Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[mill]

You may well be right, but it's shite.

The same people calling Ange naive and so on are more than likely the same ones admiring Arsenal for sticking with their man and getting rewarded.

Nothing worthwhile was achieved quickly - even City took a while to spend their billions well, but for us anything other than instant success justifies the spouting of so much nonsense.

I’ve called him naive a couple of times but I don’t want him gone, I just want to to learn and adapt to the pl, I have no problem with weaknesses at this stage but it’s important we learn from our mistakes and improve

 

[E17yid]

Such is the fickleness of your average supporter, on 12th May you will have Man U supporters hoping they lose at home to Arsenal so that it might stop City winning the league and on 14th May Spurs supporters hoping that we lose at home to City to stop Arsenal.

Anyway Ange needs our support and that of the club.

If he loses against City he can stay. Beat them and I want him gone.

 

[Japhet]

Have just read that we've conceded 14 goals from corners this season. 14!!!! That's diabolical and has to be dealt with. Get rid of this zonal marking bullshit and stop opponents from getting to Vicario. Fuck me, it's not rocket science!

 

[E17yid]

Have just read that we've conceded 14 goals from corners this season. 14!!!! That's diabolical and has to be dealt with. Get rid of this zonal marking bullshit and stop opponents from getting to Vicario. Fuck me, it's not rocket science!

I swear it was on here that I read some crazy stat that was something like we won 3 headers from 20 odd corners or something. I could be inventing this but mad if even remotely true.

 

[Japhet]

I swear it was on here that I read some crazy stat that was something like we won 3 headers from 20 odd corners or something. I could be inventing this but mad if even remotely true.

Sounds about right to me. Our players seem to be rooted to the spot when corners come in, so the only way they're going to 'win' a header is if everyone else misses it and it hits them on the bonce.

 

[spurs mental]

Have just read that we've conceded 14 goals from corners this season. 14!!!! That's diabolical and has to be dealt with. Get rid of this zonal marking bullshit and stop opponents from getting to Vicario. Fuck me, it's not rocket science!

If we halved that number our GD becomes so much healthier. And our goals conceded per game goes from 1.57 to 1.33. That's massive improvement from 1.65 last season. And probably equates to about 6 points more, at least over a season. (Guessing that number not based on actual fact)

 

[EQP]

Have just read that we've conceded 14 goals from corners this season. 14!!!! That's diabolical and has to be dealt with. Get rid of this zonal marking bullshit and stop opponents from getting to Vicario. Fuck me, it's not rocket science!

I am nowhere near Ange out but I'm concerned when I see these types of stats and then I hear him in the post-match press conference confirm that he's not really concerned about that.

I get that his overall main priority is working to instill his style of play into the players and team but we have enough data to show that how they're currently setting up the players for set-pieces is and has not been effective.

Why not take a small win by rectifying this and give the players enough tools to utilize in the game. Teams will continue to target us in during set-pieces unless we fix up on that end.

 

[Metalhead]

I am nowhere near Ange out but I'm concerned when I see these types of stats and then I hear him in the post-match press conference confirm that he's not really concerned about that.

I get that his overall main priority is working to instill his style of play into the players and team but we have enough data to show that how they're currently setting up the players for set-pieces is and has not been effective.

Why not take a small win by rectifying this and give the players enough tools to utilize in the game. Teams will continue to target us in during set-pieces unless we fix up on that end.

I wouldn't necessarily take what he says in public as being his private feelings on issues.

 

[spurs mental]

I wouldn't necessarily take what he says in public as being his private feelings on issues.

Yeah, I think part of the issue is we've had a few managers throw the majority under the bus and not take responsibility since before Poch left.

There are no riddles or agendas in what he says.

We haven't had a straight talking manager for about 4 years (2019) and now we have Ange who says all these lovely things and it's easy to identify with, he's just a normal guy and he gets the fans, it's easy to take him at face value, but he's probably just protecting the players, better than we've had for a long time.

 

[TOLBINY]

But he didn't bring any success here. In order to do that, we would have had to break the bank massively (which isn't sustainable) and stick to playing rather tedious football to boot.

I'm all for the tedious football, provided we win, but its fucking awful when we lose. And as someone else put it, after Nuno and Mourinho, it got even more tedious with Conte in.

Proven winners have been proven to not bring success at Spurs, so something had to change.

Leicester's outlier title win aside, there is no blueprint for a manager leading a team to glory on a shoestring. So we have a manager with years of experience at levels below the Prem and we expect him to achieve what exactly with a limited budget? It's asking for a miracle almost.

I posted last year under Conte and more recently under Ange that if we accept the fact our budget is limited then we need to give a manager several windows (5 - 6) to assemble the squad he wants and then we demand glory.

 

[mano-obe]

Age discrimination much

Ange discrimination

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I wouldn't necessarily take what he says in public as being his private feelings on issues.

This.

 

[mil1lion]

Leicester's outlier title win aside, there is no blueprint for a manager leading a team to glory on a shoestring. So we have a manager with years of experience at levels below the Prem and we expect him to achieve what exactly with a limited budget? It's asking for a miracle almost.

I posted last year under Conte and more recently under Ange that if we accept the fact our budget is limited then we need to give a manager several windows (5 - 6) to assemble the squad he wants and then we demand glory.

We're outspending most. It's nonsense to suggest we don't spend aside from that period under Poch while building the stadium. It's the quality of what we spent on until more recently.

3) Arsenal: £-550.53m
23/24: £-145.2m
22/23: £-144.08m (2nd)
21/22: £-116.25m (5th)
20/21: £-57.14m (8th)
19/20: £-91.59m (8th)

4) Tottenham: £-459.4m
23/24: £-132.83m
22/23: £-118.93m (8th)
21/22: £-52.38m (4th)
20/21: £-83.08m (7th)
19/20: £-73.5m (6th)

9) Liverpool: £-221.44m
23/24: £-95.24m
22/23: £-48.38m (5th)
21/22: £-49.1m (2nd)
20/21: £-57.14m (3rd)
19/20: £32.14m (Champions)

6) Manchester City: £-326.67m
23/24: £-116.7m
22/23: £9.97m (Champions)
21/22: £-38.55m (Champions)
20/21: £-93.5m (Champions)
19/20: £-81.9m (2nd)

 

[RuskyM]

Yeah, I think part of the issue is we've had a few managers throw the majority under the bus and not take responsibility since before Poch left.

There are no riddles or agendas in what he says.

We haven't had a straight talking manager for about 4 years (2019) and now we have Ange who says all these lovely things and it's easy to identify with, he's just a normal guy and he gets the fans, it's easy to take him at face value, but he's probably just protecting the players, better than we've had for a long time.

I know it's beside the point here and I love Poch, but I would argue we've not had a manager who's not spoke in riddles or self-promoting bluster since...BMJ? Maybe?

Ange reminds me a lot of Jol in many ways actually - never really know what you're going to get but you know it won't be for lack of trying. His first season was incredibly up and down too. God, what a bloke.

 

[McFlash]

I know it's beside the point here and I love Poch, but I would argue we've not had a manager who's not spoke in riddles or self-promoting bluster since...BMJ? Maybe?

Ange reminds me a lot of Jol in many ways actually - never really know what you're going to get but you know it won't be for lack of trying. His first season was incredibly up and down too. God, what a bloke.

I was about to say the same.
Poch was far from straight talking and by the last year or two of his reign, I didn't have a clue what he was talking about half the time.

While Ange is a lot easier to listen to than most, I don't think we should take him saying to the media that he isn't bothered, as him actually not being bothered.

 

[TOLBINY]

Have just read that we've conceded 14 goals from corners this season. 14!!!! That's diabolical and has to be dealt with. Get rid of this zonal marking bullshit and stop opponents from getting to Vicario. Fuck me, it's not rocket science!

I think it is set pieces which includes free kicks (Villa at home Everton away spring to mind). 14 goals out of 52 is 26.9% so over a quarter of our goals conceded from set pieces!

 

[bubble07]

Finding it very very frustrating that we have a known issue with vicario and set pieces yet we seem too stubborn to address it. It's actually pathetic. Why don't we have someone between the keeper and the arsehole who's only purpose is to disrupt the keeper?

I'm asking the question but there's no logical answer

 

[bubble07]

If he carries on with zonal marking you might find he will have a problem making 2 years let alone 4!

Would be interesting if there was an article on every teams set piece defending. How many man for man and how many zonal.

At Sunday league level which is the level I'm at we do man marking but if one of us losing our man and they get a free header it's not great either

Think zonal is probably the best approach but you need players who can attack the ball. We seem to let the ball come to us which doesn't help in zonal

 

[EQP]

I wouldn't necessarily take what he says in public as being his private feelings on issues.

I would certainly take that view if this was the first time he spoke about set-pieces, but he's been pretty consistent on the topic.

I see no reason to start doubting his feelings/views on the "issue" when his entire brand coming into the league has revolved around a high level of transparency about his ethos, priorities and life.

WIth all of that said, actions speak louder words. Teams are going to continue to target us during set pieces and we'll either see improvement or we won't. I hope it's the former.

 

[bubble07]

I think he’ll definitely want to stay for a 3rd year if we’re still struggling but whether he’ll get it or not will depend on how well we do in his second season guess.

I don’t think he’s in it for the long haul to be honest but that’s just a gut feeling more than anything else. I know he’s said some stuff about not liking to stay in a job long but you make a good point, this is a different job and he may change his attitude accordingly.

I think he will stay for a while. I don't think he fits the profile for teams abroad