New Stadium Article..Good read!!

[xtrac]

From Topspur, pinched from Newsnow, i thought it was a bloody good read with some valid points.

http://www.topspurs.com/newsnow/thfccol260308.htm


sorry if already posted.

 

[General Levy]

Who wrote the article? SpursSince57?

 

[Adam456]

Sounds a bit like him. So what does he mean about this temp stand of 5,000 whilst building the new stand in the same place ??

 

[millhouse]

That is spot on.

I only drive to the Lane when I have to ie Boxing Day and I have to say since the CPZ came into effect and the trains having 8 carriages I have had no problems getting onto the train at Seven Sisters, most of the time you even get to sit down.

 

[SpurSince57]

Sounds a bit like him. So what does he mean about this temp stand of 5,000 whilst building the new stand in the same place ??

Demolish the existing West Stand and erect a temporary stand in its place, then build a fuck-off new West Stand in the space between the existing one and the High Road.

 

[General Levy]

SS57,

Did you write the article?

Also, surely the pitch would be too far away?

 

[SpurSince57]

No.

Not necessarily. I imagine the temporary stand could be replaced by a permanent structure that would form the lower tiers of the new stand. You'd need someone with architectural training to confirm that, but I don't see why it shouldn't be possible.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

And while the rotten tailbacks of the North Circ and the M25 cannot be discounted, these have as much to do with the wider issue of road use than Spurs; people get stuck in traffic jams because there are too many vehicles on the road, not because Tottenham’s ground is in the ‘wrong’ place.

Not entirely true - it's been calculated that if everyone drove by the book, stuck to speed limits and observed the rules, and if there were no roadworks or natural disasters, the current road system could comfortably handle three times the number of motors it currently does.

It's because so many people drive like wankers and contractors don't think that we have congestion at all :shrug:

 

[Yid-ol]

Not entirely true - it's been calculated that if everyone drove by the book, stuck to speed limits and observed the rules, and if there were no roadworks or natural disasters, the current road system could comfortably handle three times the number of motors it currently does.

It's because so many people drive like wankers and contractors don't think that we have congestion at all :shrug:

or if they upped the speed limits, the cars would get tehre quicker, meaning less cars on the road at one point... i think i may be onto something here...

 

[Rocksuperstar]

or if they upped the speed limits, the cars would get tehre quicker, meaning less cars on the road at one point... i think i may be onto something here...

dunno if it still works but back when i was a nipper, going down Southend or out into wildest Essex along the A12, if you caught the first set of lights on green and stayed at a steady 45mph, you caught every set you passed on green - we later decided, using our f*cked up maths, that must also mean that doing the run at a steady 90 would achieve the same results but my mate tipped his Granada into a ditch before we could test it...

 

[Gin+Tonic14]

Unfortunately people our stadium development is now a victim of the current credit crunch. This effects numerous fundamental facets of devising a suitable plan as the price of steel, borrowing, lenders and other materials are now questionable. This is despite our current 'healthy' economic standpoint. And before anyone questions this analysis, for my sins I work in the square mile

 

[theburtonshelf]

or if they upped the speed limits, the cars would get tehre quicker, meaning less cars on the road at one point... i think i may be onto something here...

AND cause were spending less time on the roads we produce less pollution. I tell you, this is the basis for a new transport policy! (Says he who wrote a car off on the m1 2 weeks ago tomorrow!)

Back on topic that is a nice article, would be very interested to know if ppl who new about these sorts of things thought it possible.

On the subject of parking and traffic i maintain that if you do your homework and experiment a bit it aint all that bad. As an example, I live 120 miles, roughly, from whl, for the psv match i was home at 1203 and id stopped at toddington. the only thing i did was move to the gangway so i could get away on the final whistle, and admittedly i drove rather fast but only cause i was able to, didnt hit a single bit of traffic. its rarely later than 1230 when im home and when it is its generally cause of those bloody widening works on the m1!

so as i said, the article has it bang on, its a myth that has become accepted as fact that you cant get to whl. hell that survey the other month that solidified the whole thing had bolton next after us. the place is right next to the motorway, as long as you avoid the offical away car park its easy to get away from. and that is possibly my longest ever post!

 

[Darrkespur]

Unfortunately people our stadium development is now a victim of the current credit crunch. This effects numerous fundamental facets of devising a suitable plan as the price of steel, borrowing, lenders and other materials are now questionable. This is despite our current 'healthy' economic standpoint. And before anyone questions this analysis, for my sins I work in the square mile

Ain't that the truth. At least the desire for board members to convert WHL to expensive condos will have receded for a good few years...

Arsenal built Ashburton Grove at just the right time. You could say the same about Wembley. Financing for real estate was better than it's possibly ever been. I think both Everton and Liverpool will have the economy bite them in the ass before the end of their prospective moves. They may still move but the amount of money they were counting on for redevelopments on the site of Goodison and Anfield will have dropped dramatically in the last few months - and will probably plummet further.

This bird, I fear, has flown the coop for a couple of years at least whilst financiers try to avoid the D and the I words (depression or inflation, which would you rather?)

 

[General Levy]

Unfortunately people our stadium development is now a victim of the current credit crunch. This effects numerous fundamental facets of devising a suitable plan as the price of steel, borrowing, lenders and other materials are now questionable. This is despite our current 'healthy' economic standpoint. And before anyone questions this analysis, for my sins I work in the square mile

 

[BoringOldFan]

Interesting but for me it has some naive assumptions.

build another couple of tiers to line up with the new West Stand

I'm guessing the author isn't an engineer. Chuck on a couple tiers just like that? I don't think so.

At the same time, the club could work with local and regional authorities to improve transport in the area, chiefly an upgrade and extension of the Victoria line that could lead to a new Tube stop at Northumberland Park.

These discussions have been going on for years with no favourable outcome for Spurs. There was a document posted on here last month saying that the cost of this development made it unworkable.

the club could provide additional affordable parking space on the land it now owns to the north of Paxton Road

Oh yes. Because we need more cars in the area on match days. That's why the local council brought in a CPZ!

This plan is no doubt riddled with architectural, design, financial and planning flaws.

You said it!

But that’s not the same as saying it can’t be done.

Maybe not, but it's as close as makes no difference.

 

[SpurSince57]

The tube extension is a no-no. There used to be a link to a PDF file which detailed the discussions about this, but it no longer seems to exist. However, TFL brought out a whole raft of objections that included cost, operating problems and economic viability.

A new West Stand probably is one of the few viable options in the current economic climate, however.

 

[DC_Boy]

I remember thinking along the lines of piecemeal development about 5 years ago when from memory we had permission to develop the East stand - but I'm no architect or planner so what do I know -

I also remember Levy (I think) being quoted as saying the cost would be very high (can't remember the figures, and if he was quoted correctly, but they were eye watering and wallet tightening)

five or so years later we've missed out on a lot of revenue and a lot of fans have missed some big games as the stadium has stayed 'small'

I also remember Levy being worried that football's popularity might wane and that 36,000 might be ok (again may be wrong on this)

in hindsight, it seems my gut and completely amateur instinct to go piecemeal was the correct one, but there we are, i'm not running a multi-million pound business, and probably quite rightly too

I was also saying for at least the last 18 months or longer that temporary ground share was a no-no and there lots disagreeing with me on that - coming up with West Ham Wembley Twickenham whatever, well I still say it's a no-no and I think the board is thinking simialarly these days (of course playing a couple of big games at Wembley say like AFC did is not what I'm against)

 

[AngerManagement]

Maybe the West Stand is more viable to knock down and rebuild, but the East Stand needs drastic redesign (What with the stupid poles)

 

[xtrac]

Personally, an ideal location for me would be at the bottom of Lea Valley road (cant think of the road name) you have a new Tescos built there, industrial units, Travis Perkins etc its not to far from the high road. Trains run down the length of Lea Valley Road, would it be that difficult to put a station somewhere along that route?? It would also benefit the large cinema complex?? You could even consider Lea Valley Road itself. Routes in via car would be easier thats for sure, giving possibilities to come via Waltham Abbey turn off>> Chingford>>Nags head road. Enfield A10 Nags Head Rd. Waltham Cross>>Lea Valley Rd, and of course the North Circ, Access via the A12 A13 M11. Parking! wouldnt take much to extend the cinema complex car park, or indeed buy the land next to it and use that as a designated parking area. And of course what with the new training facilities being built, this would be within easy acess to the stadium itself, A10>> Nags Head Rd>> Lea Valley Rd. Congestion, yep there will be some but isnt there always in London, Thats my view anyway, not everyones cup off tea granted, and in a ideal world id say never leave the lane, but this unfortunately is reality, and a move looks the only viable option, the only way a move would work would be to keep the new Stadium in TOTTENHAM, and at the bottom of lea valley road, brings you into Tottenham, so i would look at those areas personally, ive heard rumours off Hertford Enfield etc etc but its not Tottenham is it!!!

 

[brasil_spur]

Excellent article, seriously looks at all the issues. I see no reason at all why we can't enlarge the current stadium, surely it would be no more expensive than building a new one from scratch, would be less inconvenient for most supporters than ground sharing with someone else.

Ok so the transport is a bit lame, but surely we could come to a decent arrangement with the council on this, perhaps some kind of spurs stadium bus service for match days.

Would much rather we redevlop the lane (and not sell of the name rights), we can even redvelop some of the land we have been buying up for parking or similar.