New Stadium Details And Discussions

[playboypaul]

Not that excited by those stadiums.

agree, but it does show that they can come up with different designs and know what they are doing.

Is there somewhere that I can see the stadiums you are referring to please?

 

[playboypaul]

This seems to me to be all getting very messy. Is there someone here who is able to give me a simple timeline of just what the hell is going on as it is all very unclear at the moment.

Something bullet pointed perhaps?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Spursidol]

More news on the regeneration of the area

http://www.24dash.com/news/housing/2013-06-10-New-chairman-for-Tottenhams-stadium-regeneration

New chairman for Tottenham's stadium regeneration

Published by Max Salsbury for 24dash.com in Housing and also in Development

Monday 10th June 2013 - 1:19pm

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Robert Evans
The Tottenham Landowners and Major Businesses Group has appointed a new chair to drive forward the delivery of up to 10,000 new homes, 5,000 new jobs and transport hubs around Spurs’ new 56,000-seater stadium.

A partner of Argent Services LLP, Robert Evans has spent the last 12 years on the team responsible for the redevelopment and regeneration of 67 acres of former railway land at King’s Cross, which has created 8 million sq ft of offices, homes and mixed-use developments.

Mr Evans (pictured) will chair the group which acts to bring together major businesses and landowners that are investing in the regeneration of Tottenham.

He has also been involved with projects to transform Birmingham city centre’s derelict canal side land into the mixed-use Brindleyplace development, as well as Manchester’s One Piccadilly Gardens, Piccadilly Place, The Hive and One St Peter’s Square.

“I am delighted and honoured to be appointed as Chair of the group and I’m excited to be working with some of the leading organisations involved in Tottenham’s regeneration," Mr Evans said.

“Tottenham has amazing potential, and with nearly £1 billion of investment already agreed, I look forward to working with the group to help transform the area.”

The Plan for Tottenham, produced in partnership with Haringey Council and the London mayor, outlines plans for homes, businesses and office space around the new Spurs stadium, along with a new town centre at Tottenham Hale.

Councillor Alan Strickland, Haringey Council’s cabinet member for economic development, said: “I’m thrilled that Robert has agreed to come on board and look forward to working with him on the once-in-a-generation opportunity we have to regenerate Tottenham.

“He brings with him decades of experience in property development, and the stunning project at King’s Cross, which has really brought the area back to life, shows his expertise.”

This is a promising development - clearly an experienced guy at major redevelopment of big areas. Looks like Harringay are going for a substantial redevelopment (Options 2 or 3 on their consultation) rather than just the Stadium Way.

 

[Spursidol]

Just a snippett - on 27 June a Special Planning Meeting has been called.
http://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/ieListMeetings.aspx?CId=728&Year=2013

Its called a Special Planning Meeting as :

'A Special Planning Sub Committee Meetings are usually set up to deal with extra business on major applications when more time is needed'.

No gurantees its about NDP but....

 

[chrissivad]

Is there somewhere that I can see the stadiums you are referring to please?

on their website. There was a link about a post up from the ones you quited

 

[Spursidol]

This seems to me to be all getting very messy. Is there someone here who is able to give me a simple timeline of just what the hell is going on as it is all very unclear at the moment.

Something bullet pointed perhaps?

Thanks in advance.

This project keeps expanding - its now about the regeneration of the Tottenham area (of which NDP is just a part - albeit a very important part to help kickstart the total project) and such projects are bound to be very complicated with many sub projects, with a number of cross dependencies

On Page 425 #8485 I tried to summarise a possible NDP timeline - note this assumes we can get to work (not necessarily spade in ground) by the end of this year, otheriwise the project start gets delayed.

The stadium designs by Populous are on their website http://populous.com/

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

This project keeps expanding - its now about the regeneration of the Tottenham area (of which NDP is just a part - albeit a very important part to help kickstart the total project) and such projects are bound to be very complicated with many sub projects, with a number of cross dependencies

On Page 425 #8485 I tried to summarise a possible NDP timeline - note this assumes we can get to work (not necessarily spade in ground) by the end of this year, otheriwise the project start gets delayed.

The stadium designs by Populous are on their website http://populous.com/

I really like the look of some of their designs

 

[spursfan77]

I bet the single tier is ditched in the re-design.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I have been very keenly watching moves on the stadium access (both the stadium way and transport links) as that has clearly been one of the constraints on stadium capacity - and its clear that both stadium access and transport links are being improved as part of the wider regeneration of Tottenham.

I'd hypothesise that the trigger for any move to increase capacity would have been progress with improved stadium access and egress. The capacity was definitely limited by the transport plan - increase the number of people who can safely be got in and out and you can improvethe capacity.

I wonder if the change from KSS to Populous is simply that most of the contractors in the proposed tender felt it would be easier to work with the world leader in stadium design (Populous) who will know the best ways to slightly increase stadium capacity and otherwise tweak the overall design, maybe slightly reducing costs without reducing quality. In other words the change is the precursor to the construction going out to tender.

That is very much was I was getting at in recent posts: contractors will want to choose their own architects, or at least to deal with a contractor-friendly architect. There would be no scope for a major reduction in cost anyway. It would be the kind of minor tweaking you are describing.

The distinction is between the club appointing a new architect to reduce costs to make the project more viable for the club, which gives the benefit of any savings to the club and also puts them in control of where savings can be made without unacceptably reducing quality, and the contractor appointing a new architect to reduce costs to make the project more profitable for the contractor, after the price for the contract has been fixed. I don't know what stage the contract procurement is at, so I can only guess. After 30+ years in development, my guess is likely to be a rather cynical one.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

Quite strange that we've still heard nothing even slightly official about this. Presumably we're still all in the dark as to whether this is a good or bad thing?

Not at all surprised mate. The club haven't exactly been forthcoming on info regarding the NDP for the last few years (in my opinion)

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

I bet the single tier is ditched in the re-design.

Would be interesting to see how the stadium redesign can incorpoarte another 5K seats with the single tier stand insitu. Stands might have to be made steeper/higher if the same footprint is to be used. I had thought a small second tier at the back of the large single tier would achieve the increase in the stadium capacity. (where the 'Tottenham Hotspur' is here:-

Double tiering that stand, like the opposite stand would take us well over 61K (in my opinion, again )

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

We could justify the '61' number as homage to the Double Side anyway .

60,610?!

 

[Spur-of-the-moment]

I bet the single tier is ditched in the re-design.

... which would be a big mistake. If you want an iconic, atmospheric stadium, then you want the single tier.

 

[dagraham]

Something else to bear in mind is that some current season ticket holders won't renew at the new stadium as they will believe that the larger capacity means they are far more likely to get a ticket. There is also price to consider. If season tickets are not attractively priced, those on the waiting list will not be so keen.

I am sceptical about the belief we can easily fill 56k -60k. Im sure we will for the big games but unless prices stay reasonable and we have a team worthy of the stadium I don't think its a given. I've been a season holder for over ten years and have been to 99% of matches over that time, including cup games and often when midweek carling cup games come around(in fact even europa league) there are large sections of empty seats. Surely, if there are 40,000 people desperate for a sason ticket they would be desperate to come?

Obviously, as others have said, a large part of the increase will go to corporate where we will make most of the dosh. Also agree that a shiny new stadium in itself will be a big attraction for fans who might otherwise not go. I wonder though whether some fans may hold off getting a season ticket in order to move around the stadium and sit in different places for the first season.

 

[CowInAComa]

I can't remember if the new stadium is 56k or 58k, which is 20 or 22k more tickets. Clearly there will be an increase in box capacity as well as club-level seats but I can't see 2/3 of them going to those seats, even 1/3 is generous.



While we can't guarantee that all 48,000 people are waiting for a ST, it's not a huge stretch. How many really want a free handbook? I didn't even know there was such a thing. I think it's fair to say that almost all of them will want a ST, it's easily the main attraction. It's not necessarily the case that they'd all want one today, some of them are possibly reserving a spot so they can get one a few seasons down the line when they expect to be able to afford it. If we're generous and say 8,000 fans don't want a ticket or wouldn't buy one until the new stadium is built, then that still leaves 40,000. That would leave us with 63,000 fans with ST if they all could have one and another 8,000 fans who probably want one and will probably come to games in the mean time.

bronze memberships gets an extra day ticket priority, and puts you on the waiting list. A lot of fans who want tickets need to be bronze but dont want season ticket.

That said, in the short term I cant see us struggling to fill it out for premiership matches at all. Maybe UEFA cup.. but then hopefully the club will recognise this and lower prices/offer incentives accordingly.. it would be nice to see the 1882 movement catch on more.

What is this free handbook?

 

[playboypaul]

I found this over on Glory Glory and don't know if this has been posted somewhere else already as it is a few weeks old but I haven't seen it so thought it might be worth posting:

edmonton on COYS:
someone : anyone heard anything on the naming rights? Qatar airways or BT for instance?

answer: Qatar the most likely out of the two.

And I know people think he is a WUM but just for conversations sake:

The man formerly known as Aqkayid, now on twitter:
BT Stadium anyone.........?

 

[spud]

edmonton on COYS:
someone : anyone heard anything on the naming rights? Qatar airways or BT for instance?

answer: Qatar the most likely out of the two.

Always good to hear what Edmonton has to say.

(It's the one thing that I miss from COYS.)

 

[RichieS]

I found this over on Glory Glory and don't know if this has been posted somewhere else already as it is a few weeks old but I haven't seen it so thought it might be worth posting:

edmonton on COYS:
someone : anyone heard anything on the naming rights? Qatar airways or BT for instance?

answer: Qatar the most likely out of the two.

And I know people think he is a WUM but just for conversations sake:

The man formerly known as Aqkayid, now on twitter:
BT Stadium anyone.........?

Neither of those are new unfortunately.

 

[markiespurs]

I found this over on Glory Glory and don't know if this has been posted somewhere else already as it is a few weeks old but I haven't seen it so thought it might be worth posting:

edmonton on COYS:
someone : anyone heard anything on the naming rights? Qatar airways or BT for instance?

answer: Qatar the most likely out of the two.

And I know people think he is a WUM but just for conversations sake:

The man formerly known as Aqkayid, now on twitter:
BT Stadium anyone.........?

With BT expanding their media services and gaining Prem rights, then it wouldn't totally surprise me if they brought the naming rights to the new ground (providing of course they are allowed to), but my money would still be on a company like Qatar airways

 

[andyp8080]

just registered my new born son as a 'dribbler'

he is number 49027 on the waiting list