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balalasaurus

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Saw this article on the BBC. Have to admit there are some pertinent points raised.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24592596

FA commission: Heather Rabbatts criticises all-white group

The Football Association has been accused of letting down black and ethnic minority people after setting up an all-white, all-male commission to improve the England team.

The FA's only female board member Heather Rabbatts said she had no choice but to go public with her concerns as there had been a "refusal to understand" her position in private.

Rabbatts said: "The opportunity to lead an informed debate on the future of English players has been singularly damaged."


BBC sports editor David Bond said Rabbatts's criticism had put chairman Greg Dyke under "huge pressure".


The new sports minister Helen Grant, who is also equalities minister, says she will speak to the Football Association next week to express her concerns about the commission.


"Sports governing bodies must reflect the make-up of the diverse society that we live in," she said. "I expect the FA to ensure that voices from all backgrounds are heard loud and clear and contribute to this important piece of work to help strengthen English football. I will discuss the issue with the FA next week."


Jamaican-born Rabbatts, 57, wrote to Dyke and fellow board members to criticise the commission.


"I've come to the conclusion the FA's current position is not sustainable," said Rabbatts, who is of mixed race.


"By proceeding along this current path we are not only failing to reflect our national game but we are also letting down so many black and ethnic minority people - players, ex-players, coaches and volunteers, who have so much to offer and are so often discouraged and disheartened by the attitudes they encounter.


"The FA should be leading by example, not reinforcing entrenched attitudes.


"I make the comments about diversity not because they are additional to this matter but because they lie at its heart."


The eight names announced for the commission are Dyke, FA vice-chairman Roger Burden, former England manager Glenn Hoddle, ex-England defender Danny Mills, League Managers' Association chairman Howard Wilkinson, Professional Footballers' Association chairman Ritchie Humphreys, Football League chairman Greg Clarke, and Crewe director of football Dario Gradi.


The FA says the commission's make-up is not necessarily complete, and that other people will also be consulted. Dyke has said it will consist of no more than 10 members.


The group will consider how to increase the number of England-qualified players appearing for the country's top clubs. In September, Dyke set England targets of reaching the Euro 2020 semi-finals and winning the World Cup in 2022.


Rabbatts said: "I have tried every means at my disposal to stress the importance of diversity for the effective work of the commission and to express my concerns in private," she added.

"The key is not to consult when it suits but to involve the right people from the outset at the decision making table."


She also suggested that it was "ironic" there were no representatives from the black and ethnic minority communities - at a time when Andros Townsend helped England secure World Cup qualification.


"While England's victories on Friday and Tuesday are due to many factors no one would argue that a young black player made a huge difference and a young man whose father has played a significant role in fighting racism in football," Rabbatts said.


However, Rabbatts did back the FA's support for England boss Roy Hodgson after his dressing room joke about a monkey in space, but added: "As the commission looks to address all of the complexities of its brief, it will crucially have to come to a view on nationality, race and identity.


"To have announced a list without anyone who can speak from experience and in an informed manner on those three areas has exposed the FA at a vital moment.


"What is required is not tokenism but the involvement of individuals who have direct and relevant experience of what it means to represent their country while coming from diverse cultural backgrounds."


In response to Rabbatts's comments, Piara Powar, executive director of European anti-racism body Fare and a member of Fifa's new anti-racism taskforce, said: "Heather Rabbatts is first woman and only ethnic minority on FA Board. She has ideas, experience and nous. But seems to have been ignored. Why?"


Kick It Out chairman Lord Ouseley said he had raised the issue of the commission with Dyke, and questioned why he had not used Rabbatts' contacts and experience to bring on a suitable representative.


"This has been a disaster for the FA in public relations terms. Heather must have been at her wits' end to go public like this," he said.


"I find it very surprising therefore that someone as close to the chairman as Heather Rabbatts, with all her experience and contacts, was not asked for her advice on ensuring diversity."

Last week former England defender Sol Campbell was the first name to publicly criticise the diversity of the group. In a BBC Sport interview he said "it seems like that's overlooked all the time".


It is understood the FA has spoken to members of black and minority ethnic communities about joining the commission, but many of those approached have not been able to commit the required time.


The Premier League says it will help the commission, but has so far rejected the chance to have an official representative on the panel.


Former England captain Gary Lineker also criticised the commission when he said most members were "utterly pointless" earlier this month.
 

balalasaurus

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Oh FFS. I'm enough with all the crying racist Bullshit now. Really.
Agreed. But this article isn't about racism per se, rather the lack of diversity in the FA. IMO an organization such as the FA which is viewed as being representative of the entire football community should reflect that representation on every level. Let's be clear the FA always seems to be playing catch up. Goal-line technology for one. Lack of diversity as another. Considering that ethnic minorities represent a sizable portion of the footballing community you would think that the body of representation would mirror that. Not calling the FA racist rather that they seem to be (as usual) out of touch.
 

Geyzer Soze

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Agreed. But this article isn't about racism per se, rather the lack of diversity in the FA. IMO an organization such as the FA which is viewed as being representative of the entire football community should reflect that representation on every level. Let's be clear the FA always seems to be playing catch up. Goal-line technology for one. Lack of diversity as another. Considering that ethnic minorities represent a sizable portion of the footballing community you would think that the body of representation would mirror that. Not calling the FA racist rather that they seem to be (as usual) out of touch.
"Lack of diversity" = "let's talk about institutionalised racism" in my book
 

balalasaurus

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"Lack of diversity" = "let's talk about institutionalised racism" in my book
I disagree with you there. Racism in itself is discrimination on ethnic grounds. The idea that a certain people or group is inferior because of their background. If the FA were racist their hiring practices would have reflected this. Why appoint a mixed-race woman as a board-member in that case? No the lack of diversity is an entirely different kettle of fish. Its more to do with inadequate representation of all interests rather than discrimination along ethnic lines.
 

Geyzer Soze

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I disagree with you there. Racism in itself is discrimination on ethnic grounds. The idea that a certain people or group is inferior because of their background. If the FA were racist their hiring practices would have reflected this. Why appoint a mixed-race woman as a board-member in that case? No the lack of diversity is an entirely different kettle of fish. Its more to do with inadequate representation of all interests rather than discrimination along ethnic lines.
Ok, well, we'll see which route it takes
 

worcestersauce

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heather rabbatts is a self serving serial commission sitter who gets on as many boards as she can and none of them on merit simply because of her status and she is only on the FA board as an attempt at increased diversity anyway, she brings nothing to the role.
famous for turning round a failing lambeth council all she did was apply the brakes and turn a rusting hulk away from the rocks, something everybody accepted needed doing and would have happened whoever took over. what she should be remembered for is leaving it still a rusting hulk no better than it was before.
she's just pissed off because she wasn't picked and she shouldn't have been picked as she has nothing to offer.
Either this is about saving English football or it is about increasing diversity, the two needn't be mutually exclusive but cannot be indistinguishable, you can have both but only if it aids or at least doesn't hinder the main objective.
 

yanno

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Of course when Roland Rat became BBC DG, he described the organisation as, direct quote, "hideously white", and vowed to change it.

So, Dyke is well and truly hoist by his own petard....
 

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I hate all this enforced diversity nonsense. Pick the best people for the job whoever they may be. If they're all white. Fine. If they're all black. Fine. If it's a mix. Fine. Just make sure whoever gets picked, gets picked on merit. No one should get picked based on the colour of their skin over someone who is better qualified to do the job. To do so would just be racist.
 
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worcestersauce

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I am not against positive discrimination sadly it is so often all too necessary but this women has made a career on it and the Campbell example given is just pathetic that really would be tokenism of the most ineffectual kind to have someone like him for example.
 

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I hate all this enforced diversity nonsense. Pick the best people for the job whoever they may be. If they're all white. Fine. If they're all black. Fine. If it's a mix. Fine. Just make sure whoever gets picked, gets picked on merit. No one should get picked based on the colour of ther skin over someone who is better qualified to do the job. To do so would just be racist.

racist.
 

balalasaurus

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I hate all this enforced diversity nonsense. Pick the best people for the job whoever they may be. If they're all white. Fine. If they're all black. Fine. If it's a mix. Fine. Just make sure whoever gets picked, gets picked on merit. No one should get picked based on the colour of ther skin over someone who is better qualified to do the job. To do so would just be racist.
I see what you're saying and I agree with you but then the question becomes: If the FA's going to employ the best people for the job shouldn't they by default be looking into a diverse group of people? In which case we then have to ask if indeed they are doing so. I just think that this issue wouldn't have come up if there wasn't a bit of truth.
 

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I hate all this enforced diversity nonsense. Pick the best people for the job whoever they may be. If they're all white. Fine. If they're all black. Fine. If it's a mix. Fine. Just make sure whoever gets picked, gets picked on merit. No one should get picked based on the colour of ther skin over someone who is better qualified to do the job. To do so would just be racist.
"Enforced Diversity" hit a chord

"Enforced Diversity" = Apartheid. Basta.
 

JimmyG2

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heather rabbatts is a self serving serial commission sitter who gets on as many boards as she can and none of them on merit simply because of her status and she is only on the FA board as an attempt at increased diversity anyway, she brings nothing to the role.
famous for turning round a failing lambeth council all she did was apply the brakes and turn a rusting hulk away from the rocks, something everybody accepted needed doing and would have happened whoever took over. what she should be remembered for is leaving it still a rusting hulk no better than it was before.
she's just pissed off because she wasn't picked and she shouldn't have been picked as she has nothing to offer.
Either this is about saving English football or it is about increasing diversity, the two needn't be mutually exclusive but cannot be indistinguishable, you can have both but only if it aids or at least doesn't hinder the main objective.
Slag off Rabbatts as much as you like and for whatever reasons
it doesn't mean that she is wrong about lack of diversity in the FA commission.
I'm not aware that her pitch (sorry) was on her own behalf.
It's an own goal(sorry)by Greg Dyke and another by Roy.
With a little awareness and sensitivity both could have been avoided.
Strange how the best people are all white in these cases.
Until such appointments produce a balanced representation
of the multi cultural society in which we live
people including me will cry 'foul' (sorry).
I'm not holding my breath.
 

Mattspur

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Until such appointments produce a balanced representation
of the multi cultural society in which we live
people including me will cry 'foul' (sorry).

Just a note on the above. According to the internet (which always has 100% accurate information :cautious:). There are 2,000,000 black people in the UK. Around 3% of the population.

What is this balanced representation you speak of? Are you saying that there should be no black people on the 10 person committee because that would be a balanced representation? I can't agree with this. There should be as many black people on the committee as their ability warrants.

Out of interest, to anyone with a view on the subject, what benefit would having token appointments of minority's be to the committee or the future of the England football team. I don't understand what they could add to it.
 

JimmyG2

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Just a note on the above. According to the internet (which always has 100% accurate information :cautious:). There are 2,000,000 black people in the UK. Around 3% of the population.

What is this balanced representation you speak of? Are you saying that there should be no black people on the 10 person committee because that would be a balanced representation? I can't agree with this. There should be as many black people on the committee as their ability warrants.

Out of interest, to anyone with a view on the subject, what benefit would having token appointments of minority's be to the committee or the future of the England football team. I don't understand what they could add to it.
I don't think I specified 'black but limit it to 'black' for your purposes if you must but I would check your figures.
The ethnic minority population of UK at the last census(2011) was:
White British 86%. Do the math!
Other ethnic groups 14% and on a rising curve.
Are you saying that their is noone of an ethnic minority
qualified to be on a football commission?
Nobody as, if not more, qualified than Danny Mills?
 

worcestersauce

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Slag off Rabbatts as much as you like and for whatever reasons
it doesn't mean that she is wrong about lack of diversity in the FA commission.
I'm not aware that her pitch (sorry) was on her own behalf.
It's an own goal(sorry)by Greg Dyke and another by Roy.
With a little awareness and sensitivity both could have been avoided.
Strange how the best people are all white in these cases.
Until such appointments produce a balanced representation
of the multi cultural society in which we live
people including me will cry 'foul' (sorry).
I'm not holding my breath.
why is it strange? nah sorry but you are wrong.
 

Mattspur

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I don't think I specified 'black but limit it to 'black' for your purposes if you must but I would check your figures.
The ethnic minority population of UK at the last census(2011) was:
White British 86%. Do the math!
Other ethnic groups 14% and on a rising curve.
Are you saying that their is noone of an ethnic minority
qualified to be on a football commission?
Nobody as, if not more, qualified than Danny Mills?

The truth is I don't know who's the most qualified to be on the FA commission. I have no idea what Danny Mills brings to the party or any of the others. I also have no idea who of an ethnic minority could do a better job than the people appointed. Do you? What I do know is the fact that 86% of people in England are White British and 14% are Ethnic Minorities should have no influence in the decision over who is appointed to the commission.

I have no idea if the people selected are the best people for the job. Knowing the FA, probably not. All I'm saying is the best people for the job (in the eyes of the FA) should be appointed whoever they are and race shouldn't come in to it.

In any case, it seems that people of ethnic minority were approached but declined to join the commission.
 

balalasaurus

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The truth is I don't know who's the most qualified to be on the FA commission. I have no idea what Danny Mills brings to the party or any of the others. I also have no idea who of an ethnic minority could do a better job than the people appointed. Do you? What I do know is the fact that 86% of people in England are White British and 14% are Ethnic Minorities should have no influence in the decision over who is appointed to the commission.

I have no idea if the people selected are the best people for the job. Knowing the FA, probably not. All I'm saying is the best people for the job (in the eyes of the FA) should be appointed whoever they are and race shouldn't come in to it.

In any case, it seems that people of ethnic minority were approached but declined to join the commission.
This. I for one believe you may very well be right about this. But then think about why they would choose to do this? Personally I think they would because they believe the FAs actions to be simply superficial. I mean it's only natural to be apprehensive of something you believe does not truly represent (or for that matter want to represent) your interests and the interests of those in a similar position. IMO they would have seen the FA coming, thought why should I be a part of something where I'm just going to be a figurehead and declined. The only way they would have carried this attitude is if the FA's hiring practices were to an extent unfair to begin with. In which case this is a classic case of a vicious cycle in motion. Do we then need more proof that the FA needs a shake up?
 
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