Harry Kane

[C0YS]

It's based on his past injury issues, and when he's out he's normally out for considerable time.

Of course we don't know for sure but I don't want to see him being run into the ground. I know he hasn't been this time, more thinking future.

When you've had some serious injuries being overworked leaves you more vulnerable, that's not speculative its logical.

My point is he isn't actually out for that long amount of time. I mean the last 2 seasons he has a worse than average injury record but has never failed to play 34 games in a season. Last season he missed 14 games through one injury, but that's by far the worst injury he has ever had career wise, and, like I said there is nothing to suggest it repeating. It's the first time he has had such an injury and that just sounds like misfortune. His ankle injuries are the worry, and that takes him out for about 6 weeks at a time, which is annoying but not unusual.

I mean we should look after him and not overwork him. But, he is at the prime of his career, both Messi and Ronaldo had no problem playing every single match at the time.

Kane hasn't had serious injuries. He has never had a serious injury, like ever. This isn't Lamela, luke shaw, coleman or even Shearer and Michael owen territories. This is the misunderstanding. Last season was the worst injury he's ever had, two months out, but its not an unusual injury to get. It's just normal football player stuff and doesn't suggest a pattern and doesn't really fit with the rest of his medical history.

We do need to worry about his ankle, but his ankle injuries have all been caused by impact. It's hard to 'take care' of those injuries by not overworking. Take out the ankle issues and he has had only 3 injuries in the last 6 years, and none of them related to each other. One hamstring injury (missed 2 games), one knee injury (missed no games) and last years thigh muscle injury. The ankle isn't about fitness and we have to be careful, but it's hard to know what to do apart from trying to strengthen the ligaments in different ways.

Kane shouldnt be overplayed but my point is there is no reason to think that there is anything that needs changing.

 

[C0YS]

I wonder if England would have taken the same approach with Harry had Mourinho not gone public with this club v country thing.

Looks like it worked!

Probably. Is my answer. But you never know. I'm not against what Mourinho is doing, it makes sense in a club level. What I don't like is how some of our own fans actually buy his bullshit and his whole us against the world rhetoric. I guess it's seductive and it has a point, but it's not real, its driving narrative and minds. He is very good at it, Mourinho would make a fantastic populist politician.

 

[McFlash]

I'm an English, Spurs fan, so I support both (obviously!).
I'm proud that one of ours is not only the best English player, he's also the captain of his country. That's a massive honour.
Of course I don't want him playing every minute of every meaningless friendly but blimey, he's only played something like 20 minutes over 2 games so far.
I don't really get why people are complaining, unless they believe there should be no international football apart from the Euros and World Cup?

I've had some great times supporting my country, quite often with mates and other fans that I don't usually get to share that experience with.

 

[Scissors&Tape]

I guess we will find out. Hopefully there’s no reaction.

Southgate saying that Kane "hasn't had an injury" is kind of missing the point. If Kane has had tightness and/or cramps, that is indicative of the kind of fatigue that can lead to an actual injury if he is pushed, especially if it is in the hamstring that he previously pulled. So Spurs and fans are right to be concerned that Kane's fatigue is being managed properly.

 

[Mr Pink]

My point is he isn't actually out for that long amount of time. I mean the last 2 seasons he has a worse than average injury record but has never failed to play 34 games in a season. Last season he missed 14 games through one injury, but that's by far the worst injury he has ever had career wise, and, like I said there is nothing to suggest it repeating. It's the first time he has had such an injury and that just sounds like misfortune. His ankle injuries are the worry, and that takes him out for about 6 weeks at a time, which is annoying but not unusual.

I mean we should look after him and not overwork him. But, he is at the prime of his career, both Messi and Ronaldo had no problem playing every single match at the time.

Kane hasn't had serious injuries. He has never had a serious injury, like ever. This isn't Lamela, luke shaw, coleman or even Shearer and Michael owen territories. This is the misunderstanding. Last season was the worst injury he's ever had, two months out, but its not an unusual injury to get. It's just normal football player stuff and doesn't suggest a pattern and doesn't really fit with the rest of his medical history.

We do need to worry about his ankle, but his ankle injuries have all been caused by impact. It's hard to 'take care' of those injuries by not overworking. Take out the ankle issues and he has had only 3 injuries in the last 6 years, and none of them related to each other. One hamstring injury (missed 2 games), one knee injury (missed no games) and last years thigh muscle injury. The ankle isn't about fitness and we have to be careful, but it's hard to know what to do apart from trying to strengthen the ligaments in different ways.

Kane shouldnt be overplayed but my point is there is no reason to think that there is anything that needs changing.

Well I think he'll end up being over used and breakdown, but we'll see I guess.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Southgate saying that Kane "hasn't had an injury" is kind of missing the point. If Kane has had tightness and/or cramps, that is indicative of the kind of fatigue that can lead to an actual injury if he is pushed, especially if it is in the hamstring that he previously pulled. So Spurs and fans are right to be concerned that Kane's fatigue is being managed properly.

He played 20 minutes when he’d recently had muscle fatigue. So it was managed.

 

[Rosco1984]

Kane plays for England and loves it. If we start telling him he cant that probably wont sit well with him its something we have to deal with and as unpopular as this will make me as an Englishman and a Spurs fan I would say that either winning something will make me just as happy as the other. I cried as a child when both came close and lost. He had muscle fatigue a week ago, he's a professional athlete who has had his workload managed for a week if he starts tomorrow its not a big deal if anything it will just sharpen him up for West Ham Sunday unless some Dane snaps him. But he's just as likely to get snapped in our next game we cant wrap him in cotton wool injuries are just part of life and that's why we have signed vini.

 

[WiganSpur]

If we can nurse him through the next couple of matches we should be fine now we've got Vinicius and Son as emergency cover. If Carlos proves to be competent then hopefully we can manage Kane without any concerns about fatigue and muscle injuries going forward. To play the amount of games he's played already this season was never going to be sustainable. At least now he probably won't have to play CC and EL until the latter stages or when we're in desperate need of a result. I'm sure for example that Vinicius will start up front against LASK.

 

[Trotter]

Southgate saying that Kane "hasn't had an injury" is kind of missing the point. If Kane has had tightness and/or cramps, that is indicative of the kind of fatigue that can lead to an actual injury if he is pushed, especially if it is in the hamstring that he previously pulled. So Spurs and fans are right to be concerned that Kane's fatigue is being managed properly.

To be honest, I think you are the one kind of missing the point, not Southgate

 

[RikkiRocket]

Because maybe Kane doesn't want to?


So you're saying we should basically punish Kane for playing England internationals when he is literally the CAPTAIN OF ENGLAND. What utter nonsense.

we should also put him in a room with @BringBack_leGin that’ll learn him ?

 

[lemony snickets]

Massive over reaction. Played 25 minutes over the course of 2 previous games. He’s England’s captain and wants to play for his country at every chance available. If he gets injured as a result then that’s just bad luck. Can’t blame England for that. Plus we have Vinícius as backup and Bareth Gale fit again. There are amazing times to be a spud regardless of a Kane injury.

 

[Scissors&Tape]

To be honest, I think you are the one kind of missing the point, not Southgate

How so? Are you saying that Spurs fans should not be concerned that Kane reported muscle cramp and tightness, because it is not an "injury" per se? I was simply saying that fans have a right to be concerned that Kane is managed properly, even if he doesn't have an "injury," because muscle cramps can be a precursor to injury if managed poorly. None of us know whether Kane has been managed properly, since we aren't the physios with the data. But it does seem like they are making sure not to push him too hard. I just think its a bit high-handed for Southgate to dismiss concerns out of hand because Kane isn't already injured, when the question is whether Kane is fatigued and will suffer an injury if he is pushed.

 

[Trotter]

How so? Are you saying that Spurs fans should not be concerned that Kane reported muscle cramp and tightness, because it is not an "injury" per se? I was simply saying that fans have a right to be concerned that Kane is managed properly, even if he doesn't have an "injury," because muscle cramps can be a precursor to injury if managed poorly. None of us know whether Kane has been managed properly, since we aren't the physios with the data. But it does seem like they are making sure not to push him too hard. I just think its a bit high-handed for Southgate to dismiss concerns out of hand because Kane isn't already injured, when the question is whether Kane is fatigued and will suffer an injury if he is pushed.

England's medical staff will have assessed Kane. If he is fit to play no problem, he should play, irrelevant to what Spurs fans perceive his "injury" to be, or might be, or might occur down 6 months down the road,
In fact I think he has been treated far better by England than he would have been at Spurs.
We have played him in 10 out of 11 games so far, I am sure if it was Tottenham playing last Wednesday, Saturday and tomorrow he would have been involved in all of them.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

we should also put him in a room with @BringBack_leGin that’ll learn him ?

I feel very sad for you.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Is this just a press pantomime?

England let players leave the squad all the time when they've only got minor injuries. ??‍

 

[wadewill]

I think it a good thing Calvert Lewin seems to be coming along, hopefully means Kane can actually come off with 15-20 to go in these sort of games

Although I don’t expect Calvert Lewin to continue this form for too long

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Seems like it’s all been blown way out of proportion. Player was a bit tight after playing a lot, rested in first game, little run out in 2nd and a couple of days off training. Harry plays better when he gets in a flow of matches anyway and it seems to have been managed well.

Oh and the talk of Owen, Rooney, Torres burning out. Harry should be looking at Lewandowski who is still getting better at 32. Harry keeps himself in good shape and has such a well rounded game he can keep playing at top flight for years. Mourinho will manage it well with the options we have now.

 

[jay2040]

Would be nice if England and Southgate felt the same way when Sterling or any of the Liverpool boys pull out.

Absolutely spot on that they need to stop pushing him. Just look at Rooney, burnt out by 30.

Agree, Rooney was so shit for.England. however it seems he was the only choice and the responsibility/expectations were with him for goals and the previous managers did not take any risk.
With Jose and Carlos, Bale and the real TN I feel Kane will hit the next level !

 

[Tucker]

Agree, Rooney was so shit for.England.

Sorry, what? He’s the all time leading goal scorer.

 

[mark87]

I think it a good thing Calvert Lewin seems to be coming along, hopefully means Kane can actually come off with 15-20 to go in these sort of games

Although I don’t expect Calvert Lewin to continue this form for too long

Bet people thought this about Kane too.