Is football getting a bit rubbish now?

[stemark44]

Its a great shout on Di stefano.

I'm sticking with this argument though. Messi and Ronaldo are doing it against supremely tuned athletes, who have had a lifetime of modern football experience coached into them, yet they make a mockery of this every week.

It's just unreal. It really is. in 10 years time we will look back at these two and wonder how they were that much better.

I take it you mean Christiano Ronaldo?
A very good player but a legend?Are you for real.

If Maradona or Best or Pele played today,then surely they would also be supremely tuned athlete's and believe me,they would be taking the utter piss out of defender's every single week and on pitch's like snooker tables.

 

[OmarsComing]

Why cant people comprehend that Ronaldo and Messi are the Maradona and Pele of this era and because of various improvements in the game that the game is played at a higher standard today.

 

[Spurger King]

Why cant people comprehend that Ronaldo and Messi are the Maradona and Pele of this era and because of various improvements in the game that the game is played at a higher standard today.

But I think that is what spursphil and COYS are saying. because the game is played at a higher standard today, there are many more luxuries available to the best players than there used to be...such as less violent conduct on the pitch...better pitches...better tactics...better players around them...and in the case of Man United..better paid referees.

Personally I think it's a daft debate because there is no way of comparing the best players. Some of the footage I've seen of Pele has blown me away. The guy was playing in an era where players didn't have fitness coaches, they didn't have the level of tactical training the current crop have, they didn't even have footballs you could kick without breaking at least one or two toes...yet he put in some breathtaking performances on a regular basis.

The measure of success can only be made against your contemporaries. Maradonna, as spursphil points out, was a player of such ability that he made the difference between a team being average (Napoli/Argentina '86) or being winners. Ok he didn't win them single-handedly, but he was the key difference between success and mediocrity.

There is no point in comparing Maradonna to Messi. Both players pissed/piss all over everyone around them (ok Messi doesn't piss on Ronaldo from too much of a height...but he still pisses on the greasy rapey twat). Maradonna, if given the opportunities and professional focus that the current crop receive...would have achieved wonders. Likewise, if Messi had been playing in the '80's, I think his raw ability would have still seen him regarded as one of the best players in the world.

We cannot compare the different players from different eras, simply because there are positives and negatives to both that counteract each other. I've always considered the true mark of a great sportsman to be their ability to be looked upon by history as being the greatest of their generation.

Compare Juan Manuel Fangio and Micheal Schumacher. It's so easy to dismiss Fangio as being a racer from an era of less technology, but back then it was far more to do with individual skill...not to mention the significant dangers involved at that time. Fangio dominated that era of F1 because he was an incredible driver. Schumacher did the same. Pointless in comparing them.

 

[stemark44]

Why cant people comprehend that Ronaldo and Messi are the Maradona and Pele of this era and because of various improvements in the game that the game is played at a higher standard today.

Go and look at some of the games from years ago and look at the tackling the likes of Maradona,Best and Pele had to put up with every single game.
Believe me most of them would be jailed for assault today.

How do I think C.Ronaldo would have coped?
He wouldn't have,he would have run home crying to his mummy and
would probably have gone into hairdressing instead.

Messi,different character all together,he would have coped the same as those other guys I mentioned.

 

[stevenurse]

There are two arguments to this question, one being the stadia, skills (to some degree), coverage, technology are all tools that make the game more interesting but one the whole it's about money. If I were a fan of say Bolton I'd be devastated as they aren't likely to ever win anything and there are only 3 teams in my opinion capable of winning the league. If we are honest we will realise that even if by some miracle we did win the league, city/chelsea/united would spend 3 or 4 times what we do and sign the worlds best players to win it the following season.

The world cup used to be the pinnacle with players being honoured to play for their country and now it is seen as a distraction and and annoyance. That coupled with the ever growing gap between the footballer and the common man breeds resentment and frustration between fans.

Better to watch, but boring as you can pretty much guess the results

 

[StartingPrice]

Old football woz crap...they used to play in tent-shorts...then they invented shorts so tight they cut-off the blood supply to my goolies mg:

 

[Maske2g]

I take it you mean Christiano Ronaldo?
A very good player but a legend?Are you for real.

If Maradona or Best or Pele played today,then surely they would also be supremely tuned athlete's and believe me,they would be taking the utter piss out of defender's every single week and on pitch's like snooker tables.

Are YOU for real?

When did Best or maradona ever score 53 in a season?

In his last 153 league starts, he's scored 132 goals.


That is consistently above what anyone has ever done in the history of the game except for Messi, playing in the two strongest leagues not only in the world, but in the history of the game.

He may not have won the La Liga, but he propelled his teams to points totals that were greater than 95% of any previous winner of La Liga in History.

Please just watch Ronaldo's goals from the last 4 years. One season at a time. And embrace it.

Adding to that his purely innovative tricks and entertainment, and it's just the total attacking package.

Pitches like snooker tables, also make it easy for defenders to twist and turn and recover and hunt you down, whereas when you dribbled past someone on an ice rink, or mud-fest, you left them for dead.

If you have quick feet you can dribble on anything.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Are YOU for real?

When did Best or maradona ever score 53 in a season?

What is the obsession with goals?

We are Tottenham, we don't do goals.

 

[jurgenthegreat]

i agree with most of what the thread op stated, football season by season for me has lost a little bit, the main culprit being europe, uefa have gone out of the way to ruin it for the fans, its all about the CL and nothing else but even then does not get good until 1/4 final stage.

when you had the 3 old comps of cup winners uefa and cl it was a whole of a lot better.

the fa cup being devalued to the point it has has not helped in domestic football

 

[CosmicHotspur]

Old football woz crap...they used to play in tent-shorts...then they invented shorts so tight they cut-off the blood supply to my goolies mg:

That explains a lot. :wink:

 

[Maske2g]

What is the obsession with goals?

We are Tottenham, we don't do goals.

Lets do some goals, and then do a league!!

 

[StartingPrice]

That explains a lot. :wink:

Yeah...why I do this mg:mg:mg: a lot:wink:

 

[Turbo]

I think the large part for me is the total flood of football on tv has ruined the appeal of the game and if anything has reduced the amount I actually can bear to watch now. It used to be once a week going to the game at the weekend, then when Sky came along you got the Sunday matches on tv to go with the live match you went to on Saturday. Then came Monday night football, which was about the time I couldn't get enough of the game. Now it's on all the bloody time and to be honest I find sitting down to watch most CL and WC games tiresome, unless there is a team involved that I really enjoy watching.

 

[Azazello]

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[StartingPrice]

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:rofl:

 

[EastLondonYid]

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:rofl:.....He is what i imagine a few on SC are like :grin:

 

[ExpatFan]

Compare Juan Manuel Fangio and Micheal Schumacher. It's so easy to dismiss Fangio as being a racer from an era of less technology, but back then it was far more to do with individual skill...not to mention the significant dangers involved at that time. Fangio dominated that era of F1 because he was an incredible driver. Schumacher did the same. Pointless in comparing them.

Yes pointless, as Fangio didn't need "team orders" to help him win Grands Prix.

 

[Spurger King]

Yes pointless, as Fangio didn't need "team orders" to help him win Grands Prix.

That race when Barrichello led then had to slow down and let Schumacher past was ridiculous. I was annoyed as a racing fan, but I imagine anyone who had money on Barrichello finishing first would have been livid.

Even Schumacher looked embarrassed when he was on the podium.

 

[Maske2g]

Yes pointless, as Fangio didn't need "team orders" to help him win Grands Prix.

Yeah, Scumacher probably wouldn't have won anything if it weren't for team orders....

He won his first title despite missing 2 races, and there being 4 other drivers for Benetton that year.

If Barrichello was giving way, for Schumacher, why did he only finish runner up in the drivers championship twice, despite being Schumachers partner during 5 of his championship wins?

Formula one is such a poor comparison.

If Hamilton swapped cars with Vettle he would win the world title this year.

 

[Ionman34]

So we all agree. Our players must play drunk next season.

Greaves was the same.

My Old man told me a story about how Greaves went on a bender the night before a game. He still had enough about him, even though he was 4 sheets to the wind, to be worried about whether he'd wake up in time for the match.


So he drove to the ground and slept in the car!


He played the following day and hit a brace.


You know there might just be something to this 'drink beer smerk tabs' before a game malarky.