doctor stefan Freud
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What a fucking load of bollocks you’re probably right anyone fancy a pasty?
FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo
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SargeantMeatCurtains
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Free postage when you spend £250 in the spurs shop?
Oh Teddy Teddy
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What if Mason tells them he wants to win the double too?
Dov67
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Then Levy will kick Mason out the door too.What if Mason tells them he wants to win the double too?
Ghost Hardware
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Could just be because we haven’t officially announced anything that journos are trying to cover their assess. As you say I don’t think Nuno going to be able to come back from this.
dontcallme
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I could be wrong but I don't think before the crowd reaction on Saturday the board were considering firing him anytime soon. This is only a guess of course.
So they are now having the horrible situation of firing the manager, deciding on a caretaker and doing another manager search. They seem really clueless on the type of manager they want. If they get it right, it'll likely be through luck rather than pulling off a masterplan.
Hakkz
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This is also where my standards are set atm.
1882andallthat
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Can he retake the reins of the Spurs board for 10 mins on Monday morning to read the riot act to Levy explaining what a clusterf*ck of moves he's made of appointments and matters on the pitch before saying to the bald one, you're fired , and as you close the door on the way out take the other bald one who may have been a nice guy but he was the wrong hire and everyone but him and Paratici knew it ! I'd pay good money to see that.
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Morning ?????
jolsnogross
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It'll be interesting to see Levy and possibly Paratici wash their hands of Nuno and any blame for the hopeless position they put Nuno in. Paratici was quick enough to make a show of himself when we were winning. Was he hanging out on the bench against United? Or at Arsenal?
We've seen Levy's strategic brilliance of going from Poch to polar opposite Mourinho, so I wonder who Paritici will pick next and if there's any semblance of an underlying strategy.
We've seen Levy's strategic brilliance of going from Poch to polar opposite Mourinho, so I wonder who Paritici will pick next and if there's any semblance of an underlying strategy.
Karol
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Apparently Paratici was on the bench on sturday but stormed off down the tunnel when their second was scored
yawa
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Thought it had been mentioned numerous times they had to be on the bench as they were in the players Covid circle and so couldn’t be in other parts of the stadium.
Marty
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Pitt Brooke sticks the knife in.
theathletic.com
We all knew how Nuno and Tottenham was going to end - the only question was when
Discussions about the head coach's future on Sunday undermined whatever authority Nuno had left and he was sacked on Monday morning
theathletic.com
Nuno Espirito Santo’s Tottenham Hotspur tenure is hanging by a thread.
Chairman Daniel Levy and managing director Fabio Paratici spent Sunday locked in talks focused on one key question: whether to sack Nuno now or to leave him in place for a bit longer.
At the time of writing, Nuno was still in his job. In theory, he will still take training on Monday, preparing his players for Thursday night’s Europa Conference League home game with Vitesse Arnhem.
In another sense, though, it barely matters whether the official statement comes now or next week or next month, because the very fact of this news emerging on Sunday has surely removed whatever remained of Nuno’s authority as Tottenham head coach. At some point, more likely to be sooner than later, he will be sacked.
This is the inevitable follow-up from Saturday evening, an occasion which the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium had never seen before. The fact that Spurs played appallingly badly, falling to their third 3-0 defeat of the league season and failing to register a single shot on target all game, is only part of the story.
It was the sense of open revolt from the stands, the booing of Nuno’s decision to take off Lucas Moura, the calling for his head — as well as that of Levy — that brought about Sunday’s crisis talks. Even during the worst days of the Jose Mourinho era, the fact that there were no fans at the games spared the manager — and Levy — their scorn. Maybe if there had been supporters in stadiums, Levy would have been forced to sack Mourinho before he eventually did but there is no escaping the fury of the fans anymore.
Tottenham have another home game this Thursday against Vitesse and Levy will be determined that it is not marred by similar scenes. And certainly for their next home league game, against Leeds United on November 21, the club will want a more supportive atmosphere.
But if it was the scenes in the stands on Saturday which triggered Sunday’s discussions, it was the events on the pitch which explain why Nuno was bound to get sacked at some point this season.
Because the simple fact is that Tottenham have played underwhelming and ineffective football for most of the Nuno era so far. The five league games they have won have been by one-goal margins. They have looked good on the break in patches — against Manchester City in August, and then last month, in the second half against Aston Villa and in the first half at Newcastle United. But the bad performances far outweigh the good. The defeats by Crystal Palace, Arsenal and Manchester United have been as bad as Spurs have played in the league in recent years.
People at Tottenham are keenly aware of just how bad the team are right now at creating chances. Rank all 20 Premier League teams this season by shots and Tottenham are joint bottom with Norwich on 103, just over half of Liverpool’s leading total of 199. Rank all 20 teams by expected goals (xG, excluding penalties) and Spurs are second-bottom with 9.26, ahead of Norwich on 7.25. Liverpool are top with 24.19. Rank the teams by goals scored and again it is only Norwich City (with three) below Tottenham with nine.
These numbers just prove what Spurs fans can see with their eyes: that the team is playing an ugly, turgid style of football, and not even playing it especially well. There is frustration from all sides that Spurs are not playing any better football now than they were under Mourinho, who was sacked six months ago.
There was also hope when Nuno arrived that he would be able to provide the team with a clear footballing identity, especially a plan to build up play and create chances. But to watch Spurs this season has been to watch a team with almost no creativity on the ball. Their best moments have largely been down to the individual excellence of Son Heung-min rather than any coordinated team play.
The fact they did not have one single shot on target against Manchester United should not be too much of a surprise. They also failed to register a shot on target in the second half at Crystal Palace, in the second half at Newcastle (although they were 3-1 up at half-time, it should be said), or in the second half at West Ham United, when they were chasing the game.
There was also a hope that Nuno would be able to improve the team in terms of their fitness, which had got significantly worse during Mourinho’s 17-month tenure. But there is little sign of that so far and Spurs’ distance covered per game is now the lowest in the league.
Put all of this together and there is a feeling among the players that Nuno has not made much of an impression during his four months in the job. There is not a revolt against him and he is not as unpopular as Mourinho was at the end of his tenure.
There is some respect for his integrity and the way that he goes about his work but at the same time, the players have not especially enjoyed his training sessions or his approach to the game, and there is a sense among the players that Nuno is not the sort of charismatic dominant figure, overseeing all aspects of the football club, that, in their individual ways, both Pochettino and Mourinho managed to be.
Ultimately, this all comes down to authority. Nuno arrived at Tottenham with very little, having been given the job after a 72-day search to find Mourinho’s replacement, and only after Spurs had failed to land plenty of other stronger candidates. The fact that he was given a two-year contract only further underlined that he was not a long-term option for the club. From day one, that made his job of convincing the players to buy into his ideas and methods harder than it should have been.
But whatever authority Nuno had left as Spurs boss has been destroyed by the turning of the fans on him on Saturday, and the open discussions about his future on Sunday.
We all know how this story is going to end now. The only question is when.
Chairman Daniel Levy and managing director Fabio Paratici spent Sunday locked in talks focused on one key question: whether to sack Nuno now or to leave him in place for a bit longer.
At the time of writing, Nuno was still in his job. In theory, he will still take training on Monday, preparing his players for Thursday night’s Europa Conference League home game with Vitesse Arnhem.
In another sense, though, it barely matters whether the official statement comes now or next week or next month, because the very fact of this news emerging on Sunday has surely removed whatever remained of Nuno’s authority as Tottenham head coach. At some point, more likely to be sooner than later, he will be sacked.
This is the inevitable follow-up from Saturday evening, an occasion which the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium had never seen before. The fact that Spurs played appallingly badly, falling to their third 3-0 defeat of the league season and failing to register a single shot on target all game, is only part of the story.
It was the sense of open revolt from the stands, the booing of Nuno’s decision to take off Lucas Moura, the calling for his head — as well as that of Levy — that brought about Sunday’s crisis talks. Even during the worst days of the Jose Mourinho era, the fact that there were no fans at the games spared the manager — and Levy — their scorn. Maybe if there had been supporters in stadiums, Levy would have been forced to sack Mourinho before he eventually did but there is no escaping the fury of the fans anymore.
Tottenham have another home game this Thursday against Vitesse and Levy will be determined that it is not marred by similar scenes. And certainly for their next home league game, against Leeds United on November 21, the club will want a more supportive atmosphere.
But if it was the scenes in the stands on Saturday which triggered Sunday’s discussions, it was the events on the pitch which explain why Nuno was bound to get sacked at some point this season.
Because the simple fact is that Tottenham have played underwhelming and ineffective football for most of the Nuno era so far. The five league games they have won have been by one-goal margins. They have looked good on the break in patches — against Manchester City in August, and then last month, in the second half against Aston Villa and in the first half at Newcastle United. But the bad performances far outweigh the good. The defeats by Crystal Palace, Arsenal and Manchester United have been as bad as Spurs have played in the league in recent years.
People at Tottenham are keenly aware of just how bad the team are right now at creating chances. Rank all 20 Premier League teams this season by shots and Tottenham are joint bottom with Norwich on 103, just over half of Liverpool’s leading total of 199. Rank all 20 teams by expected goals (xG, excluding penalties) and Spurs are second-bottom with 9.26, ahead of Norwich on 7.25. Liverpool are top with 24.19. Rank the teams by goals scored and again it is only Norwich City (with three) below Tottenham with nine.
These numbers just prove what Spurs fans can see with their eyes: that the team is playing an ugly, turgid style of football, and not even playing it especially well. There is frustration from all sides that Spurs are not playing any better football now than they were under Mourinho, who was sacked six months ago.
There was also hope when Nuno arrived that he would be able to provide the team with a clear footballing identity, especially a plan to build up play and create chances. But to watch Spurs this season has been to watch a team with almost no creativity on the ball. Their best moments have largely been down to the individual excellence of Son Heung-min rather than any coordinated team play.
The fact they did not have one single shot on target against Manchester United should not be too much of a surprise. They also failed to register a shot on target in the second half at Crystal Palace, in the second half at Newcastle (although they were 3-1 up at half-time, it should be said), or in the second half at West Ham United, when they were chasing the game.
There was also a hope that Nuno would be able to improve the team in terms of their fitness, which had got significantly worse during Mourinho’s 17-month tenure. But there is little sign of that so far and Spurs’ distance covered per game is now the lowest in the league.
Put all of this together and there is a feeling among the players that Nuno has not made much of an impression during his four months in the job. There is not a revolt against him and he is not as unpopular as Mourinho was at the end of his tenure.
There is some respect for his integrity and the way that he goes about his work but at the same time, the players have not especially enjoyed his training sessions or his approach to the game, and there is a sense among the players that Nuno is not the sort of charismatic dominant figure, overseeing all aspects of the football club, that, in their individual ways, both Pochettino and Mourinho managed to be.
Ultimately, this all comes down to authority. Nuno arrived at Tottenham with very little, having been given the job after a 72-day search to find Mourinho’s replacement, and only after Spurs had failed to land plenty of other stronger candidates. The fact that he was given a two-year contract only further underlined that he was not a long-term option for the club. From day one, that made his job of convincing the players to buy into his ideas and methods harder than it should have been.
But whatever authority Nuno had left as Spurs boss has been destroyed by the turning of the fans on him on Saturday, and the open discussions about his future on Sunday.
We all know how this story is going to end now. The only question is when.
