference how the clubs DNA is about giving opportunities to youth and put us out of our misery. Pathetic

If rumours are to be believed he wanted a certain DoF from Germany. Isn't that the tail wagging the dog ? I though the idea behind having a DoF was to ensure recruitment etc was controlled so you could change Managers but still use and rely on the same squad ?

 

[ShriekinKnight]

Will wait and see what comes out and what his supposed demands were, do find it odd that he was top choice for both us and Chelsea and both going in different directions.

According to Falk from BILD the rumours were that he wanted a certain German DOF (unnamed) and we wouldn’t agree.

You find it odd the two most incompetent owners in the Premier League reached the same conclusion that they know better how to run the football operation?

 

[SUIYHA]

Falk seems to suggest Nagelsmann wanted a specific Sporting Director, which the club didn't want

Rumoured factor may have determined Tottenham's Nagelsmann decision

Tottenham's decision to pull out of the running for Julian Nagelsmann as their next head coach could be down to the club being against fulfilling the German's specific demands regarding his next sporting director, Christian Falk has suggested.

www.caughtoffside.com

Been so easy to blame Levy for everything recently, but if this is the reason things broke down then it could be understandable depending on who he is asking for. The Sporting Director is arguably an even more important appointment than the manager themselves in terms of the longer term strategy and leading the club through the rebuild, so if he's pushing for the wrong candidate then it becomes a non-starter - even if the names that seem to have been mentioned alongside Nagelsmann (eg - Ragnick) seemed like they'd be interesting appointments.

Doesn't excuse the club's massive PR gaffe yesterday by briefing to all journos that the door was closed though. In any scenario, whether he's rejected us, whether we genuinely don't want to interview him, or whether he was being interviewed and spat in Levy's face and called him a bumbaclart - you keep silent and keep your dignity and leave the door open in case things change - particularly as there's a risk you need to go back and beg him to reconsider a bit further down the line as we did with Conte in 2021.

 

[piedpiper]

I hope I'm alive to see the day where Levy leaves

I dont get this.... Levy AND Enic the whole lot of them... it's not just the one. The way the club is run doesnt change when Levy steps away.... that entire consortium, investment firm, leeches or whatever fancy name we wanna call them, must go.

I don't dislike Levy as some do...but I realize now more than ever that the entire ownership has passed its useful shelf life.

 

[allatsea]

You find it odd the two most incompetent owners in the Premier League reached the same conclusion that they know better how to run the football operation?

Perhaps if he thinks he knows better than the bosses it explains why he was sacked by BM and failed to get the Chelsea and Spurs jobs.

 

[soflapaul]

Given how many people in here "know" exactly what happened in negotiations, you would have to imagine that the table was at least this big.

 

[Fredo]

I dont get this.... Levy AND Enic the whole lot of them... it's not just the one. The way the club is run doesnt change when Levy steps away.... that entire consortium, investment firm, leeches or whatever fancy name we wanna call them, must go.

I don't dislike Levy as some do...but I realize now more than ever that the entire ownership has passed its useful shelf life.

No you're right, however I believe the day Levy goes will trigger a domino effect at the club. I cant see ENIC being without Levy.

 

[SuperSpurs69]

It does lead the question once again though of do the board, as a collective know what they want let alone who they want?!

It's all about the brand and not the football.

 

[Scot-Spur]

Given how many people in here "know" exactly what happened in negotiations, you would have to imagine that the table was at least this big.

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Tbf the table would be the same size for the people burying their heads in the sand.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

While I could see Mason managing us in the future now isn’t the time. Harry Kane has single handily kept this club in the champions league places for years. Levy and the club will be clueless when he leaves.

I think you will find this has been the case for many years.

 

[piedpiper]

No you're right, however I believe the day Levy goes will trigger a domino effect at the club. I cant see ENIC being without Levy.

Okay.... I just think he tows the company line.... wait....yes I guess on reflection on player purchases etc and the like it's him... so perhaps there's something in your reasoning on this.