It's the Euros 2020! Finals Match Thread: It’s gone to Rome…

[Marty]

Also that rebound by Morata

That's a worse miss than the penalty to my mind.

 

['O Zio]

Justice done for me. Definitely one of those that looks far worse than it was in slow motion.

Really hope Poland can pull off an upset. Spain are still dining out on the glory years IMO. As the studio alluded to at half time they're actually just fucking boring to watch. Tiki-taka done right is one thing, but this lot essentially just play like they're trying to run the clock down from the first minute. Can't stand them.

 

[easley91]

There was more than a "little" bit of contact. He stood on the ankle. I can see why it was given. Danny Murphy is an awful commentator.

 

[Yiddo100]

I can’t lie guys, I’m confused by so many people thinking that’s not a pen

 

[cwy21]

I can’t lie guys, I’m confused by so many people thinking that’s not a pen

Only an inch or two higher and it's probably red card territory.

 

['O Zio]

It was a foul in the box, how is it not a pen? I know he'd already played the ball but... it was a foul.

It's one of the reasons I think the penalty rule isn't very good. Up to a point I think you're right, if it'd been a free kick on the half way line nobody would've complained really.

But the problem is when you have these very slightly late challenges that result in accidental contact, awarding virtually a guaranteed goal just doesn't seem like a fair punishment in a lot of cases.

If someone is through on goal and they're hacked down to deny them a clear goalscoring opportunity then fair enough, but a marginally late challenge after the ball has already gone doesn't affect the chances of scoring a goal so giving a pen seems over the top to me sometimes.

 

[easley91]

I understood the anger about Lovren yesterday. But that was late and studs on the ankle. That is 100% a foul outside of the box. So why would it not be given in the box? Should be the same wherever it happens.

 

[Johnny J]

Danny Murphy “ He goes down after he touches him”
No shit Sherlock

Also: "The ball's gone. I know that doesn't matter but..."

 

[easley91]

It's one of the reasons I think the penalty rule isn't very good. Up to a point I think you're right, if it'd been a free kick on the half way line nobody would've complained really.

But the problem is when you have these very slightly late challenges that result in accidental contact, awarding virtually a guaranteed goal just doesn't seem like a fair punishment in a lot of cases.

If someone is through on goal and they're hacked down to deny them a clear goalscoring opportunity then fair enough, but a marginally late challenge after the ball has already gone doesn't affect the chances of scoring a goal so giving a pen seems over the top to me sometimes.

That's what annoys me. If you give it outside of the box, why is it different inside it? Should always be the same for me.

 

['O Zio]

Only an inch or two higher and it's probably red card territory.

What kind of argument is that? "If something different had happened, it might've had a different result". Brilliant.

 

[philll]

Also: "The ball's gone. I know that doesn't matter but..."

He's shocking. "Here's my reason for loudly stating that it's not a penalty. I know none of what I just said is actually in the rules but omg not a pen"

Also, between the two of them they spent more time talking about some substitution than realising that there was even a check taking place. I have to say, we can be happy with the state of officiating in this tournament but a lot of the commentary has been absolutely woeful.

 

[cwy21]

What kind of argument is that? "If something different had happened, it might've had a different result". Brilliant.

I guess I'll phrase it this way. It wasn't a slight foul. It was a very clear 100% yellow that wasn't that far from being a red. Of course it's a PK.

 

[Marty]

It's one of the reasons I think the penalty rule isn't very good. Up to a point I think you're right, if it'd been a free kick on the half way line nobody would've complained really.

But the problem is when you have these very slightly late challenges that result in accidental contact, awarding virtually a guaranteed goal just doesn't seem like a fair punishment in a lot of cases.

If someone is through on goal and they're hacked down to deny them a clear goalscoring opportunity then fair enough, but a marginally late challenge after the ball has already gone doesn't affect the chances of scoring a goal so giving a pen seems over the top to me sometimes.

The penalty box is an area where the defenders have a heightened duty of care. To me a consequence of that is promoting attacking football, so I'm all for it.

 

[Spursh]

Morata has many good qualities and really should be a complete centre forward, but he’s such a poor finisher. In a way, he encapsulates the issues Spain have had for years now

 

['O Zio]

That's what annoys me. If you give it outside of the box, why is it different inside it? Should always be the same for me.

By the letter of the law you're probably right. But my point is that the punishment isn't the same when it's in the box so it's a bigger deal to give the decision. Awarding a free kick on the half way line because of some minor infringement doesn't affect the game so much so even if you don't agree with the decision, it's not the end of the world so you take it on the chin and move on. But when it's in the box if it's a case of giving a 90% guaranteed goal Vs giving nothing at all, it leads to these weird situations because it probably was a foul but it doesn't really affect the goalscoring opportunity at all, so awarding Spain a virtually guaranteed goal seems like overkill.

I appreciate this is a more general point I'm raising rather than being about his specific incident, so probably not the best place to discuss it in hindsight.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Poland need to calm down. If they play like there did earlier they could get another. It’s al a bit frantic from them at the moment.

 

[easley91]

By the letter of the law you're probably right. But my point is that the punishment isn't the same when it's in the box so it's a bigger deal to give the decision. Awarding a free kick on the half way line because of some minor infringement doesn't affect the game so much so even if you don't agree with the decision, it's not the end of the world so you take it on the chin and move on. But when it's in the box if it's a case of giving a 90% guaranteed goal Vs giving nothing at all, it leads to these weird situations because it probably was a foul but it doesn't really affect the goalscoring opportunity at all, so awarding Spain a virtually guaranteed goal seems like overkill.

I appreciate this is a more general point I'm raising rather than being about his specific incident, so probably not the best place to discuss it in hindsight.

I'm sorry but if it's a foul, it is a foul regardless of halfway line or box. Just like if it's worthy of a booking or red it shouldn't matter the minute it happens.

In this specific case it wasn't minimal contact or he got a slight touch of the ball or got the ball then the follow through caught the attacker. It was really late with studs on the ankle. That IS a foul and a penalty.

 

[Saoirse]

Must say I really, really dislike this format. Despite Spain being so underwhelming, all they need to do even if they lose this is beat Slovakia and they're through. It makes it nearly impossible for a good team to go out - even if you get a total group of death, you'll still likely go through in 3rd. It needs to either go back to 16 teams (probably the right thing to do), up to 32 (but then the big teams go through almost as often because of lack of quality), or go to the two-group stage format the World Cup tried once - Top 2 go through, then 4 groups of 3 leading into either Semis or straight to a Final (but knockouts are more fun).

 

['O Zio]

The penalty box is an area where the defenders have a heightened duty of care. To me a consequence of that is promoting attacking football, so I'm all for it.

Yep, that's a fair point mate.

I suppose what I'm getting at is that if we're going to analyse these things under a microscope in slow-mo etc then there's a point at which you have to accept a certain amount of accidental contact is just going to happen. I'm all for promoting attacking football but if we get to a stage where any contact whatsoever is going to result in a pen then it'll make defending in the box almost impossible.

As I said before this is probably more of a general discussion than about this specific incident though.

 

[tiger666]

Lol Chesney