Lloyd Kelly

[Tucker]

Seems a reasonable path to take, once Dier leaves we can move for Kelly, be that now or in six months time.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

We've done this before though where we hung onto a player too long when we could have got a fee. I can't see Kelly being a massive downgrade on BD, I think he's an upgrade. Also, I think he can cover Udogie better than BD or Sess. We will run Udogie into the ground otherwise.

I don't think we are going to get much if anything for Davies, if he goes it will probably be for a free at the end of his contract as he doesn't have much time left. I also can't see Ange being in any hurry to get rid of him considering how well he has been performing and how dependable he is. Kelly will probably be an upgrade on him and as I said, im not saying we shouldn't get him. I think it will remain to be seen if he's better at playing at LB then Davies, he does look good on the ball for a defender but we will need to see how he does in this system before saying he is better then Davies or that we don't need another true LB option who is strong on the attacking part of the game as well.

What is going to be the case is that its going to be very hard for Phillips, Dorrignton and Vuskovic, when he comes, to break into that back line.

 

[BENNO]

Can Kelly actually cover LB in our system? Is he good enough on the ball to play in the narrow areas, resist pressure and progress the ball?

Covering LB for us is wildly different to covering it at other clubs due to our system.

Glad someone else picked up on this point as i've seen it mentioned plenty of times. Massive difference playing as a left (or right back) in our system than in a traditional back 4 - my hunch is that he can't play there in our system and we will definitely be looking for a back up to Udogie in the summer (unless Sess, who i reckon could play there, has a Lazurus like recovery of both fitness and form, which is massively doubtful.....but would be lovely to see).

 

[mil1lion]

We've done this before though where we hung onto a player too long when we could have got a fee. I can't see Kelly being a massive downgrade on BD, I think he's an upgrade. Also, I think he can cover Udogie better than BD or Sess. We will run Udogie into the ground otherwise.

This is the thing with Davies. He's doing well now but what if he drops off in a year or 2. I remember the drop for the likes of Lloris, Vertonghen, Dembele and Alderweireld. Then you sell them because they're not good enough but you're playing them a tthe end and the team is weaker for it. We need to refresh at times even if a player is looking decent. At the end of the day Davies is always a good pro but he's not going to be the difference between winning titles. We need to stop thinking about good squad players and think whether a player is genuine competition for a starting place. Milner is doing a decent job still but Liverpool sold him and moved on.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

This is the thing with Davies. He's doing well now but what if he drops off in a year or 2. I remember the drop for the likes of Lloris, Vertonghen, Dembele and Alderweireld. Then you sell them because they're not good enough but you're playing them a tthe end and the team is weaker for it. We need to refresh at times even if a player is looking decent. At the end of the day Davies is always a good pro but he's not going to be the difference between winning titles. We need to stop thinking about good squad players and think whether a player is genuine competition for a starting place. Milner is doing a decent job still but Liverpool sold him and moved on.

Exactly he will drop off sooner rather than later let's get some money and Refresh

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

This is the thing with Davies. He's doing well now but what if he drops off in a year or 2. I remember the drop for the likes of Lloris, Vertonghen, Dembele and Alderweireld. Then you sell them because they're not good enough but you're playing them a tthe end and the team is weaker for it. We need to refresh at times even if a player is looking decent. At the end of the day Davies is always a good pro but he's not going to be the difference between winning titles. We need to stop thinking about good squad players and think whether a player is genuine competition for a starting place. Milner is doing a decent job still but Liverpool sold him and moved on.

If we bring in Kelly, Davies is the 5th choice CB. If we are playing him it’s because we have an injury crisis.

 

[mil1lion]

If we bring in Kelly, Davies is the 5th choice CB. If we are playing him it’s because we have an injury crisis.

Actually the point is whether we sign Kelly or not so he would actually be 4th if we don't. If we sign Kelly then is there a need for a 5th choice? I doubt he would play much at all which would make it difficult to just come in and play well for the odd game. Unless he stays at left back but even then I would be looking for a more suitable left back in the summer. This is how the squad gets bloated though by keeping players who are decent cover.

 

[Erm33]

Would be a great deal if we can get it done. Especially if he's as desperate to join us as stated above.

 

[ajspurs]

This is the thing with Davies. He's doing well now but what if he drops off in a year or 2. I remember the drop for the likes of Lloris, Vertonghen, Dembele and Alderweireld. Then you sell them because they're not good enough but you're playing them a tthe end and the team is weaker for it. We need to refresh at times even if a player is looking decent. At the end of the day Davies is always a good pro but he's not going to be the difference between winning titles. We need to stop thinking about good squad players and think whether a player is genuine competition for a starting place. Milner is doing a decent job still but Liverpool sold him and moved on.

Fully agree. I also think we're in a good position to future-proof and really solidify a position in the squad with someone young, who fits the bill of what we want in a CB and for what you'd assume would be a very good fee due to certain circumstances. It maybe seems too good to pass up.

 

[What Lies Beneath]

The option would be to take Kelly now the deal is open for Spurs and we are considering it with Davies out for over 2 months ange wants him and a cm to finish the window. Pierre has to go though

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Glad someone else picked up on this point as i've seen it mentioned plenty of times. Massive difference playing as a left (or right back) in our system than in a traditional back 4 - my hunch is that he can't play there in our system and we will definitely be looking for a back up to Udogie in the summer (unless Sess, who i reckon could play there, has a Lazurus like recovery of both fitness and form, which is massively doubtful.....but would be lovely to see).

In which case I don’t see the need for Kelly.

We have Dorrington, Phillips and in summer 2025 Vuskovic coming through, we can’t block their path.

Surely the 4 we’ve got should get us through to summer 2025.

If Kelly could play as an inverted LB too then I’d say fair enough let’s sign him up.

 

[Trix]

The option would be to take Kelly now the deal is open for Spurs and we are considering it with Davies out for over 2 months ange wants him and a cm to finish the window. Pierre has to go though

Looking less likely as a sale right now. Has numerous possible suitors as a loan with an option. No one as yet willing to talk about a loan with an obligation. His preference is Juve, but they are strapped and we think less likely to take up the option so would prefer the alternatives. Clubs in Italy, Spain and Germany have shown/are showing interest.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

We have Dorrington, Phillips and in summer 2025 Vuskovic coming through, we can’t block their path.

None of those players will be ready before 2025. We need adequate cover this season and next.

 

[gazzeh]

Looking less likely as a sale right now. Has numerous possible suitors as a loan with an option. No one as yet willing to talk about a loan with an obligation. His preference is Juve, but they are strapped and we think less likely to take up the option so would prefer the alternatives. Clubs in Italy, Spain and Germany have shown/are showing interest.

Regarding Pierre.

 

[Trix]

Regarding Pierre.

Yeah. Wrong thread I know but was a direct reply to WLB

 

[tottenhamlad]

Phillips and Dorrington must be a long way off currently.

With recent injuries i think Ange would have given them a chance if they were at the level.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

In which case I don’t see the need for Kelly.

We have Dorrington, Phillips and in summer 2025 Vuskovic coming through, we can’t block their path.

Surely the 4 we’ve got should get us through to summer 2025.

If Kelly could play as an inverted LB too then I’d say fair enough let’s sign him up.

Yeah this is my thing with the youth players. Vuskovic you could potentially loan out again until he's 19/20 depending on where he is but Dorrington and/or Phillips should be getting minutes for us by then really.

 

[Tezza1978]

The option would be to take Kelly now the deal is open for Spurs and we are considering it with Davies out for over 2 months ange wants him and a cm to finish the window. Pierre has to go though

I already rate this window as an 8.5/9 out of 10. if Dier's exit is confirmed and Kelly and a CM join then its definitely a 10 and our best ever winter window.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

The option would be to take Kelly now the deal is open for Spurs and we are considering it with Davies out for over 2 months ange wants him and a cm to finish the window. Pierre has to go though

Is Kelly in dependent also on Pierre leaving or just the CM

 

[bbunc]

What is going to be the case is that it’s going to be very hard for Phillips, Dorrignton and Vuskovic, when he comes, to break into that back line.

I hear the point re Phillips or Dorrington, but both probably have at least another year or two of loans coming before we know whether they can really play at this level. And if it turns out they can, that’s when we sell one of the other CBs to Madrid / Bayern / PSG for huge $ and for the 1st time in decades we actually have the replacement on the roster organically rather than having to panic buy to plug the hole.