Harry Kane

[jbstarr14]

What else do you need from them as just playing devil’s advocate here Kane has:
- played for us for 10+ years = longevity
- captained the club at times
- scored goals in big games and against many London rivals and celebrated like he’s won the World Cup - passion
- he’s connected with the fans
- he’s apart from the very recent run to the press he’s behaved like a model pro
- he’s put 110% effort in week after week match after match season after season
- he’s tried to move the club forward and galvanise others around him

What else would you be looking for in a player for them to be a legend?

That’s the thing - I don’t know…

Like I said in my response to A&C, I don’t understand it myself. I mean, I know I should consider him a legend, but I just don’t feel it.

it’s like being in a pub at closing time and ‘Wonderwall’ comes on the jukebox. Everyone’s singing their hearts out and saying what a classic it is, and I’m looking around wondering what it is that I just don’t get…

 

[Donki]

And there's the bitterness. So we disagree then. Thank you.

How much should we let him go for then? Should we accept a low ball offer because of all the joy and memories he brought us? Personably I think he should be sold if he wants to go, no need for a transfer request, but if no club comes in with an acceptable offer what are you going to do, with Jack Gerealish going for £100m, why would we accept anything less than £150M?

 

[jbstarr14]

What does it take then? Spending their entire adult life with the club? Captaining the club? Taking us to PL title challenges? Beating Madrid? Scoring the final Spurs goal at WHL? Scoring bucketloads v Arsenal?

Genuinely curious because in my mind he has done more bar winning a trophy than so many that are considered 'legends'.

As I’ve said - I really don’t know. I just don’t feel it… I can’t really explain it I’m afraid.

 

[Timberwolf]

That’s the thing - I don’t know…

Like I said in my response to A&C, I don’t understand it myself. I mean, I know I should consider him a legend, but I just don’t feel it.

it’s like being in a pub at closing time and ‘Wonderwall’ comes on the jukebox. Everyone’s singing their hearts out and saying what a classic it is, and I’m looking around wondering what it is that I just don’t get…

I think it's probably down to charisma.

Players like VDV, Ginola and Son will always connect with the fans in a way that Kane never will. Even though Kane is objectively a far more important, effective player for Spurs, he doesn't have that undeniable charisma that makes certain players cult icons and truly 'loved'.

It's easy to love Harry as a player, but it's when you love someone as a player AND a person, that you get that special connection.

 

[McFlash]

I think we should leave the "legend" discussion for a while. Let the dust settle, the emotions to quieten down and the minds to clear first.
Then see how we feel.

 

[Scouseyid]

Just to weigh in on this "legend" stuff, in my opinion, too many fans & media throw the term about without justification. Much like the term "world class".

Honestly to me, is Kane a legend? Now, no he isn't. If he stays & breaks the Greaves record, wins a few bits etc, then yes. But now, he's done nothing to justify the label. Just as many others over the last 20-30 years are called Legends &/or World Class by fans. I'm sorry, but there's no true justification for it. Surely a legend is an individual that leaves a legacy...Blanchflower, Mackay, Greaves, Jennings, Burkinshaw, Ossie etc.

The last true Legend we had, in my opinion, is probably Gary Mabbutt! Many GREAT players have come along since like Ginola, Rafa, Bale etc, but they don't tick the legend box for me. They're just memorable servants.

I know many will disagree with that sentiment, that's fine. It's just the way I approach it.

 

[Spartanspurs]

Vertoghen then is a huge legend, could have left us as one of the world best ball playing CB’s during AVB’s tenure but stuck around during some pretty bleak times.

IMO Jan is a legend though. Everyone around the club still loves him and he'll be remembered forever by every fan that saw him play. There's a reason so many fans are desperate to see him back as a coach. Kane will probably also be a "legend" for his output as a player. He'll never be loved by the fans in the same way though and nor do I expect many will be clamouring to have him back involved with the club in the future. He'll be our second top scorer of all time, a great player we saw play for us but someone that ultimately left when easy trophies and oil money came calling.

 

[Rob]

Kane is a Spurs legend. He always will be. All this stuff about him not being so is just bitterness and disappointment at losing him. While it might be understandable a bit, I hope once the dust has settled on it all, people come round to that. I mean, come on, did we really expect him to stay for his entire career? Really? I'd suggest we've had his best years and providing we get full value selling him now or next year won't be a bad deal at all.

I mean, he's 28 years old, how much longer would he have at his supposed 'peak'? Three years? Four? Supposing he stayed another two years, how much real difference would that make. Not that much I reckon. Would we be happier selling him then? What happens when he starts declining? Would you show the loyalty you demand of him (loyalty which he's more than shown to the club in the past). Like fuck.

Could this all be handled better? Probably. But there's so much fog around it that I don't see how reacting to rumour can be at all healthy for the situation. Are we really that quick to turn on him?

Anyway, if the club had shown the ambition which he wanted (and lets face it, we all wanted) would this situation even have occurred? My guess is that all the time we were on the up and showing ambition and progress, he was relatively happy but nothing, absolutely nothing since the CL final has shown that, we've declined massively so now he wants to leave. If you want to vent, vent at the board at allowing it all to go tits so quickly.

I don't blame him one bit, he's been magnificent for the club and it's a bit smelly that the understandable disappointment in him leaving manifests itself in him being slagged off like this.


haha that'll set the cat amongst the pigeons

He’s clearly a Spurs legend. Shaun Goater is a Man City legend

Is he a footballing legend? Up there with the very best? Does buying a few medals put him over the top or would the narrative have been more impressive (and legend-worthy) if he stayed and smashed Greaves and Shearer’s records?

 

[JR1994]

City are just banking on it turning ugly and hoping we just cave to a discount. Kane refusing to train etc.. Charlie will be pushing that route with absolutely no thought of what it will do to Harry’s image as England captain.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Let’s see how about going to a team that is going to kill all competition and take the competitiveness out of the games. If it was abroad I would wish him well but he’s just helping city create a monopoly and you want to call him a legend for doing this? No thank you.

Well I was calling him a legend for what he has achieved with us not for going to Man.City to better his own career.

I think it’s fair to take into account both things.

Also I hate city snd how money has ruined the game more than anyone but so if Kane went to say Liverpool instead would you feel any differently, I bet you wouldn’t and so it’s just bitterness that he’s not staying which I think tbh is unfair on Kane given all he’s done for us and he’s always said if we match his ambition as a player he’d stay, unfortunately the set-up behind the scenes hasn’t enabled us to do that so here we are.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

City are just banking on it turning ugly and hoping we just cave to a discount. Kane refusing to train etc.. Charlie will be pushing that route with absolutely no thought of what it will do to Harry’s image as England captain.

Southgate is quite a stickler for morals. Don’t think he would be to impressed if Kane had a tantrum and acted up.

 

[spurs mental]

I am afraid that you are incorrect. In 2011 Modric wanted to go to Chelsea and until the end of the summer transfer window walked around the pitch putting in terrible performances. If I remember correctly he wouldn't play in our first match at Man U which we also lost heavily. In particular I remember the home game against City when we lost 1-5 when he was absolutely terrible.

To be fair to him though after the window closed and he couldn't move anywhere his performance levels went back up. He was then sold to Madrid at the end of that season and the rest is history.

In that City game he was in a midfield two with Kranjcar as far as I remember. We signed Parker pretty much straight after this game IIRC.

Correct though, he was probably the best CM in the league once the window closed.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

He’s clearly a Spurs legend. Shaun Goater is a Man City legend

Is he a footballing legend? Up there with the very best? Does buying a few medals put him over the top or would the narrative have been more impressive (and legend-worthy) if he stayed and smashed Greaves and Shearer’s records?

Well, if he breaks the England scoring record, he probably becomes a footballing legend doesn't he? Likewise if he breaks (or comes close to) the Premier League scoring record. I don't think a few medals will make much difference either way.

The 'very best' is a whole different animal.

Breaking Greaves record on it's own would 'just' make him even more of a club legend really. It all boils down to how much of a legend are those 'very best' players and where will he sit in there when the story of his career is finally written.

How much should we let him go for then? Should we accept a low ball offer because of all the joy and memories he brought us? Personably I think he should be sold if he wants to go, no need for a transfer request, but if no club comes in with an acceptable offer what are you going to do, with Jack Gerealish going for £100m, why would we accept anything less than £150M?

I'm not sure what the price has to do with my post, if you could point it out to me? (Not being funny, I can't remember what I went into the Khazi for just now) but to answer you, i'd say £150m minimum.

 

[StooM]

City are just banking on it turning ugly and hoping we just cave to a discount. Kane refusing to train etc.. Charlie will be pushing that route with absolutely no thought of what it will do to Harry’s image as England captain.

Can't see that happening tbh at least not for long. The way I see it, this is just a situation all coming to a head

- WC year. Lets be honest, the England Captain isnt going to kick up too much of a fuss with that at the end of the season especially having just been to an international final - I'd imagine there will be a plan to maintain/build fitness through the season into the WC and there's not exactly a lot of leway with that any more.
- Kane is 28, potentially staring down the barrel of his last 'peak years' contract on big bucks and at that age, with the costs involved, how many more chances is he going to get to make a move like this - especially off the back of Covid and how it's hit football finances. The rags were already bemoaning poor city having to pay so much and therefore considering the younger players (Haaland etc)
- The market is depressed due to Covid and imo it'll bounce back a bit over this year once crowds start getting back and clubs have stronger income streams due to that. I reckon if Kane stayed another year, we'd be able to sell at 150m easily at the end of the season if City really still wanted him. Still got 2 years left on a contract at that point.

I don't see there being a way to force this through, certainly not in the way it's been done in the past.

 

[easley91]

Because City don't value him highly enough to pay the price. Spurs aren't denying him the chance at the PL record, it's ready and waiting for him with us.

PL record AND trophies. It's a win/win going there. We had ITK that City may well pay up.

 

[HobbitSpur]

IMHO he is a legend. He has gone over and above what most players would have endured to remain here.

When he goes, and won’t wanting to ignite an anti Levy debate on here, he has been a loyal servant, and willing success here at THFC.

Perhaps if more investment had happened, things would have been different. Perhaps they wouldn’t. But you cannot moan that HK hasn’t given it every opportunity to succeed.

At the end of the day, it is a career. Us fans look at players as servants to our whims.

In reality it is their job and when they retire they want to have some kind of material recognition of their career.

Kane has carried us over past 3 seasons. He has played every position every 90 minutes in his desire for success. If we had invested better in the squad we would not have needed him dropping back to help midfield, or being an overlapping defender clearing balls off the line.

When he goes I will wish him all the best and hope he can put some medals on his mantelpiece. If there was ever a player who deserves it then it is him.

How any Spurs fan can deny him of this needs the strongest kick in the Jacobs and come back to reality.

Hopefully we can invest the money correctly and the sum of the parts will make us far stronger as a team.

 

[idontgetit]

PL record AND trophies. It's a win/win going there. We had ITK that City may well pay up.

If they do then I don't mind, but it should have a very short deadline on it.

 

[Erm33]

There does seem an air of inevitably about this situation. If we get the right price and can reinvest wisely it would help us more in the long term. I just really wish we could have kept Bale at least one more season to have that confirmed solo match winner around in the squad.

Sonny will be absolutely key as he'd the best goalscorer left. Hope he can find consistency over a season.

 

[Donki]

Well, if he breaks the England scoring record, he probably becomes a footballing legend doesn't he? Likewise if he breaks (or comes close to) the Premier League scoring record. I don't think a few medals will make much difference either way.

The 'very best' is a whole different animal.

Breaking Greaves record on it's own would 'just' make him even more of a club legend really. It all boils down to how much of a legend are those 'very best' players and where will he sit in there when the story of his career is finally written.

I'm not sure what the price has to do with my post, if you could point it out to me? (Not being funny, I can't remember what I went into the Khazi for just now) but to answer you, i'd say £150m minimum.

I think most people would be happy with £150M for him, the bitterness seems to be coming from the fact Harry values himself at £100M, that along with his bother agent, his interview with Neville and rumours he wont play in the opening game is why most peoples backs are up. For me, like I said I would sell but Harry signed the contract, he knew it would inflate his value further and I don't think he should be sold under his valuation he will either accept that or sulk.

The whole Legend thing is a stupid argument, people will always have their own thoughts but for me King is the last club legend we had. Bale gets close for the CL, the game in Milan is probably one of the best moments in my lifetime of supporting spurs, and his shear single handed ability in the team in his last year.

 

[Timbar]

Not that he needs it or even cares but he has my absolute blessing. Yes we’d prefer he stayed, yes we’d prefer he left on a positive note but the reality is this club made the decisions that have led to him finally wanting out. They should bear the anger and frustration not Kane. I just hope that if he goes it’s with funds and time and proper re-investment.