Is there a way past the Bielsa/Pochettino wall?

[Lemon]

Wondering if any posters feel they know recovery techniques which would best allow our squad to perform nearer full pelt through the tail end of seasons?

Personally I think I know best, and could help Poch for a reasonable fee, but he might get it free from this thread!

To start, it is clear to me that players are hitting 'the wall' where their bodies are not recovered enough, so their autonomic nervous systems are trying to drag them towards rest and repair very early into games.

Point in question, last night Harry feel over several times, because he should have been rested completely, his body is signalling for help but his will is overriding this and putting him at serious risk.

Do we have world class sports scientists? do we need them?

 

[Spurrific]

I think we need to do what Leicester are doing, and start giving our players steroids.

Just imo.

 

[eddiev14]

The pitch was also very slippery.

 

[Sweech]

This only seems to get carted out if we don't get a result, why wasn't this touted when we were winning six on the bounce?

What about if we win our next few matches? Will it be due to finding a cure?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Personally I think I know best, and could help Poch for a reasonable fee, but he might get it free from this thread!

This goes for me as well. I have amazing ways of kicking a fatigued body back into shape (I mean, they worked 15-20 years ago), but my methods are so old fashioned, Pohcettino would puke.

This only seems to get carted out if we don't get a result, why wasn't this touted when we were winning six on the bounce?

What about if we win our next few matches? Will it be due to finding a cure?

Yes and no. This topic does surface regardless of results, but the general response is that we don't know what Poch knows and his monitoring system is world class and if the players become jaded he will know instantly and all that. The topic is shot down by various posts indicatint that it isn't a topic.
I don't believe that it's impossible to see on a player whether he is jaded. I believe the opposite, it's very easy to see with a regular pair of eyes.

 

[Hazardousman]

This only seems to get carted out if we don't get a result, why wasn't this touted when we were winning six on the bounce?

What about if we win our next few matches? Will it be due to finding a cure?

Because since that 6 on the bounce we have looked jaded, frankly we looked jaded VS Swansea, we are most definitely seeing the effects of tiredness, no doubt about it.

 

[dondo]

Getting fed up with this tired excuse all the time. We got beat by a better team when half the 1st 11 were rested deal with it

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Because since that 6 on the bounce we have looked jaded, frankly we looked jaded VS Swansea, we are most definitely seeing the effects of tiredness, no doubt about it.

Unsure if I would go as far as to say it's already definite and beyond doubt atm. But it will become clear vs. Villa and Bournemouth I'd say.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Because since that 6 on the bounce we have looked jaded, frankly we looked jaded VS Swansea, we are most definitely seeing the effects of tiredness, no doubt about it.

We didn't look jaded against Swansea at all, we completely dominated but just didn't take our chances, of which we had about 34- and this has been a problem all season. Even Alan Curtis said they couldn't cope with our intensity.

 

[Lemon]

Getting fed up with this tired excuse all the time. We got beat by a better team when half the 1st 11 were rested deal with it

The point wasn't about last night at all.

Maybe nobody talking about it will allow uric/lactic acid (et al) to be cycled more efficiently...

 

[Hazardousman]

We didn't look jaded against Swansea at all, we completely dominated but just didn't take our chances, of which we had about 34- and this has been a problem all season. Even Alan Curtis said they couldn't cope with out intensity.

First half we didn't look at it, second half we had a surge I will admit but since then look how knackered we have looked, that second half performance completely took it out of the players.

 

[jackson]

I would hope that we're now easing up on the double training sessions to allow for extra recovery at this stage of the season.

 

[shelfmonkey]

Unsure if I would go as far as to say it's already definite and beyond doubt atm. But it will become clear vs. Villa and Bournemouth I'd say.

Interesting that Bournemouth have covered more kms than us so far this season, the game could end up a real snooze fest!!!!

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

This is something about which none of us have a clue. Not one of us. Pretend all you like.

However…….I am an expert in these things. Yeah yeah, I know, aren't we all? But seriously, I am and I have the answer to all our (imaginary) woes.


Cake.

 

[Hoddle_Ledge]

Sharapova's got a job lot of tablets going if anyone has her number.

 

[thinktank]

Once the squad is properly complete it won't be an issue.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Interesting that Bournemouth have covered more kms than us so far this season, the game could end up a real snooze fest!!!!

I haven't followed them closely, maybe they rotate more? And if we add the distance in all competitions, we must be far ahead of them ...

This is something about which none of us have a clue. Not one of us. Pretend all you like.

However…….I am an expert in these things. Yeah yeah, I know, aren't we all? But seriously, I am and I have the answer to all our (imaginary) woes.


Cake.

You are wrong, but not about cake. Managing fatigue levels was actually something I was good at as an athlete. It may be the only thing I really understood better then most, but it's not an useless skill to have.

Once the squad is properly complete it won't be an issue.

I completely agree, but then we open up another can of worms, namely that there is transfer work to be done this summer.

 

[dondo]

The point wasn't about last night at all.

Maybe nobody talking about it will allow uric/lactic acid (et al) to be cycled more efficiently...

I'm sure we have doctors/sport science people at the club who know more about resting periods and which players need resting than us fans watching from the stands or TVs.
We do rest players as and when required IMO eg dier Kane last night and I would argue that the stats vs Arsenal suggest that we are anything but tired as we ran 10km or so more than them in the match

 

[Lighty64]

our last 3 matches have been played at a much higher tempo 2 local derbies and a team that moved the ball so well that made us have to work very hard, 7 of last nights starting players most probably won't start Sunday, and even if they did they should beat Villa, but they definitely won't work us anywhere near as hard as our last 3 matches.

the one thing we don't want is Dier picking up that extra yellow in the next 2 games, Bournemouth will work us hard, but Liverpool definitely will. just wished most of the squad wasn't away with internationals in a few weeks

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

You are wrong, but not about cake. Managing fatigue levels was actually something I was good at as an athlete. It may be the only thing I really understood better then most, but it's not an useless skill to have.

Knowing how to manage fatigue levels is not even in the same ball park as knowing which of our players may or may not need a rest. Cake