Kyle Walker

[thelak]

Well said.

Any player moving would be stupid not to try and make it as financially rewarding as possible(and that is one of the reasons they employ agents), but it's rarely the actual reason they move.

Why are you making it so black and white. It's a circular argument to be honest

But Money is clearly a huge part of the equation. More than 50% especially moving to a club with limited historical pedigree like City. Yes now moving to a city comes with a chance of winning things but Walker wouldn't be interested if they were offering the same wages as we are joining a team in the past he has previously slated on Twitter for being new money and their past unsuccessful history

Also at the start of the City project the likes of Robinho, tevez, yaya clearly moved a big part due to the money and that's created the momentum we have today...today yes maybe you can it both but if City were offering standard wages their attraction vs other clubs in the league would be limited

Same way if China does keep buying those just interested in the money in ten years they may (still unlikely I would think though) have a league good enough to attract those motivated by both money and prestige

 

[fecka]

Why are you making it so black and white. It's a circular argument to be honest

But Money is clearly a huge part of the equation. More than 50% especially moving to a club with limited historical pedigree like City. Yes now moving to a city comes with a chance of winning things but Walker wouldn't be interested if they were offering the same wages as we are joining a team in the past he has previously slated on Twitter for being new money and their past unsuccessful history

Also at the start of the City project the likes of Robinho, tevez, yaya clearly moved a big part due to the money and that's created the momentum we have today...today yes maybe you can it both but if City were offering standard wages their attraction vs other clubs in the league would be limited

Same way if China does keep buying those just interested in the money in ten years they may (still unlikely I would think though) have a league good enough to attract those motivated by both money and prestige

Trix and I aren't arguing that money isn't important, we're however saying that contrary to your belief that while money is very important it's often not the actual deciding factor. The money may have opened Walker's to City but if he didn't think he was also making a step upwards in his career by playing for Pep and with players like KdB, Aguero and the like, I'd assure you that he would be a lot more hesitant to move. Sometimes it's also just wanting a new challenge and a change of environment.

City got by in the beginning of their new start by offering ludicrous wages but they are a lot more sensible now compared to before. Their wage budget is far bigger than ours but they aren't throwing around 200-250k/week to their new signings anymore as they used to.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Lot of noise about Dani Alves going to City, maybe Walker won't be off after all.

Wonder what the knock on will be if so, could be a £30m hole in our budget...

 

[Hakkz]

Lot of noise about Dani Alves going to City, maybe Walker won't be off after all.

Wonder what the knock on will be if so, could be a £30m hole in our budget...

Depends on how genuine the interest is from Munich as well.

 

[Spurs Lodge Kittens]

I thought it was understood Walker ideally shouldn't play two games a week (say Saturday and Wednesday) and was better if he played just one game a week ?

Exactly this. I remember the times it did happen last year - Walker's performance in that second game were substantially inferior and more mistake-ridden than when he had a week between games.

I haven't checked, but i remember Trippier played a fair few of our Champions League group games

 

[thelak]

Trix and I aren't arguing that money isn't important, we're however saying that contrary to your belief that while money is very important it's often not the actual deciding factor. The money may have opened Walker's to City but if he didn't think he was also making a step upwards in his career by playing for Pep and with players like KdB, Aguero and the like, I'd assure you that he would be a lot more hesitant to move. Sometimes it's also just wanting a new challenge and a change of environment.

City got by in the beginning of their new start by offering ludicrous wages but they are a lot more sensible now compared to before. Their wage budget is far bigger than ours but they aren't throwing around 200-250k/week to their new signings anymore as they used to.

Don't agree with this. City are still paying well above market rate to any new signing. Sterling on close to £200k. John Stones on £100k+ and he can barely tackle.

And we have just shown we are a better side than them 2 years In a row

And you miss my point re how all the players got there in the first place. Think 5 years ago Pep would have considered City - he chose Bayern over them for example. City have spent their way to the top and it's what is keeping them there - the only difference is they are doing it in an established league so a player can justify his move on the basis that he will win things too

Let's say a salary cap was introduced to the league like in the states. I guarantee you Walker would be more than happy to stay at Spurs vs City

The two clearly go hand in - hence my point about it being a circular argument but ultimately different people have different ratios about chances of winning things, who they win things with and cash

Walker to city for him I imagine is equal to slightly higher chance of winning things plus 2x cash with a bit of sadness pulling the other way at leaving a storied club on the up with a great manager where he spent a big part of his career

 

[Rethink]

lots of news about this morning that Alves has joined City on a 2 year deal .. does this mean this Walker saga is now over?

 

[fecka]

Don't agree with this. City are still paying well above market rate to any new signing. Sterling on close to £200k. John Stones on £100k+ and he can barely tackle.

And we have just shown we are a better side than them 2 years In a row

And you miss my point re how all the players got there in the first place. Think 5 years ago Pep would have considered City - he chose Bayern over them for example. City have spent their way to the top and it's what is keeping them there - the only difference is they are doing it in an established league so a player can justify his move on the basis that he will win things too

Let's say a salary cap was introduced to the league like in the states. I guarantee you Walker would be more than happy to stay at Spurs vs City

The two clearly go hand in - hence my point about it being a circular argument but ultimately different people have different ratios about chances of winning things, who they win things with and cash

Walker to city for him I imagine is equal to slightly higher chance of winning things plus 2x cash with a bit of sadness pulling the other way at leaving a storied club on the up with a great manager where he spent a big part of his career

First of all, what's the market rate? Are City paying KdB more than he would have got at Bayern, Real Madrid or Barcelona? Would Sterling get less if he went to United? I don't think so.

City in the beginning was a project that needed to be kickstarted with cash but they are a different beast now and while we're currently a better side, they're still the bigger club with a lot more titles in recent years than us. In other words, yes they spent their way to the top but what's keeping them there is not overpaying for players, it's titles and a good infrastructure. It's not like they're Leeds as you seem to make them out to be.

And yes, if money didn't matter at all it's likely that Walker would stay at Spurs but if money were the only thing that mattered he'd go to China where the money is currently the biggest by far.

As you yourself pointed out, it's not black & white about the money and we're not saying that it's not important but if it were the only thing that mattered our team would've been torn to shreds by the bigger clubs a long time ago.

 

[Trix]

Why are you making it so black and white. It's a circular argument to be honest

But Money is clearly a huge part of the equation. More than 50% especially moving to a club with limited historical pedigree like City. Yes now moving to a city comes with a chance of winning things but Walker wouldn't be interested if they were offering the same wages as we are joining a team in the past he has previously slated on Twitter for being new money and their past unsuccessful history

Also at the start of the City project the likes of Robinho, tevez, yaya clearly moved a big part due to the money and that's created the momentum we have today...today yes maybe you can it both but if City were offering standard wages their attraction vs other clubs in the league would be limited

Same way if China does keep buying those just interested in the money in ten years they may (still unlikely I would think though) have a league good enough to attract those motivated by both money and prestige

I'm not. I agree completely money is a huge factor. This whole thing started with a post saying 99% of footballers main reason for moving is money, which is what I strongly disagree with.

 

[Trix]

Don't agree with this. City are still paying well above market rate to any new signing. Sterling on close to £200k. John Stones on £100k+ and he can barely tackle.

And we have just shown we are a better side than them 2 years In a row

And you miss my point re how all the players got there in the first place. Think 5 years ago Pep would have considered City - he chose Bayern over them for example. City have spent their way to the top and it's what is keeping them there - the only difference is they are doing it in an established league so a player can justify his move on the basis that he will win things too

Let's say a salary cap was introduced to the league like in the states. I guarantee you Walker would be more than happy to stay at Spurs vs City

The two clearly go hand in - hence my point about it being a circular argument but ultimately different people have different ratios about chances of winning things, who they win things with and cash

Walker to city for him I imagine is equal to slightly higher chance of winning things plus 2x cash with a bit of sadness pulling the other way at leaving a storied club on the up with a great manager where he spent a big part of his career

I will say again Walkers move(should it happen) is NOT primarily money motivated.

 

[knowlespurs]

with the alves transfer looking likely looks like Kyle will be staying imo

 

[mark87]

with the alves transfer looking likely looks like Kyle will be staying imo

Disagree. Man City will only have one RB with Alves signing and he's 34, they will need another RB.

 

[knowlespurs]

Disagree. Man City will only have one RB with Alves signing and he's 34, they will need another RB.

i dont think they will sign both

 

[danielneeds]

Disagree. Man City will only have one RB with Alves signing and he's 34, they will need another RB.

Yeah City will be looking to win both the PL and CL next year. Pep will want two rotating fullbacks, having probably learned from a bit about this league from Poch this season.

 

[arunspurs]

I will say again Walkers move(should it happen) is NOT primarily money motivated.

If money is not the primary reason, in case City also buys Alves, why would Walker select City.

 

[allatsea]

If money is not the primary reason, in case City also buys Alves, why would Walker select City.

I think Man City selected him.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

lots of news about this morning that Alves has joined City on a 2 year deal .. does this mean this Walker saga is now over?

I doubt at his age and experience, Alves is going to City to be back up to Walker.

 

[rossdapep]

I doubt at his age and experience, Alves is going to City to be back up to Walker.

He won't be. Pep continuously rotates his team. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he picked them both from time to time.

 

[rossdapep]

If money is not the primary reason, in case City also buys Alves, why would Walker select City.

Isn't one of the rumours that he wants to move back up north?

 

[arunspurs]

Isn't one of the rumours that he wants to move back up north?

I am not sure. Given this is a world cup year, I would think Walker wants to move to a team where he is no1. Alves plays 30 games a season even at this age. Had a brilliant CL campaign including a man of the match semifinals. If both Walker & Alves end up at City, its not even a argument who will start in PL games. Walker would be taking a huge gamble on his England career