Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[SirHarryHotspur]

Let’s add some context, Wolves (13th) and Southampton (20th) both put 3 goals past us in the last few weeks, despite only scoring 22 and 23 goal’s respectively all season so far, against a team coached by a manager famed for his defensive game, let that sink in for a second. 14% of Wolves and Southampton’s goals this season have been scored in one game each against us as a ‘top four side’.

Wolves scored three ?????

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

I am baffled how anybody that supports Spurs and desperately wants the club to be successful can be unhappy about what Conte said. He has high standards and clearly the club, the players and the owners are not matching his ambition. If you are unhappy with what he said then ask yourself what your own ambitions are for the club?

His comments were about saving his own skin. He’s used decades of criticism against the club as ammo for self-preservation.

Don’t talk to me about high standards of winning when he’s resting our two best players in a massive cup game at Sheffield Utd.

He’s as much to blame as anyone for this season but he doesn’t want to hear it.

 

[Dazzazzad]

The point is the next manager has to be given what he asks for not club buys. It’s ridiculous to hire an expert in his field and then tell him you know better than him what he needs.

But recruitment isn't his job. He's not an expert in that area, FP and the scouts are. We've seen firsthand that managers getting who they want doesn't necessarily have a great outcome - Perisic, Tanguy, etc.

Of course they need to identify attributes they want for their system but a coaches expertise is coaching.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Every manager went at Chelsea under the previous ownership win or lose.

True but did they publicly complain not sure most of them did.

PS Mourhino probably did but he always complains.

 

[jolsnogross]

Lol but if you think those players can play front foot football and it work you are in for a rude awakening.
The same issues still will exists, the midfield will get pressed and can’t play their way out which will lead to us losing the ball constantly, our forwards as we’ve seen cannot play intricate football in and around the box and will lose the ball constantly.
You think our defence is bad now…. Just wait until it’s constantly countered on and we have 2 cbs against 2-3 attackers in a high line.

Then change the fucking players too. That's the other aspect here, like we dont have agency over ourselves and our playing staff. Stop playing lazy fucking players. Get into the youth squad and champion 2 or 3 of them. Instead of lining up with 541 vs southampton, we could be 4141 or any number of options that doesn't have us lying so deep.

What's your solution? Keep playing shitty, deep-lying, walking football with the same players? Or change the fucking approach along with those implementing it.

 

[Gilzeanking]

For all those lauding Conte...take a look at some calm analysis of the Soton match. Start at 4.45

Baffled pundits 'Spurs are 3-1 up and playing well and then Conte does this '

Completely idiotic Conte tactics. HE played a big part in the collapse. Old school footie from a dinosaur.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

But recruitment isn't his job. He's not an expert in that area, FP and the scouts are. We've seen firsthand that managers getting who they want doesn't necessarily have a great outcome - Perisic, Tanguy, etc.

Of course they need to identify attributes they want for their system but a coaches expertise is coaching.

your right but it isn’t Levy’s job either but we had ITK that Spence for example was who Levy wanted.

 

[worcestersauce]

It doesn't help if, when you don't get the one you want, you totally ostracise the one you did get. We have Spence playing in France now not because he's no good but because it was the only way he'd get a game of football.
I didn't think Conte was right for us as I thought he was trouble but he came and I got behind him and I have stood up for him right the way through because I believed he was committed, I still do think he was committed but I no longer think he is now so if for no other reason he may as well go. It might lance the boil.

 

[spursfan77]

 

[Metalhead]

It's hard to argue with any of the points really. The culture at the club doesn't lend itself to on the field success - not in terms of trophies - we have progressed since beginning of the millennium but have then stagnated.

Conte has to take responsibility too (and of course ultimately will) because he had some influence over changing that but obviously decided that he won't - partly because in his own way, he is as conservative as Daniel Levy is, in terms of his own approach - not being willing to adapt his philosophy or change his methods to suit the players that he has.

Lest we forget also when being scathing about these 'winners' that the club has employed of late - they didn't exactly turn up at the club and start coaching the players - a certain somebody employed them.

 

[easley91]

Before judging what he said by reading out of context quotes on twitter, watch the whole thing:


It's all about the players, and at the end he says EVERYONE has to take responsibility.

He still needs to go, and he is partly to blame with his tactics and subs, however he is bang on.

 

[ilikeost]

Then change the fucking players too. That's the other aspect here, like we dont have agency over ourselves and our playing staff. Stop playing lazy fucking players. Get into the youth squad and champion 2 or 3 of them. Instead of lining up with 541 vs southampton, we could be 4141 or any number of options that doesn't have us lying so deep.

What's your solution? Keep playing shitty, deep-lying, walking football with the same players? Or change to fucking approach along with those implementing it.

His little hissy fit yesterday actually becomes more nonsensical the more you think about it. Like you said, if he is only seeing selfish losers on the pitch, why is he picking the same players every week? He refuses to let someone like Sarr play, even though he looked like a solid player when Conte was forced to play him against Milan. Youth players like Devine or White gets zero chances. Danjuma? Scores on his debute and then is completely ignored. Gil? Loned out after his brightest period at the club and just got called up by Spain BTW.

His rant was selfish, it was only about protecting his image.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

your right but it isn’t Levy’s job either but we had ITK that Spence for example was who Levy wanted.

Nope. It was who Paratici targeted after scouting him, as he saw him as a ‘perfect Conte wing back’

Levy just negotiated the deal as he has some connection to Spence’s agent.

 

[littlewilly]

My very first post(I think) on Conte. Didn't really want him; don't particularly like him; can't think of anything he's done in terms of team selection or in-game management that's impressed me; happy that he leaves soon.

 

[hero]

Nope. It was who Paratici targeted after scouting him, as he saw him as a ‘perfect Conte wing back’

Levy just negotiated the deal as he has some connection to Spence’s agent.

How did you learn this?

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

I’ve had my say about Conte (loads now), so will leave it at that.

Hard not to agree with above though. Meandering, nothing performances from so many of them throughout the season. I appreciate the uncertainty has been rife this season, but their lack of care and urgency has been noted by every fan. Such a big disconnect with this current team and the fanbase.

 

[HildoSpur]

Nope. It was who Paratici targeted after scouting him, as he saw him as a ‘perfect Conte wing back’

Levy just negotiated the deal as he has some connection to Spence’s agent.

How do you know this? You must have great connections in the club

 

[nedley]

Exactly.

Finally someone at the club visibly and publicly angry at the shit show Levy presides over.

The fans’ reaction?

“Gosh, this is a bit much. Poor Mr Levy. I hope he gives him a good talking to tomorrow.”

We are a pathetic fanbase, addicted to underperformance and memediocrity.

You know you can agree with Conte's comments, be in support of them AND want him gone at the same time?

Boggling my head that fans can't figure that one out.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

He has said in the past he was open to a 3 or 4 year contract when he came, but it was the club who wanted the shorter one.

The fact his family haven’t moved over suggests this was never a long term gig.

Wolves scored three ?????

Where have I got that from? Must have been getting confused…. It doesn’t take much.

 

[eddiebailey]

It’s bad not being able to hang onto a 3:1 lead against Southampton but it’s worse attempting to hang onto a 3:1 lead against Southampton rather than attempting to increase it.

And that’s on Conte.