How much would you pay for a Spurs 'TV season ticket'?

[Matrix]

Don't know if its been put on here already but the matches are going to be on Sky or BT Box Office. Our game with Brighton is on one of the Box Office channels.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

The problem as I see it - is that this opens doors for them to create yet another revenue stream at the expense of the supporters who attend matches. Once this is out it will soon become the norm you wont be able to take away the candy - kick of times which already make planning your life difficult around football, will be even harder with matches put on for a ppv audience at times to suit tv with no regard to the supporters.

You would have thought that with the lack of attendances at football over the recent months football would be crying out to look after those that willing to pay their hard earned. The truth is clubs don't and have never cared they would sooner someone come over once a season spend top notch for a tcket and a good few quid in the club shop and wave a foam hand - rather than a season ticket holder who might buy a programme and a pint.

People will end up paying it much the same as we have done for all the other matches on tele and sure some people can't get to games and its a way for them to watch it but it leaves a sour taste and to some extent if you want to watch football and the expense of travel is the issue go and watch a local side they need you

 

[TC18]

All I am saying if this £15 a match becomes the norm then there is going to be a lot of half empty stadiums on a match day .

Sorry to jump in, I haven’t read any of your previous posts on this but, if people are staying home and paying for there Sky, BT and PPV subs at £15 per match and stadiums aren’t filling, then surely that will drive down the price of tickets to a more sensible figure? Almost a win / win.

I also don’t agree with the price of the PPV and like you won’t be buying it. I drew the line when BT came in, there’s only so much football I can watch and I won’t be paying £70odd a month between 2 tv providers.

 

[$hoguN]

I’m really not quite sure why fans are defending clubs and this pricing. This isn’t a normal season where they are giving the fans the opportunity to choose between travel and PPV. This is totally different. There is an ongoing pandemic, people are out of work and stadiums can’t open. The right thing to do by people is to make games available. Pricing the games at £15 a pop means fans of less popular clubs are more likely to receive the charge. It’s really hard to justify this when Cleese’s alone spent £220 million in the transfer window

 

[wirE]

I wouldn’t pay for one. I pay for my season ticket so should get the games on tv because I pay for that.

That's a fair point.

I'd pay at most £7.50

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

It’s really hard to justify this when Cleese’s alone spent £220 million in the transfer window

Somewhere in the depths of the new stadium

Spoiler

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

So is Brighton the first extra match scheduled? I'll pay 15 pounds. Heck, I'll call them and ask to pay twice that. I could welcome a reason to be "tied up" a couple of hours.


My mother-in-law will be visiting...

 

[vegassd]

...and to some extent if you want to watch football and the expense of travel is the issue go and watch a local side they need you

So I'm 37, I've supported Spurs all my life as have my family, but actually I should just fuck off and support Aldershot Town instead. Great solution!

Look, I get the romanticism of football being a working man's sport where you follow your local team, man and boy, and you exist in a cosy little bubble your whole life going to games. But that's not how the world works any more and it's an entitled opinion. Why can't you accept that the world moves on, different people have different circumstances and not all Spurs fans live within walking distance of WHL?

Just because you go to the matches doesn't mean you are the only type of Spurs fan willing to pay their hard earned money to watch the team. I'm very willing to do that but only up to a point - like I'm sure all of us are. We each have our own level that we can afford but that doesn't define how much of a fan we are. I want to pay to watch Spurs games regularly but without a PPV setup I'm simply unable to.

By the way, I personally think that all season ticket holders should be able to watch home games absolutely free. The irony is that if the Prem was already setup with a PPV system it would be incredibly easy to do just that.

So whilst football is heavily disrupted right now, why not take the opportunity to try out something a bit new. Maybe it falls on it's arse and the powers that be throw it out the window. Or maybe my £15 to watch a game could contribute to knocking £10 off your season ticket price? Until somebody tries it out we are never going to know how it might work. The 3pm blackout was designed to protect match day crowd numbers so there is precedent for the governing bodies taking action should it be required.

If you want to bottle up football revenues inside match tickets and Sky Sports then plenty of lower league clubs are going to go out of business, even without Covid. It will be no good to say "go and support your local club" because your local club won't be there any more.

Yes, this is a new revenue stream for an already rich as fuck business and it's always hard to stomach rich people getting richer still. But at the end of the day it's supply and demand, and as the entertainment industry in general moves towards this sort of content it is inevitable that the showy end of football is going to follow sooner or later.

It is up to the clubs to adapt and respond to the new environment. It is not up to you as a Spurs fan saying that I as a Spurs fan should not be allowed to watch certain games.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

thing I do agree with is that season ticket holders should at the very least have some of the price of this knocked off, at least for the home matches, the must be an easy way to facilitate this with codes of some sort.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

It is up to the clubs to adapt and respond to the new environment. It is not up to you as a Spurs fan saying that I as a Spurs fan should not be allowed to watch certain games.

but the point is you have never been able to watch all the games unless you went to matches - the world is changing and tv and demand is king but at the expense of the supporters who go to games those people aren't privileged we pay a lot of money and sacrifice a lot of time for it - its long since you can't plan your weekends months in advance around 3 o clock on Saturday afternoon

Once PPV is here its another step towards the almost inevitable break up of football as we know it and a European Super League with soul less football franchises no relegation and a comfortable income for the money men running football. Its surely not much of a co-incidence that we have the PPV stuff come out in the week that the so called big six come out with their plans for football

Frankly I think I might prefer Aldershot on a Saturday afternoon

 

[vegassd]

but the point is you have never been able to watch all the games unless you went to matches - the world is changing and tv and demand is king but at the expense of the supporters who go to games those people aren't privileged we pay a lot of money and sacrifice a lot of time for it - its long since you can't plan your weekends months in advance around 3 o clock on Saturday afternoon

Very true, and I don't want to sound like I'm knocking ST holders who turn up every weekend and sing their support. You and those other supporters should get a better service/experience than me because you give your money and more importantly your time at a far higher level than I do.

I suppose what I'm saying is rather than saying ST holders should stay the same and everybody else should be less, why not bring up the whole experience for all types of fans? Let people like me watch more games and contribute more than I previously could, and in turn give people like yourself the matchday experience, plus the Spurs TV or VOD or whatever stuff too, plus extra cup games, plus a more regimented schedule to plan your life around.

Once PPV is here its another step towards the almost inevitable break up of football as we know it and a European Super League with soul less football franchises no relegation and a comfortable income for the money men running football. Its surely not much of a co-incidence that we have the PPV stuff come out in the week that the so called big six come out with their plans for football

The coincidence will be down to whoever it was who actually broke the story. It's clear that these conversations have been going on for years now. It may well be that whoever leaked it did have the timing of the PPV announcement in mind - assuming they were privy to both things.

At the end of the day the wold will inevitably move on and it's better to move with it than to moan about the "good old days" I reckon. Spotify didn't destroy the music industry - it revolutionised it. Same for Netflix and Amazon and Facebook. I'm sure plenty of people thought the Premier League itself was going to "ruin football". Those businesses succeeded because there was consumer demand for what they were doing. The same will be true for PPV football.

Frankly I think I might prefer Aldershot on a Saturday afternoon

You are very welcome to it my friend!

I think the Spurs and Chelsea youth teams actually play there every now and then but it's quite an "experience" of a town!!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Very true, and I don't want to sound like I'm knocking ST holders who turn up every weekend and sing their support. You and those other supporters should get a better service/experience than me because you give your money and more importantly your time at a far higher level than I do.

I take umbrage with this!


I’m West stand. We don’t sing.

 

[Trotter]

All I am saying if this £15 a match becomes the norm then there is going to be a lot of half empty stadiums on a match day .
Those that are saying it will not happen are deluded because if it transpires the Tv companies and the clubs can make more money from it they will go down the road that pays the most money as they have no real care for the fans .
You only have to look at the evidence in the plan by Man Unt and Liverpool to transform the present structure .
The present structure is fine from what I can see it is just a tweek when to play International matches for me mid season international matches are a blot on the landscape . if there was no mid season internationals that puts back a month extra to get a congested season completed .Thus the season finishes a month early and give the different countries a month to concentrate on matches .
But nothing in the football world is set up to help the fans .
I wonder if there is many football fans that think this Man Unt / Liverpool idea is good for football in the long term .
For me its all about money and will make the gap between premier league clubs and EFL clubs even wider .
My own intention is that they are not going to get a penny from me even at £14.99 a crack and thats even if its spurs playing the greedy buggers .

I disagree that there would be half empty stadiums on matchday due to PPV.

It is a totally different product actually going to the game, than watching it on TV, and with 3/4 of our games previously having been on TV it had no effect on the crowds, which is also why I despair at people comparing how much it costs (£ 14.95) compared to how much they spend going to game and ticket cost, and say they will make a saving, they are not comparing the same thing in any way,

 

[The Doc]

So is Brighton the first extra match scheduled? I'll pay 15 pounds. Heck, I'll call them and ask to pay twice that. I could welcome a reason to be "tied up" a couple of hours.


My mother-in-law will be visiting...

Damn Bro. Thought you were dead. Good to see you are still zinging them out.

 

[buckley]

Once football became available to watch for all in Italy on TV and that is just subscription TV like Sky and BT the crowds dropped dramatically and apart from certain Stella games the crowds are poor the exception being Juventus and that is because they are the only ones that can afford to practically give the tickets for much less than the norm .You only have to watch their games on tv and the wide open spaces are there for all to see .
Roma and Lazio in the olympic stadium is like a " spot the ball competition " only its spot the spectator .
So I strongly believe that all games being made available on PPV will drastically affect attendances here and the atmosphere in grounds will be much less than they are at this moment in time when almost all premiership games are sold out .
It costs me and my sons what is quite a lot of money for us to go and watch the matches which we gladly do
If you are going to drastically dilute the experience and the atmosphere then all three of us might as well watch from home paying £15 divided three ways easy peasy .. It sounds like the two American owned clubs have had an input on this " you can have up to 8 games PPV when you are not one of the selected TV games ". As I say the bullshit about helping football is doing my head in its all about " what is the quickest and best way for ME to make money " greedy gets one and all .
The reason this £ 15 ppl could become the norm is that the two clubs pushing for all this and other changes know they have a worldwide fanbase who would happily pay up as they cannot attend in any case . This would push their finances further away from everybody else than what they are already.

 

[JeremyPaxton]

The reality is that for the last 5 years the majority of Spurs games have been available on a combination of BT/Sky subscriptions that were/are a lot cheaper than a ST. People don't spend hours of their lives going to and from games, getting rained on, queueing at Tottenham Hale or Seven Sisters after totting up the latest TV subscription packages in Excel or because of an OCD to make triple sure that we can see the Sat 3pm KO against Burnley live.

We do it because to live the game live with the players and each other as fans is huge, powerful experience. PPV won't change that. The Lane will still be full for pretty much every game that matters.

PPV will let fans who can't make it to the stadium (for family reasons, for distance reasons, for whatever reason) more able to watch every game, but at significant extra cost. That's it. Anyone who thinks the South Stand will be empty for the next time the Spammers are in is kidding themselves

 

[buckley]

You are saying that our games are available well most of them on TV this is true but only if you are signed up to Bt / Sky / Amazon / and together its approx £100 a month . That says to me that games are not as available as you imply . And this £ 15 a game is a red herring because before you pay your £ 15 a match you would need to be signed up to one if not all of these outlets BT/Sky / Amazon /
That is unless its decided that terrestrial TV iE BBC or ITV can also be allowed to show these £15 a go games and because they do not pay into the pot for live games as do Sky etc it is unlikely they will be included in the group that can show the £15 games .
I am a very cynical person or perhaps a realist there is no way they are going to make these games easy for anyone to be able to watch and by that I mean in this country As there is the vested interest of all televised outlets .
Of course if you live abroad it will be easy to access as televised games abroad are not a threat to the TV outlets we have in this country .
This whole thing is not about making things easier for the fans its about " how much money can I squeeze out of these mugs "
As say abroad their will be no restrictions to who can grab the £15 a game as it is no threat to Sky BT etc .
In this country I think you are delude if you think its only going to cost you £15 to watch a game and as I say Sky and Bt will make sure they have your monthly subscription before you can access the £15 match you want to watch .
It is all about getting more money not making it cheaper or easier .

 

[Maxtremist]

You are saying that our games are available well most of them on TV this is true but only if you are signed up to Bt / Sky / Amazon / and together its approx £100 a month . That says to me that games are not as available as you imply . And this £ 15 a game is a red herring because before you pay your £ 15 a match you would need to be signed up to one if not all of these outlets BT/Sky / Amazon /
That is unless its decided that terrestrial TV iE BBC or ITV can also be allowed to show these £15 a go games and because they do not pay into the pot for live games as do Sky etc it is unlikely they will be included in the group that can show the £15 games .
I am a very cynical person or perhaps a realist there is no way they are going to make these games easy for anyone to be able to watch and by that I mean in this country As there is the vested interest of all televised outlets .
Of course if you live abroad it will be easy to access as televised games abroad are not a threat to the TV outlets we have in this country .
This whole thing is not about making things easier for the fans its about " how much money can I squeeze out of these mugs "
As say abroad their will be no restrictions to who can grab the £15 a game as it is no threat to Sky BT etc .
In this country I think you are delude if you think its only going to cost you £15 to watch a game and as I say Sky and Bt will make sure they have your monthly subscription before you can access the £15 match you want to watch .
It is all about getting more money not making it cheaper or easier .

Wrong on this, the whole point/thing with Sky and BT Box Office is you don't need to be a part of their main subscriptions to be able to buy Box Office content. So it would just be £15 for the game if you just wanted to watch that game and that game alone. That's literally how they do all Box Office things, so not sure why it would suddenly change or why you think it would change for the Premier League?

Similarly as well, the first part of your point suggest in people getting Sky, BT, Amazon and paying this £100 a month... that they're only doing it to watch Spurs/Football? I can't speak for everyone but I feel that isn't the case. Sky shows more than football and that's what we use our subscription for, more than just watching football. Same with the BT's and Amazon's so boiling it down to that I think kinda ignores the other things these subscription services provide and do.

I still generally think the £15 per game price is too high. I think as a monthly thing then maybe I'd be more inclined to be behind it. That being said I also don't think £15 is such the outrage and death of football that many are decrying it to be. Given it's games that in any other season wouldn't be shown on TV in the first place. Yes, we all understand and are aware that this is not like any other season but these are still the 3pm Saturday games etc... that weren't originally selected for Broadcast that now are.

 

[vegassd]

I am a very cynical person or perhaps a realist

The first one.

Of course if you live abroad it will be easy to access as televised games abroad are not a threat to the TV outlets we have in this country .
This whole thing is not about making things easier for the fans its about " how much money can I squeeze out of these mugs "
As say abroad their will be no restrictions to who can grab the £15 a game as it is no threat to Sky BT etc .

I think you may be confusing the proposals. In general, overseas territories get better access to televised games because it is not seen as any threat to stadium attendances. A viewer in Singapore is not going to be flying in every other weekend to attend a game so letting them watch everything on TV isn't a problem.

As I understand the new box office allocations, they are going to be available to Sky & BT customers in the UK. Viewers watching from abroad will be using whatever service is available in their country. You're right that UK viewers will need to have the relevant subscription in the first place, but that's par for the course. Those customers will of course get the full service from those subscriptions (other sports etc.) which some people will use/enjoy and others wont. But that's how life works.

Before you call people deluded for a third time, perhaps you could consider those outside of your own circumstances. Do you have friends who are Spurs fans who never go the WHL - what do they think about PPV? Do you have friends with Sky/BT but who support teams that don't often get shown in the normal TV schedule - what do they think?

I think it's very easy to let the cynicism take over here. Some people seem to think Sky are going to move all their blockbuster games onto PPV and it will costs £100's per month to watch but I'm fairly confident viewers would vote with their feet on that one. The Sky model is based on a high price for premium content (eg. the big games) and if that core product changes their viewership will drop.

Don't get me wrong - the TV companies care far more about money than fans and they will do what they can to make as much of it as possible. But the highest profits don't come by simply charging the highest prices - it's about being competitive and for a broadcaster it's about keeping viewer numbers up.

If PPV picks up we may well see prices come down in order to attract more customers, particularly through portals like NowTV. And as those revenues grow and get filtered through to the clubs (as they will have to) any clubs which do see a drop in match attendance can decrease ticket prices in order to get fans back in to support the team and buy a programme, pie and a pint.

 

[buckley]

What you are saying is true on box office events lets say a few times a year boxing match or some occasional pop star but football is the lifeblood of the Sky and Bt . if you think for one minute they are going to let you watch and I am not talking short term but in the long run there will be some kind of charge . The reason I say this is why would I bother paying them companies £100 month when I can cancel all my subscriptions and watch a game when I want for £15 . Of course what you say may or probably is correct but I am a cynic and I dont believe these Sky and BT people are going to risk losing their 6 to 7 million monthly payers.So that the nice football fans can watch their team for £15 a crack . I say all this in the long term not these interim measurements because of cv19 they are a business and these people do not do things to help the masses their aim is to fleece the masses .