Harry Kane

[Archibald&Crooks]

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[doctor stefan Freud]

He needs fast, offensive wide players around him and a decent CAM who has license to roam. Mourinho needs to realise he’s not John Fashanu

 

[glacierSpurs]

I think this is probably the specific thing about Levy's reign that angers me the most. We had a once-in-a-generation homegrown player who was the best CF in the world at 23 in 2017 and we failed to sign an adequate rotation option in 7/8 transfer windows.

Utterly unforgivable, and the worst illustration of how poorly our squad has been managed over the past few seasons.

(not saying he's finished, just referring to the constant injuries/fairly clear decline which have stopped him matching that 16/17 season)

He had as much self responsibility as the others who everyone likes to attribute to. Remember the super motivated Kane who always trained so much harder than everyone else and will never fail to play regardless of his fatigue in order to become world's best? He has overworked himself too incredibly young.

 

[GutBucket]

He wasn't very good before the injury in the league either. He was great against Burnley and had a true captain's performance against West Ham, that's about it and both against trash teams. To be fair he also scored against Leicester, Liverpool, Arsenal but every year he regresses from injuries and he doesn't have anyone like Eriksen to set him up anymore. He isn't someone who can carry the team on his back anymore but if we become creative again he can still get 20 league goals every season.

 

[Danny1]

What am I actually reading ??!!

A) 17 goals in 26 games for Tottenham.
B) 12 goals in 10 games as England Captain.
C) 26 years old so potentially coming into his prime.

Tottenham fans “he has regressed and we should sell”. Seriously, get outta here.

 

[sidford]

IMO he's our only true world class player and that means we have to pander to him to get him to stay so he starts when he is only half fit. I accept that but what I'm really struggling with is why he was left on pitch for 90 mins last night, he was so off the pace especially in 2nd half it was embarrassing, we effectively played with 10 men.
Even he and his entourage would of known he should of been subbed last night but Jose didn't.

 

[spursfan77]

First game in 6 months after a really bad hamstring injury. Absolute madness he played 90 minutes. I’ll be amazed if he’s ok to start against West Ham. But we will need him.

 

[Gilzeanking]

2 types of Kane views here . Type one is those who assess Kane with their eyes and type 2 those that do it with their memories ...

..and they are going quite far back too .

What makes this more difficult is because of the memories of Kane plus his general power at Spurs ,no-one dare even sub him off...(e.g. the CL final ). If only he wasn't a God at Spurs then he could be assessed on what he brings to any given match ...but no , Kane can walk--he plays .

I have sympathy for him. He's obviously dreading a recurrence of his major injuries so is a shadow of the man in our memories .But he has to accept that sometimes he'll be subbed if he performs like last night .

 

[Haddock]

Do remember that all players change their game as they grow older. They lose a yard of pace but enhances other traits to compensate it - Ronaldo and Messi has certainly done so.

I'm not sure it's even possible to play they way Kane did in 2016-2017 for several seasons. If you go a 100% in every challenge, in every duel, it's going to take its toll.

There's no doubt in my mind that Kane will be an invaluable players for us for years to come. But it's not going to be in the same manners that we saw in his breakthrough season.

Anyway, he hasn't played competitive football for several months. Hardly the right time to assess his value to this team.

 

[spursfan77]

There was a good article on Kane on the athletic the other week in their injuries article.
That Kane should be at an advantage when returning as he's hitting a level playing field in terms of everyone not being match fit like they would be mid season. Here are his stats when coming back from injury according to them, so don’t expect buckets of goals but if he produces this return it should be reasonable enough:

Kane is also someone who has generally performed well when returning from injury — even if it’s been during the middle of a season. There are nine games left this season — in comparison, Kane scored six goals in his first nine games for club and country when coming back from an ankle ligament injury in February last season. He recorded the same tally in his first nine matches when coming back from an ankle injury in April 2018, and posted 11 in nine when returning from another ankle injury in April 2017.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Do remember that all players change their game as they grow older. They lose a yard of pace but enhances other traits to compensate it - Ronaldo and Messi has certainly done so.

I'm not sure it's even possible to play they way Kane did in 2016-2017 for several seasons. If you go a 100% in every challenge, in every duel, it's going to take its toll.

There's no doubt in my mind that Kane will be an invaluable players for us for years to come. But it's not going to be in the same manners that we saw in his breakthrough season.

Anyway, he hasn't played competitive football for several months. Hardly the right time to assess his value to this team.

Yes , all of this cap'n , but what if , in his mind , Kane expects to remain as an unsubbable/undroppable centrepiece to our team rather than adjusting his expectations to fit the new player he has become.

The best players for any given scenario should be on the pitch and any hindrance to this occurring is to the detriment of the team .

 

[Legacy]

Kane gets no service anymore. None. Teemu Pukki has a more generous set of supporting players

Precisely. We can point to Kane's injuries and say he's regressed because of them, which is hard to deny, but you have to look at the whole team as well.

Peak Kane had Rose and Walker dominating the flanks, with plenty of creativity from Eriksen and Dele through the middle. Remember, at one point in time, Dele-Kane was the most effective partnership in the top 5 leagues in Europe. Kane has lost that constant stream of deliveries, so he's going to get less chances.

"Kane doesn't press or harass defenders anymore." None of our players do. We lost our high pressing game 3 years ago. Don't press at all under Mourinho. I wouldn't expect Kane to relentlessly chase defenders when the rest of his teammates are defending deep.

"He comes too deep." The whole team is too deep. If he hung around the last defender while the rest of the team were still deep within their own half, he'd be even more isolated than he currently is.

"He doesn't dominate weaker teams with multiple goals a game anymore." Didn't he break a record for number of goals scored in the Euro Qualifiers?

We don't control games anymore. We don't have enough possession. We don't have enough creativity on the pitch. We don't have a gameplan
that brings out the best in him.

Yes, we can see he physically isn't at the top of his game anymore. But our tactics and mentality are actually hindering him more than any injury. His performances for England show that he's still more dangerous than most when he's used correctly and the players around him are providing the balls and movement for him to shine.

Admittedly he was very poor yesterday.

 

[walworthyid]

People are crazy! He never comes back quickly. He hasnt played in 6 months. Give him a chance.

The way we play now no longer suits him because he is way too easy to mark.

 

[walworthyid]

Precisely. We can point to Kane's injuries and say he's regressed because of them, which is hard to deny, but you have to look at the whole team as well.

Peak Kane had Rose and Walker dominating the flanks, with plenty of creativity from Eriksen and Dele through the middle. Remember, at one point in time, Dele-Kane was the most effective partnership in the top 5 leagues in Europe. Kane has lost that constant stream of deliveries, so he's going to get less chances.

"Kane doesn't press or harass defenders anymore." None of our players do. We lost our high pressing game 3 years ago. Don't press at all under Mourinho. I wouldn't expect Kane to relentlessly chase defenders when the rest of his teammates are defending deep.

"He comes too deep." The whole team is too deep. If he hung around the last defender while the rest of the team were still deep within their own half, he'd be even more isolated than he currently is.

"He doesn't dominate weaker teams with multiple goals a game anymore." Didn't he break a record for number of goals scored in the Euro Qualifiers?

We don't control games anymore. We don't have enough possession. We don't have enough creativity on the pitch. We don't have a gameplan
that brings out the best in him.

Yes, we can see he physically isn't at the top of his game anymore. But our tactics and mentality are actually hindering him more than any injury. His performances for England show that he's still more dangerous than most when he's used correctly and the players around him are providing the balls and movement for him to shine.

Admittedly he was very poor yesterday.

Exactly. He was poor in a poor team, playing poorly and he hasnt played in 6 months. How good was Son? Or Bergwyn, other than the goal? Or Lamela other than putting himself about? Or sissoko, who played ok, but touched the ball about 4 times in the first half?

This is jose football at it's best. The man is the worst coach we could possibly have.

 

[Hotspur33]

I think if we were to actually control a game once in a while, we would see a much improved Kane.
But it's been a few season's now since we were a team that dominated possession and were composed on the ball.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

Don’t really blame him for yesterday as the service going forward was once again horrendous.

Put in some creative players and then we’ll be able to judge him.

 

[TheModrix]

With our finances I would sell him and Ndombele. Kane's stock is still high to get a decent price. There a few strikers who have more pace than who are more suited to the modern game.

We could use the funds to buy a replacement, a DM, CB and fullback.

 

[JCRD]

I think if we were to actually control a game once in a while, we would see a much improved Kane.
But it's been a few season's now since we were a team that dominated possession and were composed on the ball.

I agree - i dont get what people want Kane to do when he keeps having to defend the 18 yrd box. We were camped on our own third all second half last night, he got the ball a couple of times but what is he supposed to do with it.

Cowardice tactics are the issue and it will cause Kane to leave - why would anyone work with that crap.

 

[thebenjamin]

Problem is for a striker in this team is that you're going to spend most of the game 40 - 50 yards away from goal.

 

[DiVaio]

With our finances I would sell him and Ndombele. Kane's stock is still high to get a decent price. There a few strikers who have more pace than who are more suited to the modern game.

We could use the funds to buy a replacement, a DM, CB and fullback.

Let's sell our two of the best players in the club in current situation when no one will be able to afford them, fantastic idea.