Newcastle buyout

[LSUY]

Heard they can only spend £200m before maxed out on FFP apparently. Imo it’s gonna take 5 years before in top 4 debate and maybe 10 before serious challengers. And is Stavely actually CEO, massive undertaking for someone that’s never run a football club before. It’s a colossal task, like having a high street cafe and turning into Starbucks.

This is probably why they're looking at Ralf Rangnick for sporting director. Rangnick will take care of the football side of things while Stavely and the Saudis take care of the money side. If they have any sense they won't do a Levy and interfere with the running of the first team.

 

[WhiteStripe]

It’s not even a comparison worthy making, it’s a complete false equivalence.

Yes fans want ENIC to invest a bit more in the squad, that doesn’t mean they’d be happy for a murderer to buy the club and financially dope us.

Saudi Arabia are on another level to anyone else currently in the sport. There’s a massive difference between a billionaire doing shitty things, and an absolute monarchy that executes women for having affairs and castrates gay people for simply having the audacity to exist. Frankly comparing one to the other in an attempt to call out criticism of this take over is a fucking disgrace.

I’m not comparing anything to this takeover. I’m not calling out criticism of this takeover either for fuck sake. Maybe you’re the disgrace for jumping to conclusions.

 

[Tucker]

I’m not comparing anything to this takeover. I’m not calling out criticism of this takeover either for fuck sake. Maybe you’re the disgrace for jumping to conclusions.

I guess you didn’t say this then…

You don’t deserve it he amount of disagrees you will get for this. It’s quite true. Moral hypocrisy everywhere.

Most people here would love Joe Lewis to start pumping additional funds into the club for players etc. He’s hardly mr squeaky clean is he!!

 

[WhiteStripe]

I guess you didn’t say this then…

I absolutely did say that, which was In response to a post that was not specifically about the Saudi fucking takeover. It was relating to the moral high ground people have gotten on for years before the Saudis decided to try and buy a football club to cover up their atrocities. My specific issue, if truth be told, is the fact people fully dismiss the achievements of clubs such as Chelsea.

Now I hate the club, but you cannot simply say they have brought all the trophies they have won. You can spend all the money you want but it takes a lot of hard work to win a trophy, not just investment.

This fucking forum really is getting far too full of people jumping on their fucking moral high horses the first chance they get. My stupidity was making any fucking comment on a thread about the Newcastle takeover.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

Same morality mob will be having a go at Levi and Enid for not over spending come transfer window. Unfortunately football is now abt how much money u can spend, the more u spend the better ur chances of success

We're talking about the murdering of a journalist with a bone saw, which the CIA concluded was ordered by the now owner of NUFC.

"Morality mob' is a truly awful choice of words.

 

[Leroy]

We're talking about the murdering of a journalist with a bone saw, which the CIA concluded was ordered by the now owner of NUFC.

"Morality mob' is a truly awful choice of words.

I didn’t justify the Saudis actions, find it vile that they are even afforded the opportunity to own a premier league club. Morose talking abt that these are the same people in the transfer forums that complain when we live within our means.

 

[Albertbarich]

I didn’t justify the Saudis actions, find it vile that they are even afforded the opportunity to own a premier league club. Morose talking abt that these are the same people in the transfer forums that complain when we live within our means.

I'm sorry but these are two different things.

Enic and the way spurs are run aren't relevant compared to this lot but let's be clear. You can moan the club isn't investing in the playing side of things, you can moan about winning trophies, Levy, Lewis, the stadium being more important etc etc etc. None of that leads to the only alternative is a backward government owning us . None of it. You can criticise Levy without wanting a dodgy Russian ogliarch who got his money through at best shady means and you can say Lewis isn't interested without wanting to be used as a sportwashing exercise by a slightly nicer version of Saudi Arabia.

I believe enic are bad football club owners that doesn't mean I want or think the only alternative is for us to be owned by gangsters or worse

 

[Tucker]

I didn’t justify the Saudis actions, find it vile that they are even afforded the opportunity to own a premier league club. Morose talking abt that these are the same people in the transfer forums that complain when we live within our means.

Is it the same people though? I know I have never moaned about us living within our means in the transfer forum. I can’t remember any of the other main contributors to this thread like Marty, Amo, Rossdapep etc doing it either.

 

[PLTuck]

I didn’t justify the Saudis actions, find it vile that they are even afforded the opportunity to own a premier league club. Morose talking abt that these are the same people in the transfer forums that complain when we live within our means.

It's not the same people. I don't whinge when we don't spend because I don't really care about how obscenely we spend. I DO care that we are not, nor should ever be owned by a murderous ****. I'd genuinely rather we were in the Vanarama. I've never seen @Amo whinge about not spending either, or @Tucker or anyone else who has outright said they would walk away from Spurs if it happened.

 

[mr ashley]

That's exactly what dozens of us have been saying.

It’s a good job this is a hypothetical argument because it allows people to make such claims.
I admire peoples principles too
I don’t believe there will be anyone stood on the gallowgate amongst the ‘absolute limbs’ if they did win the PL saying “this feels meaningless” though.
Just like they don’t at Stamford bridge or the etihad.

 

[Amo]

It’s a good job this is a hypothetical argument because it allows people to make such claims.

How did you not clock the irony in your statement before you posted it?

You made an allegation based entirely on counterfactual scenarios that can't be tested. And then you claim the people telling you you're wrong about what they'd do in that counterfactual situation than they're lucky it's counterfactual!

 

[NayimFTHL]

Well apart from the huge controversy around land grabs in South America, you don’t get to be in the position he’s in without shitting on a few people on the way up. I am in no way trying to say he’s a Murderous regime like the owners of Newcastle, but my point is that a lot of fans moan that there isn’t enough investment in the squad and want Joe Lewis to get his cheque book out and spend his money yet criticise Abramovich for doing just that.

*edit. Just to clarify, I am in no way supporting, condoning or comparing the Saudi takeover of Newcastle. That stands alone in isolation.

Just to add Joe lewis hosts Israeli soldiers every year at his resorts. Reward for killing hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children in Palestine

 

[mr ashley]

How do you not clock the irony in your statement before you posted it?

For Christ’s sake this is such a ridiculous argument.
Im fully aware that my posts on this subject will be unpopular because they don’t fit the current mood. And I’m not at all questioning the disgust at the Saudi regime and their actions.
But when fans say they will walk away or that they would denounce any victories earnt if we were in that position (Chelsea’s/city’s and now
Newcastle’s)
Well I find that a bit of a stretch.

we are all spurs fans first and foremost. We cheer all the goals (even the crappiest from the Jose era) and revel in the victories.

Im just being honest.

 

[Amo]

For Christ’s sake this is such a ridiculous argument.
Im fully aware that my posts on this subject will be unpopular because they don’t fit the current mood. And I’m not at all questioning the disgust at the Saudi regime and their actions.

What argument is ridiculous and what does the rest of your post do to respond to it? You said ky argument is ridiculous and then wrote a sob story about how marginalised you are for holding this position.

First you made the most intellectually lazy argument ever birthed on the internet by saying "those saying A are also saying B therefore A is invalid."

Firstly, who are these people that say A and also say B. Secondly, even if you're right, what does them saying B have to do with the validity of A as an logical position. Either thee position is valid or it isn't. Them being hypocrites is completely irrelevant.

we are all spurs fans first and foremost. We cheer all the goals (even the crappiest from the Jose era) and revel in the victories.

Im just being honest.

And wrong.

 

[popstar7]

For Christ’s sake this is such a ridiculous argument.
Im fully aware that my posts on this subject will be unpopular because they don’t fit the current mood. And I’m not at all questioning the disgust at the Saudi regime and their actions.
But when fans say they will walk away or that they would denounce any victories earnt if we were in that position (Chelsea’s/city’s and now
Newcastle’s)
Well I find that a bit of a stretch.

we are all spurs fans first and foremost. We cheer all the goals (even the crappiest from the Jose era) and revel in the victories.

Im just being honest.

OK. But you don't get to be honest on other people's behalf. It would genuinely break something between me and the club, the thought that any success we achieved was not off our own efforts but because a disgusting regime put a billion quid into the club for no other reason than to clean up their image. They're not just multi-billionaires. They're murderers, torturers and human rights abusers. Would not want them anywhere near our club and the pissed up Geordies who were dancing outside the stadium last week are a disgrace to themselves and their club.

 

[Spurs_1981]

For Christ’s sake this is such a ridiculous argument.
Im fully aware that my posts on this subject will be unpopular because they don’t fit the current mood. And I’m not at all questioning the disgust at the Saudi regime and their actions.
But when fans say they will walk away or that they would denounce any victories earnt if we were in that position (Chelsea’s/city’s and now
Newcastle’s)
Well I find that a bit of a stretch.

we are all spurs fans first and foremost. We cheer all the goals (even the crappiest from the Jose era) and revel in the victories.

Im just being honest.

I don't think that your argument is entirely unfair, tbh I don't know what I would do if Spurs were in that scenario but I feel we should accept that some people will walk away and take them at face value if they say that they will. I'm confident that there are examples of fans from clubs such as City that have lost interest or quit in protest.

I suppose turning the conversation towards a critique of fans that are disgusted instead of what it means for football or the unpleasantness of the regime and the motives for the Newcastle purchase feels like a trivial aside under the circumstances.

 

[Nine while nine]

For Christ’s sake this is such a ridiculous argument.
Im fully aware that my posts on this subject will be unpopular because they don’t fit the current mood. And I’m not at all questioning the disgust at the Saudi regime and their actions.
But when fans say they will walk away or that they would denounce any victories earnt if we were in that position (Chelsea’s/city’s and now
Newcastle’s). Well I find that a bit of a stretch.

we are all spurs fans first and foremost. We cheer all the goals (even the crappiest from the Jose era) and revel in the victories.

Im just being honest.

It's probably too pithy to cover the argument in this thread in its entirety, but I'd summarise my response to your post as follows:

We are all Spurs fans.

We are not all Spurs fans first and foremost.

 

[PLTuck]

Putting the reprehensible owners aside for a minute, the new moneybags will do what Chelsea did, and then later what City did. Inflate the market price for everyone, which is bad for everyone, including the previous top of the pile moneybags.

Chelsea were throwing around £20m transfers like confetti when Roman bought them.
City throw around £50m transfers virtually every window for squad players.

Now that 'base' amount is going to increase again, screwing everyone else, again.

 

[popstar7]

The sad thing is I think there are just two clubs in the country whose supporters would not have welcomed this takeover more or less with open arms. Not coincidentally they're the two most successful clubs in our game's history. Liverpool and United would not have traded their histories and their future success for a deal like this. At least not without a fight.

 

[mr ashley]

What argument is ridiculous and what does the rest of your post do to respond to it?

My posts are counterfactual?

and, can you stop editing your posts whilst I’m in the middle of replying to them