FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo

[neogenisis]

I think my apathy has just been confirmed. I had no idea who we were playing this weekend.

Kinda the same, though I only know because its a team we could well lose heavily too.

 

[spursfan77]

There were some grumbles but I don't remember anything like the frustration we're all feeling now. Poch's appointment was met with positivity so that bought him some time, the ideas he tried to implement were also obvious to us fans and so in general although it wasn't bearing fruit I think most of us were happy for him to be given time. None of that applies to Nuno. Most fans felt that he was the polar opposite of what we needed and that we've seen very little evidence that given time we he could get us playing really good football. I've said it elsewhere, what we're seeing are not teething problems. They're the desperate scramblings of a manager without much of an idea about how to get this squad playing attractive, winning football. I'm resigned to Nuno being here for the foreseeable future. I have been convinced by the argument some have made that Levy has backed himself into a corner and simply has to give Paritici's appointment as long as humanly possible to come good. If Levy sacks Nuno, he undermines Paritici, who Levy tore up his original summer plans to hire.

Plan 1: Hire someone consistent with Spurs DNA
Plan 2: Talk to candidates who don't need much money
Plan 3: Oh no, wait, Conte is available
Plan 2 (redux): Fonseca. Yup, he's our man
Plan 4: Ooh, Paritici is available.
Plan 5: We want a defensive coach now
Plan 6: Gatusso you say? Err. Fans say no.
Plan 7: Nuno didn't hang up on us like all the others. He's perfect!

Levy really fucked the summer up didn't he?

We just lucked out with Poch. There is no other explanation for his appointment.

 

[Mark_147]

of course you can - its basics you have have to work on a pattern of play to frame your side into - you work on what you do without the ball how to defend how to develop play an so on

if you haven't got that signing players is just pot luck because what are they going into - the hope that they might be the one who changes it round - the primary thing a manager needs to do is develop a style of a play a system if you have that you have half a chance to work out what players fit and who don't - we ain't got that, didn't have it last season and don't seem to have it now - then you end up with going round in decreasing circles which is where we are now

What if you want to play out from the back but don't have a goalie and defenders who are good enough to do that. What if you want to be a possession based team but the players ain't good enough beat the press and maintain possession. What if you want to press from the front but the players are either too old or not fit enough to do so.

 

[wrd]

Levy really fucked the summer up didn't he?

We just lucked out with Poch. There is no other explanation for his appointment.

We took advantage of favourable circumstances, Southampton board had broken some promises and he wanted to leave and Poch hadn't yet done enough to get one of the bigger jobs so we were a logical step forward. If Southampton's board hadn't have fucked up, he'd have kept building his reputation like Potter is at Brighton.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

What if you want to play out from the back but don't have a goalie and defenders who are good enough to do that. What if you want to be a possession based team but the players ain't good enough beat the press and maintain possession. What if you want to press from the front but the players are either too old or not fit enough to do so.

again you have to work out a system to suit your players and what you have at your disposal that's management - do you really think our players are unfit or to old to press that's all about being organised and doing it as a team or you drop and double bank

just watched a bit of Everton who have probably have lesser players than us - Benitez has been there for same time as Nuno and you can see the work he has been doing with the defensive unit, defending, and shape without the ball can you say the same about us ? Thats a team you can compare us with and look at them today and us last week

 

[jimbo]

What if you want to play out from the back but don't have a goalie and defenders who are good enough to do that. What if you want to be a possession based team but the players ain't good enough beat the press and maintain possession. What if you want to press from the front but the players are either too old or not fit enough to do so.

I think it’s a case of having to do what Klopp did when he started with Liverpool - coach the players to play in the way you want them too until you can replace them with players better suited to your system.

 

[MassadaTom]

again you have to work out a system to suit your players and what you have at your disposal that's management - do you really think our players are unfit or to old to press that's all about being organised and doing it as a team or you drop and double bank

just watched a bit of Everton who have probably have lesser players than us - Benitez has been there for same time as Nuno and you can see the work he has been doing with the defensive unit, defending, and shape without the ball can you say the same about us ? Thats a team you can compare us with and look at them today and us last week

Benitez is not under pressure to play free flowing attacking football that S in our DNA. Also marketability of deadwood is not his concern.

 

[Mark_147]

again you have to work out a system to suit your players and what you have at your disposal that's management - do you really think our players are unfit or to old to press that's all about being organised and doing it as a team or you drop and double bank

just watched a bit of Everton who have probably have lesser players than us - Benitez has been there for same time as Nuno and you can see the work he has been doing with the defensive unit, defending, and shape without the ball can you say the same about us ? Thats a team you can compare us with and look at them today and us last week

It's common knowledge that our squad was the most unfit in the league last season. It will take until November to see the benefits of double training sessions. Not convinced they have lesser players than us in midfield which is where games are won and lost.

 

[Mark_147]

I think it’s a case of having to do what Klopp did when he started with Liverpool - coach the players to play in the way you want them too until you can replace them with players better suited to your system.

Took klopp 3yrs get Liverpool back on track.

 

[MassadaTom]

It's common knowledge that our squad was the most unfit in the league last season. It will take until November to see the benefits of double training sessions. Not convinced they have lesser players than us in midfield which is where games are won and lost.

Sun Tzy?

 

[KaribYid]

again you have to work out a system to suit your players and what you have at your disposal that's management - do you really think our players are unfit or to old to press that's all about being organised and doing it as a team or you drop and double bank

just watched a bit of Everton who have probably have lesser players than us - Benitez has been there for same time as Nuno and you can see the work he has been doing with the defensive unit, defending, and shape without the ball can you say the same about us ? Thats a team you can compare us with and look at them today and us last week

I think this is problem I have with Nuno. I want to say give him time and I want him to do well. I'm not comparing him to Klopp or Tuchel or even Poch at the start with us.

However, he's objectively thus far doing a worse job that Benitez, Vieira and even Lage. These are managers who were hired the same time as him, after similarly protracted manager searches, spend less than us and have lesser players than our squad does.

Thing is, Nuno was never a good fit for us. He could have us looking well drilled in the same 5-2-3 formation that Benitez is playing at Everton (and that his Wolves team played so well using), but he's beholden to Levy's DNA statement and he's trying to coach the team in a style of football that he's never done well in the PL with and that his teams have hardly played throughout his career.

We've really found ourselves in a bit of a mess owing to some terrible decision making (that most could see at the time) over the summer. It's depressing.

 

[samspurs92]

How can anyone watch Brighton and not want Potter as our manager?!

 

[Nebby]

Watching Brighton vs Arsenal and feeling thoroughly pissed off at the way Nuno set the team up last week. if we get turned over tomorrow things are going to get very toxic.

 

[Albertbarich]

How can anyone watch Brighton and not want Potter as our manager?!

Theyre fantastic.

My worry would be would our players be open enough to let him coach them.

Saying that though I'd have him here in a heartbeat.

 

[wiggo24]

How can anyone watch Brighton and not want Potter as our manager?!

Their build up is better than ours ever has been by a distance (and I'm including Poch years in that).

 

[Wsussexspur]

How can anyone thing nuno is the right man to lead us forward or build anything of any substance from us

 

[EssexSH27]

How can anyone thing nuno is the right man to lead us forward or build anything of any substance from us

Para probably rarely watched a English game pre coming. Nuno prob do a decent job in Italy where the games played at 3mph...

 

[rez9000]

A properly backed Potter would have us in with an outside shout at the title.

But, as like a dog to his business, we return to the problem of managers who aren't properly backed because non-footballing considerations take priority.

It doesn't even have to be bags of money spent. It just has to be purchases made for footballing reasons, not financial ones and a relatively minor loosening of the self-imposed restrictions on spending.

It really is so eminently fixable. And everyone could win. We, the fans would win, and Levy would still have his valuable asset, for whatever purpose he wants to use it for.

 

[spursfan77]

How can anyone watch Brighton and not want Potter as our manager?!

It’s just the lack of goal scoring that’s a worry. They’re slow on the ball in attack and don’t move it quick enough. Today is a perfect example. They let the arsenal players all get goal side before attacking. It’s really frustrating and has to be a coaching issue.

 

[Fredo]

Potter is so many levels above Nuno man...