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Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

chippospur

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Come off it , we 100% had success under Jol, Redknapp and Poch. So you think only trophies equals success? We may want and even think we should be winning things but that doesn't mean we haven't had success by getting into Europe for 14 straight seasons. Everyone wants more until you win everything, even then you probably want to win it all again. You can still be satisfied what what you've achieved while wanting more.
Just curious, what do you classify as 100% success?
 

SpursSince1980

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Keeping Mason is a smart move and not impulsive. Shows he is self actualized and needs someone like Mason to help immediately build a bridge with the players. As he knows he is inheriting a fractured and unhappy group of individuals. Mason can share his POV and provide historical context. Help hasten the trust process. Like Conte did. But in this case I would‘nt be surprised if Mase has a bigger leadership role.

I guarantee you JN, De Zerbi, Enrique, probably even Slot would have likely felt threatened by Mason strong connections with everyone at the club. Seeing him as an insider that could undermine them. Whereas Ange sees the connections as a plus and is mature enough to understand how to ultimately helps everyone. Selfless, pragmatic, and smart decision. Says a lot about his own ethical compass.

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SUIYHA

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If Tanguy started to work hard and get about on the pitch, he’d be one of the best players in the prem…

We've been saying that since he joined us four years ago. Five successive Spurs managers plus two on loan at Lyon and Napoli have all tried and all failed.

Maybe Ange is the one to unlock his obvious potential but I'm not holding my breath.
 

Timberwolf

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A bit worried kennedy isn’t with him now
He usually has different staff at every club so I don't think it's too concerning. Certainly not a Gerrard @ Rangers situation where the number 2 is apparently calling most of the shots.
 

EireYid

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I will never understand how people can believe a professional athlete doesn't want to do the thing they've dedicated their lives to. If they didn't want to do it, they'd have quit long before becoming professional. Sometimes you get a Dele case where you just fall out of love, but this notion that a professional athlete has stumbled into the top echelons of football without the want or ability to play football has never made sense to me.
I believe Benoit Assou-Ekotto came out before and said he doesn't really play football because he loves it or has a passion for it but simply because he was good at it and was well paid. Something along them lines anyway..
 

McFlash

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A bit worried kennedy isn’t with him now
Why? He's only worked with him for the last two years, so it's not like he's been a continuous and important staff member of Ange's rise.
If one thing stands out about Postecoglou, it's that he doesn't feel the need to surround himself with people.
He'll learn, grow and adapt to whatever, while bringing people up with him.
 

arnoldlayne

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This stands out from that article:

"Every day is an excuse to get better. Why do you train? You don't train just to say 'I've trained for a couple of hours' and that's it. You train to try to get better. In any other sport that's how it happens and football is no different as far as I'm concerned," he said.

"If somebody wins the Masters in golf then the next day they're out there on the putting green practising their putting. Why are you practising your putting when you're the best golfer in the world? It's because that's what they have to do because they know fine margins are what make you better.

"Tennis players out there practising their serve or backhand. Footballers are no different. You come in every day and that period when you're out in the field or in the gym, or that period when you're sitting down with your coach going through your video, is an opportunity to improve.

"You're not going to improve a lot [in a single day] but just a little bit. So if you do that every day then that becomes part of who you are. Just walking in, doing your training, getting your bag and going home? No, every day is an opportunity to improve, for me, the players and everyone. So how do I continue to improve a team? By continuously focusing on that."
 

Cornpattbuck

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Cornpattbuck

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I believe Benoit Assou-Ekotto came out before and said he doesn't really play football because he loves it or has a passion for it but simply because he was good at it and was well paid. Something along them lines anyway..

Yeah, but he played absolutely to the top of his ability on game day... Tanguy, rarely... Dele, no longer, sadly...
 

only1waddle

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Why? He's only worked with him for the last two years, so it's not like he's been a continuous and important staff member of Ange's rise.
If one thing stands out about Postecoglou, it's that he doesn't feel the need to surround himself with people.
He'll learn, grow and adapt to whatever, while bringing people up with him.

It could actually be quite beneficial as Kennedy is quoted by Postecoglou as doing all the organisation leading up to games, not saying it's imperative we get him but if it means the coaching staff aligned with working methods more quickly it makes sense.
 

Shanks

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Come off it , we 100% had success under Jol, Redknapp and Poch. So you think only trophies equals success? We may want and even think we should be winning things but that doesn't mean we haven't had success by getting into Europe for 14 straight seasons. Everyone wants more until you win everything, even then you probably want to win it all again. You can still be satisfied what what you've achieved while wanting more.
I don’t disagree as such, but I wouldn’t hammer home getting into Europe as success.
I’d say it was more successful than previous seasons and certainly closed the gap, but it should have been a launching pad to challenge for titles/trophies etc.

the issue I have is it never did, we have won fuck all.

seemingly settled for top four mentality and spinning it as success. Successful financially, granted, but still a bit of a joke amongst the rest of the league in terms of our fans shouting out how great we are, when we’ve only ever finished in the top four as shouting as being successful.

for me that’s loser mentality.

success should be determined by winning.

doing well and above expectations is getting into Europe, depending on what team you support of course.
 

The Scarecrow

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We've been saying that since he joined us four years ago. Five successive Spurs managers plus two on loan at Lyon and Napoli have all tried and all failed.

Maybe Ange is the one to unlock his obvious potential but I'm not holding my breath.
I won't be holding my breath either, but I do think it's worth noting that there's a significant difference between ages 22 and 26. Maybe he has matured.
 

Styopa

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I don’t disagree as such, but I wouldn’t hammer home getting into Europe as success.
I’d say it was more successful than previous seasons and certainly closed the gap, but it should have been a launching pad to challenge for titles/trophies etc.

the issue I have is it never did, we have won fuck all.

seemingly settled for top four mentality and spinning it as success. Successful financially, granted, but still a bit of a joke amongst the rest of the league in terms of our fans shouting out how great we are, when we’ve only ever finished in the top four as shouting as being successful.

for me that’s loser mentality.

success should be determined by winning.

doing well and above expectations is getting into Europe, depending on what team you support of course.

In fairness, we did challenge for trophies under Redknapp and Pochettino and even the title. We were in numerous finals and semi-finals, including the final of the biggest club football competition of them all.
It's not like we weren't challenging or didn't come close to winning something during that period. True, we squandered some great opportunities but weren't just coasting to fourth position every year.

We also played some glorious football- which is part of being successful for me too. It can't simply be a binary thing of winning trophies = success and not winning trophies= no success. If that were the case, most teams - including Tottenham for most of its history- are never successful.

If Postecoglou can replicate what Redknapp and Pochettino achieved, he will have been a successful appointment.
 

jimmy-jojo

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Keeping Mason is a smart move and not impulsive. Shows he is self actualized and needs someone like Mason to help immediately build a bridge with the players. As he knows he is inheriting a fractured and unhappy group of individuals. Mason can share his POV and provide historical context. Help hasten the trust process. Like Conte did. But in this case I would‘nt be surprised if Mase has a bigger leadership role.

I guarantee you JN, De Zerbi, Enrique, probably even Slot would have likely felt threatened by Mason strong connections with everyone at the club. Seeing him as an insider that could undermine them. Whereas Ange sees the connections as a plus and is mature enough to understand how to ultimately helps everyone. Selfless, pragmatic, and smart decision. Says a lot about his own ethical compass.

Like it.

I actually disagree with this. What is needed is a clean sweep. Mason will be a remnant of the ‘Spursy’ mentality that has infected the club for the last two decades.
 
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