Harry Kane

[soflapaul]

You make good points - but my opinion really breaks down like this - I like Richarlison in this role, and think he is capable of producing goals, and also setting up others. I also think Son might be better suited for the striker role, than the winger role - so, if we are looking for that moment of brilliance - its more likely to come from Sonny, who can be clinical, than Richarlison.

Then it comes to Scarlett and Veliz - I really like both of them in this role, long-term. So, if we brought in a striker to compete with Richarlison - we could be blocking Son from playing that role, and Scarlett and Veliz from showing what they can do. And, I think that a lot of this role requires the kind of youthful energy and tenacity that Scarlett and Veliz will both bring - even though they both lack experience.

In an ideal world - we keep Kane, and if he signs a long-term deal next summer, I would sell Richi, and let Scarlett and Veliz back up Kane.

But bring in a good winger now - and we have Son's long-term replacement or competition for Kulusevski right now. I love Perisic - but he is not a long-term answer at that position. And we can still use Son as the striker, if we need to find minutes.

Bring in a striker, and we still have no long-term winger solution.

Perisic may not be a long term answer but he affords us time if he stays and we can be looking at whose coming off contract in the next 1-2 years. The question is whether or not we're convinced that Sonny can play in the middle of the pitch against the top 6. My gut, which has been wrong on plenty of occasions, is that Sonny thrives when his primary concern is what is in front of him. He's still good in tight spaces for short periods but i can't say that i've had the impression that he is consistently good when he's in a crowd.

 

[alfie103]

Winning post.

Will Richarlison replace Kane in terms of goal output - definitely not.
Can Richarlison get 20+ goals in a season - yes, he's proved it for Brazil.

What we need is more threat from the wings. It's also much easier to get a top notch winger for £40-60m than it is to get a top quality CF for that kind of money.

Against inferior opposition and with better players

 

[Rusta81]

This team will create more goal scoring opportunities for the front 5 across the board ( Let alone the inverted full back s), we shouldn’t need to rely on just one man … although if he stays kane will likely hit more prem goals this .season than he has ever done before

 

[Trix]

Imagine this scenario.

Kane stays and we finish above United, make the CL and they miss out.

And he still signs for them

In that scenario we've qualified for the champions league which means we receive a big windfall of cash, have CL football so it's easier to bring in a top class replacement, and we will have proven the rest of this young side capable of pushing us on. I'll take the one loss for those 3 victories in all honesty.

 

[Wogan92]

I want Kane to stay, desperately.

However, in this system Oliver Skipp has so far scored two goals (I know it is only pre season). Just shows the goals will come as that is more than he has managed in about three seasons

That being said, Harry will score an absolute bucket full if he stays!

 

[Styopa]

Imagine this scenario.

Kane stays and we finish above United, make the CL and they miss out.

And he still signs for them

Then the narrative of, 'Going to win something' would no longer make much sense.

In fairness, he might still have a better chance of winning something with them. In 15/16 and 16/17, they finished 5th and 6th but won the FA cup and League cup.

In all seriousness, I doubt that would be enough for Kane. But it's worth remembering that Man U have won 4 trophies during Kane's career (1 FA cup 2x League Cups + 1 Europa League) despite being a mess and supposedly an inferior team to us for large periods.

 

[brasil_spur]

Against inferior opposition and with better players

Opposition is always a tough one to compare when it's National side versus a league side, not sure that's simple to call. I can't see Serbia being worse than say Luton.

Better players - again somewhat debatable, but let's say yes to an extent. However it's more about him being played as a no. 9 in an attacking football team IMO.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Imagine this scenario.

Kane stays and we finish above United, make the CL and they miss out.

And he still signs for them

I don't see that.

If Kane stays, I like Spurs' chances of resigning him next summer - particularly if we make CL, and United miss out.


I get that I can get overly optimistic - but, I think Kane is going to have a lot of fun this year if he stays - not just scoring goals, but really having fun on the pitch. If you also show improvement as a squad - I think that is enough to sway a 31-yo Kane to stay for a big contract.

If he scores loads of goals, but we miss out on CL - then I could see him going to another team.

 

[yankspurs]

I want Kane to stay, desperately.

However, in this system Oliver Skipp has so far scored two goals (I know it is only pre season). Just shows the goals will come as that is more than he has managed in about three seasons

That being said, Harry will score an absolute bucket full if he stays!

A healthy Harry Kane in this system with 1 game a week is scoring 40+ & will finally get at least 1 more PL hat trick to his name, probably more.

 

[alfie103]

Opposition is always a tough one to compare when it's National side versus a league side, not sure that's simple to call. I can't see Serbia being worse than say Luton.

Better players - again somewhat debatable, but let's say yes to an extent. However it's more about him being played as a no. 9 in an attacking football team IMO.

For me, most premier league defences are going to be better than 80% of national teams' defences. I must admit I think Richarlison is just an average premier league footballer who will get around 10-12 goals when playing as the No. 1 striker. He is just isn't that good.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

For me, most premier league defences are going to be better than 80% of national teams' defences. I must admit I think Richarlison is just an average premier league footballer who will get around 10-12 goals when playing as the No. 1 striker. He is just isn't that good.

There were only 13 players who scored 12+ goals in the league last season. 7 of them strikers.

If a player scores 12 PL goals - they are pretty good, they are not just "average"

 

[Ron Burgundy]

There were only 13 players who scored 12+ goals in the league last season. 7 of them strikers.

If a player scores 12 PL goals - they are pretty good, they are not just "average"

Well said

 

[spurs mental]

 

[Daredevil]

It was only a matter of time before someone made one of these.

 

[mil1lion]

Having a striker who can score 30 goals sets is apart though

 

[yido_number1]

There were only 13 players who scored 12+ goals in the league last season. 7 of them strikers.

If a player scores 12 PL goals - they are pretty good, they are not just "average"

13 players got 12+ Richarlison got 1. I don't mind him as a wf which is where the majority of his premier League experience is. As a CF he's not clinical enough and never will be.

 

[St José Dominguez]

In that scenario we've qualified for the champions league which means we receive a big windfall of cash, have CL football so it's easier to bring in a top class replacement, and we will have proven the rest of this young side capable of pushing us on. I'll take the one loss for those 3 victories in all honesty.

And then in season 24/25 we have 3 games a week bedding in a new striker with a group of players who after having a great season have lost their go to man who will likely regularly dig them out of holes in tight games. All that may lead to us not qualifying for the CL that season.
Maybe keeping Kane for one season will be the springboard to us going from strength to strength over the next 3 or 4 seasons but on the flip side it could quite easily be a massive kick in the balls if he leaves on a free after we’ve finally got the team back on track.

We don’t know if he’ll sign a new deal obviously but if it was certain he wasn’t, the question for me is is it better to be a worse side now without Kane at the beginning of the rebuild/Ange era when we only have domestic games or in a year when we could have CL games too and potentially need to also maybe replace Son. I’m torn but I’ll be massively patient with Postecoglu through this because what’s occurring now and will likely occur next summer isn’t really ideal at all.

 

[alfie103]

There were only 13 players who scored 12+ goals in the league last season. 7 of them strikers.

If a player scores 12 PL goals - they are pretty good, they are not just "average"

Well if he ends up top scorer with 12 then it doesn't really suggest we are going to do well next year. Plus he doesn't really bring anything else to the table

 

[KirstyG]

This is all great if you are going to create bundles of chances every game because we are consistently camped around the opponents box. I'm under no illusion that won't be the case in quite a few games in the Premier league. I love the new front foot constant attack football approach but do I think we will be able to do that against the better Prem teams? No is the simple answer. I think the game will ebb and flow with both sides having to defend extended periods of games. That is when being clinical is required as you aren't going to create big numbers of clear cut chances. I get your point that a poacher is more important to an Ange team than a genuine genius footballing CF but the big point is we currently have a genius who is also a great poacher. If we sell Kane it's a string to our bow that we've lost.

Surely you agree that whilst we don't need to rely on that single player having a moment of genius under Ange, having that in our side is better than not having it? If Kane goes I don't want to rely on the system always doing the work if we can bring in a player that fits that system but can also produce moments of magic when things aren't going to plan.

This is my fear too. I’m enjoying football for the first time but we are going to struggle hugely with no plan B. Sometimes a game needs to be closed out and managed (boring I know) there needs to be a halfway house particularly for those games. The pace and quality of attacking players in EPL mean we will be punished more often than not.

 

[yido_number1]

And then in season 24/25 we have 3 games a week bedding in a new striker with a group of players who after having a great season have lost their go to man who will likely regularly dig them out of holes in tight games. All that may lead to us not qualifying for the CL that season.
Maybe keeping Kane for one season will be the springboard to us going from strength to strength over the next 3 or 4 seasons but on the flip side it could quite easily be a massive kick in the balls if he leaves on a free after we’ve finally got the team back on track.

We don’t know if he’ll sign a new deal obviously but if it was certain he wasn’t, the question for me is is it better to be a worse side now without Kane at the beginning of the rebuild/Ange era when we only have domestic games or in a year when we could have CL games too and potentially need to also maybe replace Son. I’m torn but I’ll be massively patient with Postecoglu through this because what’s occurring now and will likely occur next summer isn’t really ideal at all.

If we're gonna lose him would you not rather gradually bed someone in this year so he can see what is required and then if kane goes he's ready to slot in. It's less of a cold start and less pressure coming in gradually.

Also you have the benefit of all the others knowing the system really well to help you out.