FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[freeeki]

Are you watching with your mouth instead of your eye's?


Whether we are 6th or not doesnt warrant the performances that we have had to endure. The stats are horrendous for a team with all the quality we have. We should be doing better. If you think thats acceptable then your standards cannot be that high.

I’ve said several times that we should be doing better.

That doesn’t mean that we’re at rock bottom or that there are zero positives to take away from any of our games thus far.

It isn’t a game of absolutes, no matter how much a tiny band of mouth breathers on here want to think it is.

 

[ntmac82]

I’ve said several times that we should be doing better.

That doesn’t mean that we’re at rock bottom or that there are zero positives to take away from any of our games thus far.

It isn’t a game of absolutes, no matter how much a tiny band of mouth breathers on here want to think it is.

What positives?

 

[kneesalltrembly]

I wouldn’t be remotely upset if we sacked him.

 

[sidford]

Levy will just sack Paratici when he sacks Nuno and move on. He gives zero fucks about consistency or what anyone else thinks.

Levy will give Paratici another hire which, although I have huge reservations about Paratici, is probably the right thing to do but problems with the club & squad run that deep that even Klopp or Pep couldn't fix it. At best they would mask it but only temporarily like Poch did.

 

[M.I.B.]

What positives?

Skipp. And.....................Skipp. That's it

 

[ntmac82]

Skipp. And.....................Skipp. That's it

Good point. 1 positive but thats nothing to do with Nuno.

 

[Wsussexspur]

these stats point to 6th in the league being unsustainable.

exactly we are only one point off being 10th and 2 points off being 11th.

 

[cider spurs]

Let's just say we do have players further up the pitch making runs. Do you think skipp and hojbjberg are going to be making slide rule passes from deep.

Nope.

But the point being, if you put peak Pirlo out there, if there's no movement ahead of him, then even he would've struggled to find an out ball from deep.

I'll even accept that the art of clever movement in the final third is not going to be of the highest calibre by every player.

But feck me, surely even at schoolboy level we were taught to look for space, make yourself available, drag the opposition into places they don't wish to travel.

Nah, far too many times are lot are stationery akin to a practice dummy stood right next to an opponent, offering little, to no option for an out ball. End result, back it goes, rinse, repeat.

 

[Humbolt]

What's the point? Levy isn't sacking Nuno anytime soon. He should, but he won't. We'll be mid table this season because we are a painfully average side.

It's a shame that Kane's last season for us will be playing under Nuno and not a competent manager.

Might as well write this season off. It's not going to get any better until things change. Levy ain't leaving. Nuno ain't leaving. Things will not get any better until at least one of those two go.

 

[freeeki]

What positives?

If you haven’t seen any positives, then it’s because you don’t want to see them.

That’s on you, if convincing yourself that things are worse than they are somehow enhances your experience as a fan, then you crack on.

 

[rossdapep]

Haven’t read any of the fl out.

Away to a good side, both sides on the whole cancelled eachother out, we controlled most of the match despite none of the front 4 being on song and we wasted the best opportunities before falling asleep on a set piece. That’s not on Nuno.

What is on Nuno is the fact that it was obvious from about the 60hth that at least one of the front 4 needing hooking if not a couple as we’d become predictable and sloppy, and he didn’t do it.

Yep.

That shows a lack of ideas outside of the initial plan and we need much more than that to do something in this league.

I understand he has been left short in numbers. But Lucas was largely ineffective, Ndombele had already started to dwindle long before.

Either Ndombele needed reinvigorating by getting Lo Celso next to him or Lucas needed hooking off Gil and switching sides.

A top coach will always think of little tweaks to give the opposition problems and whilst I do think Nuno can coach a team to play football, I think his biggest stumbling block will be going beyond that and making tactical tweaks to overcome opposition.

I imagine they spent the entire week working on a system that ensured we were well balanced and didn't give WH an early goal, and to then get a foothold of the game - and I think thats what Nuno meant when he said we were in control, he means the plan was being executed - then to stay on top.

The problem is if anything happens outside of that you need to be ready with other solutions. Nuno didn't flinch when we went down and the fact he took a good 15 minutes before he decided on changes is quite alarming.

Sometimes making a sub when you go a goal down can be too reactive. However, in this scenario it was an absolute necessity because the 10 minutes prior to that showed certain players were fading and a sub or two just injects energy of nothing else. But Nuno doesn't seem to have that nous, as far as I can see so far.

 

[Mark_147]

Out of context. Poch did indeed get a tune out of them but the group aged out and needed rebuilding. The chairman didn't fancy it so let Poch struggle on until he needed putting out of his misery. Next was Jose who is...Jose. He came in and everyone was dead impressed. Then they got to know him and it all fell in a hole. The painful rebuild was botched - Matt Doherty! Gedson! Vinicius! Then Mason came in and while not brilliant we started to look like a football team again and the players grew in confidence. Then we spent all summer looking the THE GUY. We got Nuno, who even Palace looked at and put back on the shelf. Nuno can't get a tune out of this lot but then Nuno can't get a tune out of a whole lot.

Ndombele and lo celso are the players that were brought in to replace Eriksen and Dembele and its those 2 players in particular who have played under the last 3 managers who are key to making this team tick.

 

[SpursSince1980]

So, looks like the same set of Jose haters and Nuno naysayers are in their element again. Which is why I have taken to not visiting the forum much anymore. You lot sometimes make this a miserable place full of invective and rancor. It’s horrid, actually.

I feel sorry for Nuno. Some of you saying stuff like he is ”stealing a living”. Makes me sick. Once was a time we got behind our team. Gave coaches a chance. But some of you are so bile-ridden you expect immediate impact. Refuse to even acknowledge what is right in front of your nose. How many of these same players have gone missing in games over the last two or three years? When will it occur to some of you that we simply don’t have the talent to compete for the top 6? Some of the comments this week about just ‘get rid now’, are classless and clueless. Who do you think is available right now? Who will come in next week and turn this team and same set of world beaters you seem to think they are? Who?

Nobody. No one is available right now who will make your dreams come true. How about egt behind the badge. The players. Instead of this entitled horseshit that is frankly embarrassing to read. Accept that we are who we are right now. Which is about the 7th or 8th best team in the league. That is us. And if you want to vent your spleen, direct at the one holding the purse strings. The one who has made a cacophony of mistakes over the last 5 years in the transfer market.

I have no doubt, just like with Jose, the same irate folks will get what they want. Nuno will get sacked and you can rejoice. And I hope we hire the manager this same lot think is out there that will mold this squad into the fantasy they hold in their heads. I really do hope that. maybe then, they’ll put the bag down, and will give this person more than 10 league games to bed in a system of play. Maybe they’ll be less vitriolic and actually make SC a little nicer to engage with again.

 

[ntmac82]

If you haven’t seen any positives, then it’s because you don’t want to see them.

That’s on you, if convincing yourself that things are worse than they are somehow enhances your experience as a fan, then you crack on.

And thats why i am asking you to point them out? You seem to think i cant make my own judgement so im asking for yours as you seem to think your opinion is right and everyone else is just wrong.

 

[Spurzinho]

So, looks like the same set of Jose haters and Nuno naysayers are in their element again. Which is why I have taken to not visiting the forum much anymore. You lot sometimes make this a miserable place full of invective and rancor. It’s horrid, actually.

I feel sorry for Nuno. Some of you saying stuff like he is ”stealing a living”. Makes me sick. Once was a time we got behind our team. Gave coaches a chance. But some of you are so bile-ridden you expect immediate impact. Refuse to even acknowledge what is right in front of your nose. How many of these same players have gone missing in games over the last two or three years? When will it occur to some of you that we simply don’t have the talent to compete for the top 6? Some of the comments this week about just ‘get rid now’, are classless and clueless. Who do you think is available right now? Who will come in next week and turn this team and same set of world beaters you seem to think they are? Who?

Nobody. No one is available right now who will make your dreams come true. How about egt behind the badge. The players. Instead of this entitled horseshit that is frankly embarrassing to read. Accept that we are who we are right now. Which is about the 7th or 8th best team in the league. That is us. And if you want to vent your spleen, direct at the one holding the purse strings. The one who has made a cacophony of mistakes over the last 5 years in the transfer market.

I have no doubt, just like with Jose, the same irate folks will get what they want. Nuno will get sacked and you can rejoice. And I hope we hire the manager this same lot think is out there that will mold this squad into the fantasy they hold in their heads. I really do hope that. maybe then, they’ll put the bag down, and will give this person more than 10 league games to bed in a system of play. Maybe they’ll be less vitriolic and actually make SC a little nicer to engage with again.

Are you, like, 80, and just discovering the social media? This is where people come to vent. If that's not your bag then maybe social media isn't for you.

 

[mpickard2087]

Getting the players working harder might help. Aggression and urgency off the ball can often spill over to what you do with the ball. Take our best chance today - Romero steams into his man high up the pitch, ball falls for Son, a quick one-two with Ndombele and we're in on goal. I know some don't like harking back to Poch's time but it was the same, the best of the high tempo attacking football almost always came on the back of a furious pressing effort.

I said the other night I want to see a much better coached ethos and tactical identity in the coming weeks, and fucking hell today I think was another example to back that up, but matching other teams in their work ethic would be a good start. The first couple of games we all know we didn't do much with the ball, but we generally worked our bollocks off and were compact and organised in what we did and difficult to play through and I was actually quite impressed by that and thought "yeah, there's something there I like". That quickly evaporated though after about two games. Now we're not pressing well, there is too much space between the lines, generally too open, players aren't showing the desire to track runners, we're conceding at set pieces, and so on. Even with the ball, we're not making runs or helping out the man with the ball. We must do more in general across the 90 minutes.

The top teams normally don't just have the best players, tactics, play the best football etc. Almost always they work the hardest too. I watched the Chelsea and Liverpool games this weekend and even when miles ahead on the scoreboard there is still no let up, everyone is working their bollocks off and not giving the opposition any breathing space. For example, Chelsea at 7-0 yesterday still made it a total hell for Norwich to complete a throw in, 3 times in quick succession, they marked men scrapped for the ball and didn't let them easily get the ball back in play. That is standards and something we lack. You then have the managers on the touchline ensuring there is no let up and anyone who does switch off will instantaneously hear about it and get a bollocking. They are relentless in their work, even if it's basics.

The players have to be accountable and taking a look in the mirror asking themselves if they're giving all they could, but standards are set and the culture of hard work emerges from its leadership ie. the manager. It is totally within our control to improve, and who knows what can come off the back of it.

 

[Mark_147]

Nope.

But the point being, if you put peak Pirlo out there, if there's no movement ahead of him, then even he would've struggled to find an out ball from deep.

I'll even accept that the art of clever movement in the final third is not going to be of the highest calibre by every player.

But feck me, surely even at schoolboy level we were taught to look for space, make yourself available, drag the opposition into places they don't wish to travel.

Nah, far too many times are lot are stationery akin to a practice dummy stood right next to an opponent, offering little, to no option for an out ball. End result, back it goes, rinse, repeat.

Son and Kane are top class players do they still need to be coached to move around. Maybe one of those players in particular just can't be asked anymore.

 

[spurs mental]

It's a shame that Kane's last season for us will be playing under Nuno and not a competent manager.

Yeah, Nuno is terrible but fuck Harry Kane.

 

[Humbolt]

So, looks like the same set of Jose haters and Nuno naysayers are in their element again. Which is why I have taken to not visiting the forum much anymore. You lot sometimes make this a miserable place full of invective and rancor. It’s horrid, actually.

I feel sorry for Nuno. Some of you saying stuff like he is ”stealing a living”. Makes me sick. Once was a time we got behind our team. Gave coaches a chance. But some of you are so bile-ridden you expect immediate impact. Refuse to even acknowledge what is right in front of your nose. How many of these same players have gone missing in games over the last two or three years? When will it occur to some of you that we simply don’t have the talent to compete for the top 6? Some of the comments this week about just ‘get rid now’, are classless and clueless. Who do you think is available right now? Who will come in next week and turn this team and same set of world beaters you seem to think they are? Who?

Nobody. No one is available right now who will make your dreams come true. How about egt behind the badge. The players. Instead of this entitled horseshit that is frankly embarrassing to read. Accept that we are who we are right now. Which is about the 7th or 8th best team in the league. That is us. And if you want to vent your spleen, direct at the one holding the purse strings. The one who has made a cacophony of mistakes over the last 5 years in the transfer market.

I have no doubt, just like with Jose, the same irate folks will get what they want. Nuno will get sacked and you can rejoice. And I hope we hire the manager this same lot think is out there that will mold this squad into the fantasy they hold in their heads. I really do hope that. maybe then, they’ll put the bag down, and will give this person more than 10 league games to bed in a system of play. Maybe they’ll be less vitriolic and actually make SC a little nicer to engage with again.

We've just lost four London derbies on the bounce and we were utter shit in all of them. But the solution to all our problems is to cheer along like a sycophantic simpleton?

Got it

 

[shelfboy68]

So, looks like the same set of Jose haters and Nuno naysayers are in their element again. Which is why I have taken to not visiting the forum much anymore. You lot sometimes make this a miserable place full of invective and rancor. It’s horrid, actually.

I feel sorry for Nuno. Some of you saying stuff like he is ”stealing a living”. Makes me sick. Once was a time we got behind our team. Gave coaches a chance. But some of you are so bile-ridden you expect immediate impact. Refuse to even acknowledge what is right in front of your nose. How many of these same players have gone missing in games over the last two or three years? When will it occur to some of you that we simply don’t have the talent to compete for the top 6? Some of the comments this week about just ‘get rid now’, are classless and clueless. Who do you think is available right now? Who will come in next week and turn this team and same set of world beaters you seem to think they are? Who?

Nobody. No one is available right now who will make your dreams come true. How about egt behind the badge. The players. Instead of this entitled horseshit that is frankly embarrassing to read. Accept that we are who we are right now. Which is about the 7th or 8th best team in the league. That is us. And if you want to vent your spleen, direct at the one holding the purse strings. The one who has made a cacophony of mistakes over the last 5 years in the transfer market.

I have no doubt, just like with Jose, the same irate folks will get what they want. Nuno will get sacked and you can rejoice. And I hope we hire the manager this same lot think is out there that will mold this squad into the fantasy they hold in their heads. I really do hope that. maybe then, they’ll put the bag down, and will give this person more than 10 league games to bed in a system of play. Maybe they’ll be less vitriolic and actually make SC a little nicer to engage with again.

Go to bed mate and take that thumb out of your mouth