Fryers

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Daily mail reporting that we are finally about to sign Fryers from Standard Liege

 

[brasil_spur]

Good news, we'll have the two Kyles vying it out for the RB position and Fryers competing with Ekotto for LB. Then if Ekotto does go we can bring in Rose and have those two in competition for that spot.

Kaboul can cover at RB in emergencies and Verts can cover at LB in emergenices.

Top quality back 4 with enough options to keep it consistent and solid.

 

[Spursidol]

Yet to establish himself at Standard Liege - played about 6 or 7 games this season.

Personally doubt we will sign him in January - but if we do we will leave him at Standard Liege for the rest of the season. He had only started about 2 or 3 games fopr ManU (plus about 4 sub appearances) so needs to gain a lot of first team experience.

Spurs have a number of promising youngsters in other positions with the same problem of how and where to gain first team experience, so no point in getting him in without experience.

Fryers definitely looks to be what we want on paper (good left backs are hard to find) - its just the lack of experience which is a problem

 

[AJW]

Supposedly had a hard start and is only just finding some form. Can see AVB waiting until the summer when I imagine he will focus particularly on the left back position. One of few positions where we aren't sorted in terms of youthful players.

 

[mpickard2087]

I find it hard to believe this guy is just going to come in straight away and challenge for a first team spot. As for the numerous people saying he will come in and be decent left back cover, I doubt they have ever seen him play.

 

[Spurs1960]

Good news, we'll have the two Kyles vying it out for the RB position and Fryers competing with Ekotto for LB. Then if Ekotto does go we can bring in Rose and have those two in competition for that spot.

Kaboul can cover at RB in emergencies and Verts can cover at LB in emergenices.

Top quality back 4 with enough options to keep it consistent and solid.

Did you not watch Rose closely verses Liverpool, he was hopeless. He let Stirling run on his own for the first goal and simply jogged slowly back towards his goal. He was slow and half hearted in midfield for the second being beaten to the ball by Gerrard who was further away. Again he simply slowly jogged back towards his goal as they scored a second. Liverpool constantly passed the ball inside him for their forwards.

He was too far from his centre-backs and to often out of position in midfield from where you have to sprint back not jog. He made one decent block and was quite rightly substituted.

The first job of a defender is to defend then to go forward. If the reports are right and we had offered Fryers £20K a week to be back up left-back to BAE in the summer, presumably that is still the case now.

Naughton is coming along nicely and already looks better than Rose and Smith is developing at Millwall. All of them certainly fit AVB's remit of getting youth and increasing their value but there is no place for all of them in future squads so someone will have to go and for me that is Rose.

 

[michaelden]

As good as Rose can be on occasion, he is not consistent enough by half to be considered by any team in the top 8

 

[brasil_spur]

Did you not watch Rose closely verses Liverpool, he was hopeless.

I didn't watch Rose at all versus Liverpool, i've just been going off of recent reports in regards to his current form.

Cheers for bringing me up to speed though.

 

[michaelden]

Rose made 1 really good block but was pretty poor overall

 

[Spurs1960]

I didn't watch Rose at all versus Liverpool, i've just been going off of recent reports in regards to his current form.

Cheers for bringing me up to speed though.

Reports can be misleading. What is an excellent performance in a Sunderland shirt is an average one in a Spurs shirt. We have different criteria. We are after players capable of playing for a top 4 club and Champions League football.

Sunderland are after players who can keep them in the division.

Quinn said in the commentary against us that Sunderland were very defensive at the start of the season and have only recently started to attack a bit more.

Rose has had his winger to help him for the majority of the season so has performed in rearguard defence with cover. Now that he is not being protected by the left winger he is being exposed just as he was for Team GB. Highlights: http://www.mysoccerplace.net/video/liverpool-vs-sunderland-3-0-motd

Watch the first, 3 defenders sprint towards goal but not our Rose.

If we can buy Fryers for £3 million and sell Rose for £3 million in the summer that's good business. I can't see Rose's value growing much higher.

 

[Syn_13]

Reports can be misleading. What is an excellent performance in a Sunderland shirt is an average one in a Spurs shirt. We have different criteria. We are after players capable of playing for a top 4 club and Champions League football.

Sunderland are after players who can keep them in the division.

Quinn said in the commentary against us that Sunderland were very defensive at the start of the season and have only recently started to attack a bit more.

Rose has had his winger to help him for the majority of the season so has performed in rearguard defence with cover. Now that he is not being protected by the left winger he is being exposed just as he was for Team GB. Highlights: http://www.mysoccerplace.net/video/liverpool-vs-sunderland-3-0-motd

Watch the first, 3 defenders sprint towards goal but not our Rose.

If we can buy Fryers for £3 million and sell Rose for £3 million in the summer that's good business. I can't see Rose's value growing much higher.

I think you're undervaluing Rose a little bit there, he does have potential to get better and right now they love him at Sunderland. I'm sure we'd get more that £3 million out of them for him anyway considering how well he's performed for them.

 

[phil]

If we can buy Fryers for £3 million and sell Rose for £3 million in the summer that's good business. I can't see Rose's value growing much higher.

If the Liege deal for Fryers was something concocted by Levy (heaven forbid for even suggesting that Levy would stoop to something so devious) to avoid going to tribunal to determine a fee, I'd be surprised if we will pay anything like £3m for him. Whilst reports suggested that the tribunal fee could have been £6m, that was always unlikely. The tribunal fee was more likely to be £2-3m. It wouldn't surprise me if there is already a gentlemen's (??) agreement in place with Liege with a fee around £1m + Fryer's wages to date. If a deal transpires, it will be interesting to hear Fergie's comments.

I would also guess that Sunderland would be prepared to pay more than £3m for Rose, perhaps as much as £6m.

 

[DJS]

Reports can be misleading. What is an excellent performance in a Sunderland shirt is an average one in a Spurs shirt. We have different criteria. We are after players capable of playing for a top 4 club and Champions League football.

Sunderland are after players who can keep them in the division.

Quinn said in the commentary against us that Sunderland were very defensive at the start of the season and have only recently started to attack a bit more.

Rose has had his winger to help him for the majority of the season so has performed in rearguard defence with cover. Now that he is not being protected by the left winger he is being exposed just as he was for Team GB. Highlights: http://www.mysoccerplace.net/video/liverpool-vs-sunderland-3-0-motd

Watch the first, 3 defenders sprint towards goal but not our Rose.

If we can buy Fryers for £3 million and sell Rose for £3 million in the summer that's good business. I can't see Rose's value growing much higher.

Have you seen Fryers in action though to justify your faith that he would be a better option then Rose?

 

[Stoof]

Have you seen Fryers in action though to justify your faith that he would be a better option then Rose?

No. But yes.

I've seen enough of Rose to know that he's just not an option.

 

[Spurs1960]

I think you're undervaluing Rose a little bit there, he does have potential to get better and right now they love him at Sunderland. I'm sure we'd get more that £3 million out of them for him anyway considering how well he's performed for them.

£3 million was a figure I saw quoted for him, Sunderland like our rejects and never pay much for them. They like bulk buying too perhaps we could offer them Jenas and Bentley too, mind you they wouldn't pay his wages.

 

[Spurs1960]

Have you seen Fryers in action though to justify your faith that he would be a better option then Rose?

Ales Ferguson has and he apparently rates him, all the reports at the time were that he was furious that he was leaving. Fergie has bought through an abundance of talent through and I see no reason not to trust his judgement, especially as Rose is as Stoof says, simply not an option.

He isn't a defender and showed against Liverpool he doesn't want to defend. The fact that 3 Sunderland defenders are sprinting back towards their own goal and he is just slowly jogging for 2 of the goals shows a disgraceful attitude and that Sunderland fans are easily impressed.

He may develop and good luck to him if he does, but he needs a lot of work and a lot of playing time which will have to come elsewhere.

BAE, Fryers, Walker, Naughton with Vertonghen as cover and Smith perhaps ready next season for cameos, Rose would be surplus to requirements.

 

[Hitch]

If we can buy Fryers for £3 million and sell Rose for £3 million in the summer that's good business. I can't see Rose's value growing much higher.

No offence but that sounds like absolutely awful business to me. You've clearly not been paying very careful attention to how well Rose has been doing at Sunderland this season. He's been their star player and would be worth double that amount at the least. And what makes you think that Fryers is worth £3m? I doubt we'll pay that. It's just an arbitrary figure plucked out of the air by some tabloid hack.

It sounds as though you're basing your evaluation of Rose's time at Sunderland purely on one game.

 

[mpickard2087]

Ales Ferguson has and he apparently rates him, all the reports at the time were that he was furious that he was leaving. Fergie has bought through an abundance of talent through and I see no reason not to trust his judgement, especially as Rose is as Stoof says, simply not an option.

He isn't a defender and showed against Liverpool he doesn't want to defend. The fact that 3 Sunderland defenders are sprinting back towards their own goal and he is just slowly jogging for 2 of the goals shows a disgraceful attitude and that Sunderland fans are easily impressed.

He may develop and good luck to him if he does, but he needs a lot of work and a lot of playing time which will have to come elsewhere.

BAE, Fryers, Walker, Naughton with Vertonghen as cover and Smith perhaps ready next season for cameos, Rose would be surplus to requirements.

I've seen.... hmmmmm who should I pick out here?.... Ekotto do this on more than one occasion. Does that mean we get rid of him too? Every footballer switches off at times, to pick out one moment is a bit daft.

I'm gonna give Rose till the end of the season at the earliest before writing him off, he is still learning the trade at LB and bad games happen. And especially after a run of by all accounts impressive form, he was probably due a stinker at some point in the near future.

 

[Spurs1960]

No offence but that sounds like absolutely awful business to me. You've clearly not been paying very careful attention to how well Rose has been doing at Sunderland this season. He's been their star player and would be worth double that amount at the least. And what makes you think that Fryers is worth £3m? I doubt we'll pay that. It's just an arbitrary figure plucked out of the air by some tabloid hack.

It sounds as though you're basing your evaluation of Rose's time at Sunderland purely on one game.

That depends upon your definition of well. Well at Sunderland in a different system where he is not left exposed is different to at Spurs where the left back is often left exposed as Bale is playing further forward now. Teams target our left back as a result.

Rose has been used in a defensive side (Quinn's observation) so has help around. Anyone should get good reports in that system and has no bearing on whether he would be any good without that cover.

If you are happy with the attitude and commitment he showed against Liverpool fair enough, I'm not, that's not the standard of player that is going to improve our team. He showed for Team GB he wasn't good enough and showed it last season.

I shall get my Newcastle mate to keep me informed and concentrate on him in highlight packages.

 

[CJMurray]

That depends upon your definition of well. Well at Sunderland in a different system where he is not left exposed is different to at Spurs where the left back is often left exposed as Bale is playing further forward now. Teams target our left back as a result.

Rose has been used in a defensive side (Quinn's observation) so has help around. Anyone should get good reports in that system and has no bearing on whether he would be any good without that cover.

If you are happy with the attitude and commitment he showed against Liverpool fair enough, I'm not, that's not the standard of player that is going to improve our team. He showed for Team GB he wasn't good enough and showed it last season.

I shall get my Newcastle mate to keep me informed and concentrate on him in highlight packages.

I really disagree with this.

Surely its harder to play in a weaker team, with inferior players where you are largely dominated in games, than it is in a Spurs team where we tend to have the majority of the possession and place a greater emphasis on attacking?

Which teams defenders do you think had the easier game when Chelsea played Barcelona at the Nou Camp? I would guess not Chelsea's.

What happened last season is irrelevant now. This season he's managed to get a run of games going at LB and has shown that he is more than competent there. Last season Rose had to come into a team out of form and hit the ground running having not a) experienced much premier league football before and b) played regular football over the course of the season. It's just not comparable.