How it is and how it needs to be!

[muppetman]

I would go further.
What would give us stability would be if all key components were to be singing from the same hymn-sheet.
The problem is getting that. I thought we had it with AVB. He requested Baldini, so surely those two would work well together, right? He must have had a very good idea of how the club was being run, and that included InterTim's role and the emphasis being placed upon having a club style and the youth set-up, right? And yet there was little honeymoon period before, apparently, AVB and Baldini discovered their eyes didn't quite see to one another! AVB decided that he wanted players he apparently knew at the outset would be mostly unattainable, being at fees and wages we couldn't afford and at a level were it would be hard to convince them to join little old us. Apparently, AVB banned Sherwood from first team training and ring-fenced the first team squad! Sherwood slated Baldini almost immediately, according to ITK!

That is where the shambles starts. Either Levy has to recognise that this set-up doesn't work in England (and I have always been supportive of his attempts to establish it here), or he simply he has to ensure that they all know what their own and everyone else's roles are and preferably they can work together, too, without behaving like a bunch of misfits from a kids comic strip about kids who get on like a bunch of spanners.

Because, and I still maintain this, our squad may be lacking leaders and some of them may give up all too easily, but we have a technically very good squad. What we need is someone to actually forge them into a team, a proper unit that fights for one another and, as Sherwood said yesterday (and, I suspect, was talking from experience) fight one another if needs be, tell one another to buck their fahooking ideas up, rather than moping about while the season appears to fall apart around them, and then be friends and have some fun in training again the next day.

Agree with this. I think it is part of the reason I was so upset that AVB got the push as it meant the end of the whole plan.

For me the idea of buying bright young talent that we can sell on at a profit was a good one - although not perhaps so many all at one time.
For me the idea of a DoF who goes out and gets the agreed upon targets was a good one - and seemed to work.
For me the idea of being financially stable and building a new ground to start to compete with the Top 4 was a good one.

My biggest fear is that once again it will all go out the window and we are back to square one.

 

[only1waddle]

How it needs to be? Liverpool are showing us how it needs to be.

Just look at Liverpool, several seasons behind us and look how quickly it can turn around. Since Henry came in they are building. They moved on the shit that previous managers bought, and Rodgers has built on his team. We have never built from foundations, we are always selling of our foundations, if you get my drift.

It's reported Liverpool will get £60m to spend if they reach the CL this season. Since when did we spend such money? Let's talk about net spending!

I read a few days ago we have spent less than anyone in the past five years. It is beginning to show. What good is a 60k stadium with a second rate team?

We just spent £160 million in the last 4 transfer windows, but it doesn't count because we didn't net spend? what nonsense, we speculate to accumulate and it will always be that way because we are a business, as are most of the clubs outside of Chelsea and Man City in the entire Football League, the problems we have is spending the money, there seems to have been no clear vision, at best it seems to have been "oh look, £100 million, lets blow the lot".
The net spend argument holds no water whatsoever. Its all about the poor football decisions.

 

[beats1]

How it needs to be? Liverpool are showing us how it needs to be.

Just look at Liverpool, several seasons behind us and look how quickly it can turn around. Since Henry came in they are building. They moved on the shit that previous managers bought, and Rodgers has built on his team. We have never built from foundations, we are always selling of our foundations, if you get my drift.

It's reported Liverpool will get £60m to spend if they reach the CL this season. Since when did we spend such money? Let's talk about net spending!

I read a few days ago we have spent less than anyone in the past five years. It is beginning to show. What good is a 60k stadium with a second rate team?

Liverpool cant spend big this season as they have failed financial fair play!

They have to make a profit next season!

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/will-liverpool-face-any-ffp-punishment-

 

[hodsgod]

We just spent £160 million in the last 4 transfer windows, but it doesn't count because we didn't net spend? what nonsense, we speculate to accumulate and it will always be that way because we are a business, as are most of the clubs outside of Chelsea and Man City in the entire Football League, the problems we have is spending the money, there seems to have been no clear vision, at best it seems to have been "oh look, £100 million, lets blow the lot".
The net spend argument holds no water whatsoever. Its all about the poor football decisions.

It's not nonsense at all, and one thing you are ignoring is the fact that you weaken a squad when you sell a player. If you want evidence you only have to look at the last summer transfer window. According to your reckoning we invested over £100m, well how come we are worse than last season?

Ideally there would be a foolproof method of evaluating a player and at the end of a transfer window you could tell if you strengthened or not, there is no method and measuring it monetarily we have not invested. That is not debatable.

I couldn't agree more that we spunked the £100m

 

[hodsgod]

Liverpool cant spend big this season as they have failed financial fair play!

They have to make a profit next season!

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/will-liverpool-face-any-ffp-punishment-

Do you really think FFP will ever be properly implemented, I don't. Can you see City not being in the champions league next season? I only said it's reported that they will get £60m, here is the report.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...t-Liverpool-secure-Champions-League-spot.html

 

[only1waddle]

It's not nonsense at all, and one thing you are ignoring is the fact that you weaken a squad when you sell a player. If you want evidence you only have to look at the last summer transfer window. According to your reckoning we invested over £100m, well how come we are worse than last season?

Ideally there would be a foolproof method of evaluating a player and at the end of a transfer window you could tell if you strengthened or not, there is no method and measuring it monetarily we have not invested. That is not debatable.

I couldn't agree more that we spunked the £100m

We are worse because of football decisions and the direction of the club, we could go and net spend another £100m but we would still be left without a clear vision.


I don't understand you point about weakening the squad when you sell a player, we are not in the position to keep players like Bale, it's a food chain and we weaken other teams when we buy their best players, the problem is the type of players we bought, we didn't replace Bale as well as we should have done.

 

[beats1]

Do you really think FFP will ever be properly implemented, I don't. Can you see City not being in the champions league next season? I only said it's reported that they will get £60m, here is the report.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...t-Liverpool-secure-Champions-League-spot.html

I think it will since the Italians are the ones pushing it and they are the ones who need it more than anyone else. As for city they spent most of their money on Youth and Staduim upgrades, so its only on until we see their accounts will we know how much they owe. Also there was a image rights sale iirc that helped them beat it and it will be seen how UEFA deal with it. This summer is a huge one for UEFA and it will be interesting what happens

 

[Wirral Spurs]

Levy wants to eat at the top table of European football on EPL mid table money. He will keep on employing and sacking people in every department until he gets there. A plan that is doomed to failure but has generally improved us in the process.

 

[Toela65]

Liverpool cant spend big this season as they have failed financial fair play!

They have to make a profit next season!

http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/will-liverpool-face-any-ffp-punishment-

Daniel Geey (@FootballLaw) who is one of the top Footy Lawyers in the country and has been heavily involved with FFP since its inception has said there are no FFP concerns for LFC because all our debt is simply from loans given to the club by the FSG consortium.

This will be made into equity before Dec this year and that solves that problem. He later said also, that because Liverpool didn't play in any UEFA comps this season, this also means the recently published accounts don't even have to be filed with UEFA for FFP so their irrelevant anyway.

David Conn reported too that because of all the recent commercial deals that Ayre has struck with people like Vauxhall, Dunkin Donuts and Garuda Air for sponsorship, when these finally sow up on the next few seasons accounts, it will cause LFC's overall losses to decrease steadily year on year, and that, apparently, is also good enough for UEFA Conn says.

I don't understand any of it but Geey and Conn are experts on it and if they, as well as Ed Thompson say there are no worries for us for the above reasons, then thats good enough for me TBH.

The real problem is for clubs like PSG and City who simply invented 'sponsorship' deals between the clubs and companies that are also owned by the clubs owners.

 

[hodsgod]

We are worse because of football decisions and the direction of the club, we could go and net spend another £100m but we would still be left without a clear vision.


I don't understand you point about weakening the squad when you sell a player, we are not in the position to keep players like Bale, it's a food chain and we weaken other teams when we buy their best players, the problem is the type of players we bought, we didn't replace Bale as well as we should have done.

It's a simple point, the fact is when we sell players we do weaken the squad, it's a general concept and nothing to do with bale specifically. Therefore the true measure is not spending £100m and saying we failed to strengthen the team. As we basically didn't spend any money, and in fact the the team is worse.

You can not ignore the net spend.

 

[Macspur261]

I honestly don't think I was as fed up as I am now when we were mid table dross season after season.
It's the hope that kills you really, it seemed a couple of seasons back that we could be nearly there with a couple of tweaks, but now ..................
It's as far away as it ever was.

 

[hodsgod]

I think it will since the Italians are the ones pushing it and they are the ones who need it more than anyone else. As for city they spent most of their money on Youth and Staduim upgrades, so its only on until we see their accounts will we know how much they owe. Also there was a image rights sale iirc that helped them beat it and it will be seen how UEFA deal with it. This summer is a huge one for UEFA and it will be interesting what happens

I honestly don't expect FFP to be implemented ever. City have magically gone to second in income £250m or thereabouts if my memory is correct. They just sponsored themselves out of debt!

 

[beats1]

I honestly don't expect FFP to be implemented ever. City have magically gone to second in income £250m or thereabouts if my memory is correct. They just sponsored themselves out of debt!

They haven't mate, they have been winning, their sponsorship is legit because its only like £20mill. The only thing that is contentious is the sale of image rights.

 

[hodsgod]

They haven't mate, they have been winning, their sponsorship is legit because its only like £20mill. The only thing that is contentious is the sale of image rights.

Yes that's right image rights, not sponsorship. They sold their image rights and it's probably to themselves somewhere.

 

[beats1]

Yes that's right image rights, not sponsorship. They sold their image rights and it's probably to themselves somewhere.

We will wait and see how UEFA assess this move but I don't think anyone is expecting them to ban them.

As for the increased revenue, they are a big team, they have won the league, have africa's best player as well as other great players and have CL every season. They have simply grown as result of the money injected.

 

[hodsgod]

We will wait and see how UEFA assess this move but I don't think anyone is expecting them to ban them.

As for the increased revenue, they are a big team, they have won the league, have africa's best player as well as other great players and have CL every season. They have simply grown as result of the money injected.

They have improved yes, but still some question marks. I have been reading up on them.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-uefas-financial-fair-play-rules-9097609.html

 

[LiamJM10]

Net spend has everything to do with things.

Yes we spent £100m but that was on REPLACING players. We didn't spend £100m improving the team, we spent it on trying to maintain it.

If we'd spent £100m on improving the team, then fair enough. But we didn't. And we haven't for a long time as we always lose a big player and thus spend to replace/accommodate their departure. It's why we've failed to progress as we could have done. We've done well to maintain a good 5th place average finish for the best part of a decade given the number of players we've sold. And up against teams with far larger finances (who can FREELY spend) and have larger wage bills.

We're doing better than we should be.

 

[Oshi]

I failed to read the article due to being mesmerised by the capital letters after every comma.

 

[fridgemagnet]

You know somethings not right with your set-up when in the time i've supported Spurs (20 managers been and 19 have gone) certain things have remained the same or any improvements have been fairly short lived.

Defensively poor.

Movement poor.

Passing slow.

Support to the front players slow.

Crossing Poor.

Poor from set plays both for and against.

Unfit (bar one season under Ramos)

An abundance of injuries (funny enough we had very few under Ramos, you'd think someone may have spotted a pattern)

Crap medical staff or rehab staff or medical advisors (who evers in-tray it falls under)

We've been very naive in every area of the club and on the pitch.

We've never had a complete team, we've had the strike force but not the defense, the defence but not the strike force, a competent defence and strike force but no midfield to put the two together.

We've always sold our best players just when we are only in need of one or two key players which puts us back yet again.

Always been far too bloody nice to officials and other teams, yes it could be a commendable attribute and two or three seasons ago i'd have said and probably did say "i'm glad our players don't behave like the Terry's and Ferdinands of this world" but actually i think the reason we don't is because we are too spineless to do that anyway.

Our away form was always crap (i think credit goes to André for doing something about that maybe Harry started it i've forgotten)

18 bloody managers in and only one went and sorted out our weak centre with Palacios.

Time and time again we sign great players usually a premium and they turn into toilet as soon as the ink's dry on the THFC contract, i've lost count at the number of great deadball players we sign and come the white shirt they can't clear the first man.

It can't be just me that sees these things.

AVB had us looking as solid as i've ever seen us just a shame the bastard was too bloody rigid and too stubborn.

We have this fantabulous new training complex that appears nobody really knows how to get the best out of it.

Now i've not got the facts to hand but under the owners we've had since Venables was in charge how many of the board members/shareholders then are still on the "committee" now? because that to me is where a lot of problems lay, Dan is a numbers man and he's very good at that but what "football" people have his ear?

As it is it seems like too many people from pitch up to boardroom are only out for themselves.

Yes ultimately of late there's been eleven players on the pitch a large chunk of whom look they couldn't give two farts if we win or lose but in 20 managers i genuinely struggle to recall how often we've looked like a team.

 

[yankspurs]

It starts at the top. The club is a dumpster fire right now. New ownership and structure is needed and they cannot be afraid to spend. We actually had some structure with Andre and Franco and I actually had faith we were going in the right direction. That was gone the moment Andre got the sack. We've been going backwards as a club ever since.