Martin Jol v Harry Redknapp: Their Spurs Records Compared

[THFC6061]

Yesterday was Harry Redknapp's 114th Premier League game in charge of Tottenham Hotspur, which equals the number of games Martin Jol was in charge for.

So how do their records compare?

MARTIN JOL
Played: 114
Won: 47
Drawn: 30
Lost: 37
Goals For: 169
Goals Against: 148
Goal Difference: +21
Points Won: 171
Average Points per Game: 1.5 (57 per full season)
Win Percentage: 41.23%

HARRY REDKNAPP
Played: 114
Won: 56
Drawn: 29
Lost: 29
Goals For: 175
Goals Against: 133
Goal Difference: +42
Points Won: 197
Average Points per Game: 1.73 (66 per full season)
Win Percentage: 49.12%

Harry's record, statistically speaking, is the best of any Spurs manager since the club joined the Football League in 1908.

Harry has five more matches to go before he equals Gerry Francis' record total of 119 Premier League matches in charge of Spurs.

Tottenham Hotspur Manager's Records 1898-2011

 

[Narnill]

Decent stats, but Jol laid the foundations.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Jol was a top bloke,but not a top manager imo.

We finished in respectable positions with jol, but were never feared the way we are now.

 

[yido_number1]

I think we have built fairly steadilly since Santini first (aside the slide in the latter part of Ramos) came in... The next manager we have (If Redknapp goes) will be the most important signing over the last 40 years.

 

[garyhopkins]

Jol was a top bloke,but not a top manager imo.

We finished in respectable positions with jol, but were never feared the way we are now.

Jol's team would have been feared more if he had Modric and VDV, not forgetting a rampaging Bale!

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Decent stats, but Jol laid the foundations.

For Ramos, that's where it went wrong.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Jol's team would have been feared more if he had Modric and VDV, not forgetting a rampaging Bale!

If Harry had Berbatov we might have finished higher than 4th. You could do that all day.

 

[Graysonti]

Arry better than Jol

No question

 

[AngerManagement]

Its difficult to compare, kind of like trying to figure out who would have won a fight Tyson vs Ali or Joe Louis vs Lennox Lewis for example.

Redknapp clearly has the better team/squad to work with, but then Jol also faced less competition over all (the league in general is much stronger now)

Tactically both of them are hardly geniuses, they both keep it fairly simple and their main quality is man management and keeping egos in check for the harmony of the squad and generating team spirit (but then Ramos was supposedly a master tactician and that didn't work out too well)

Obviously Redknapp has the better record and has actually attained fourth place and won the big games (some) Jol's team usually flopped when it came to the crunch i.e. away to Chelsea and Arsenal in the run in, where as Harry's team were able to beat both at home and Man CIty away in a very difficult run in for the same objective Jol missed out on.

Would Redknapp have done better than Jol with Jol's squad against the level of opposition Jol faced? Would Jol be doing better now if he had the type of quality Redknapp has to work with against a generally higher level of opponent?

Its not something that can be answered with anything more than opinion really, my personal one is that Redknapp is the better over all manager both had very good sides proportionate to the competition they faced and if Jol was in charge now we probably wouldn't be doing as well as we are and have been.

Just my opinion of course.

 

[kungfugrip]

Its difficult to compare, kind of like trying to figure out who would have won a fight Tyson vs Ali or Joe Louis vs Lennox Lewis for example.

Redknapp clearly has the better team/squad to work with, but then Jol also faced less competition over all (the league in general is much stronger now)

Tactically both of them are hardly geniuses, they both keep it fairly simple and their main quality is man management and keeping egos in check for the harmony of the squad and generating team spirit (but then Ramos was supposedly a master tactician and that didn't work out too well)

Obviously Redknapp has the better record and has actually attained fourth place and won the big games (some) Jol's team usually flopped when it came to the crunch i.e. away to Chelsea and Arsenal in the run in, where as Harry's team were able to beat both at home and Man CIty away in a very difficult run in for the same objective Jol missed out on.

Would Redknapp have done better than Jol with Jol's squad against the level of opposition Jol faced? Would Jol be doing better now if he had the type of quality Redknapp has to work with against a generally higher level of opponent?

Its not something that can be answered with anything more than opinion really, my personal one is that Redknapp is the better over all manager both had very good sides proportionate to the competition they faced and if Jol was in charge now we probably wouldn't be doing as well as we are and have been.

Just my opinion of course.

I'd have to go along with most of this.

Harry has also chalked up an impressive number of wins / good draws against Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City since taking over. For years the only great result / win against a top four side was the day Lennon scored to beat Chelsea 2-1 at The Lane (2006). We have a genuine belief that we can beat those teams now. I'm craving for a victory against Man Utd. This could be the year that happens as well.............

 

[tRiKS]

the whole club has evolved. Harry had undoubtedly benefitted from having more money and a higher wage bill than Jol, but Jol had more Ledley King and he had Berbatov. Wande Ramos's exceptional cup win also has a great deal to do with where we are now as a club, especially in relation to the resutls we now get V everyone (except UTD)

Statistically Harry is the best of the lot but all the recent managers before him have had a hand in it. This trend will contiune when Ancellotti or Mourhino takes over.

 

[Legend10]

Fulham beware, you are not in safe hands!

 

[jurgenthegreat]

not going to say who is a better manager (jol of course)

what i will say is that Jol started it all and we would not be were we are now if it was not for him

 

[AngerManagement]

not going to say who is a better manager (jol of course)

what i will say is that Jol started it all and we would not be were we are now if it was not for him

I am not sure I really agree with that

Levy was spending money, the most money outside of the top four (and probably more than some of the top four) and I suspect that even had Jol not been in charge the money spent and players bought would have lead us to the same path as Levy would have found the right man for the right job at some point.

Edit: Dare I say we are where we are today more because of Arneson and then Cammoli and the players they brought in to the club than what Jol did for us in my opinion.

Let's see how well Jol does at Fulham, Hodgeson and Hughes both did very well with Fulham and Jol arguably has a better squad there than either of them had.....maybe jol will lay foundations for them to be where we are now soon ay?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

not going to say who is a better manager (jol of course)

what i will say is that Jol started it all and we would not be were we are now if it was not for him

What??

How??

 

[Spurs_Bear]

the whole club has evolved. Harry had undoubtedly benefitted from having more money and a higher wage bill than Jol, but Jol had more Ledley King and he had Berbatov. Wande Ramos's exceptional cup win also has a great deal to do with where we are now as a club, especially in relation to the resutls we now get V everyone (except UTD)

Statistically Harry is the best of the lot but all the recent managers before him have had a hand in it. This trend will contiune when Ancellotti or Mourhino takes over.

Really?

It was a monumental day, but we then went into freefall, lost our two best strikers in the following months, and the competition is now so devalued that not even Championship clubs put out their strongest teams in it. Us beating Chelsea in the final should have put the competition back on the map.

 

[Pauleta01]

I know Harry is not everyone's cup of tea, but how anyone can doubt his ability or even dare to say Jol laid the foundations is unreal. The team we have now play with a pace and a style that was not seen under Jol, if anything Jol was found wanting in the big games something Harry has seem to take in his stride. I love the style of this current team with pace on the width and guile and craft in the middle. The team we have at the moment who are down to Jol? Bale? (not really) Kaboul (was sold and was never wanted by Jol as Jol went on record saying he wanted Mexes or Chivu instead). Lennon (Yes) and the rest have been purchased post Jol. Harry has given us a balance we have not had for 20 years and if anything the stats put Jol closer to Harry than he really was. I loved Big Martin Jol, but not in the same class as Harry.

 

[Spursidol]

Its difficult to compare, kind of like trying to figure out who would have won a fight Tyson vs Ali or Joe Louis vs Lennox Lewis for example.

Redknapp clearly has the better team/squad to work with, but then Jol also faced less competition over all (the league in general is much stronger now)

Tactically both of them are hardly geniuses, they both keep it fairly simple and their main quality is man management and keeping egos in check for the harmony of the squad and generating team spirit (but then Ramos was supposedly a master tactician and that didn't work out too well)

Obviously Redknapp has the better record and has actually attained fourth place and won the big games (some) Jol's team usually flopped when it came to the crunch i.e. away to Chelsea and Arsenal in the run in, where as Harry's team were able to beat both at home and Man CIty away in a very difficult run in for the same objective Jol missed out on.

Would Redknapp have done better than Jol with Jol's squad against the level of opposition Jol faced? Would Jol be doing better now if he had the type of quality Redknapp has to work with against a generally higher level of opponent?

Its not something that can be answered with anything more than opinion .

The above is pretty factual.

Before Jol, Spurs had not finished in 5th or above for many years. Under Jol Spurs achieved in twice (and might have got 4th apart from Lasagnegate) - at the time a good achievement for Spurs.

Did Jol buy the players - no ! Aaanesen bought about 25 players in one extraordinary transfer window - remember funtime Fridays ? Jol had joined the club as a (posssibly unwanted) coach to work for Santini who had his own set up. What Jol did after being dumped into the job as manager at short notice was to get a load of players who had not played before to work together as a team, bringing the best out of the players he had such as rejuvenating Carrick - that was Jol's big achievement - and its then easier to add to an existing team than create one from scratch.

From those beginnings Spurs were able to sell Carrick and then Berbatov/Keane for large sums of money and continually improve the overall squad - remember Spurs spent almost £100m on players when Ramos came in and another almost £100m when Redknapp came in - plus Spurs are now bringing through a bunch of good youngsters to add to the squad.

So to come back - its not possible to guess whether Jol would have done better with the current squad or whether Harry would have been able to do as well as Jol did. However Spurs are in a lot better position now than they were 5 years ago, and that is what I care about.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Jol's team would have been feared more if he had Modric and VDV, not forgetting a rampaging Bale!

If my auntie had bollocks she would have been my uncle.

 

[Phil_2.0]

Redknapp is a great manager, better than Jol by a long way.