Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[djhotspur]

Our squad was still superior to Nottingham Forest and a reserve Championship team (Sheffield United) in the domestic cups, this season.

There was no excuse to lose those two matches, regardless of Sanchez, Dier and Davies playing.

No there wasn’t but that is not all I’m conte. It’s pathetic how those players performed

 

[kmk]

Are the players completely blameless?

No, but Conte should be able to motivate the players against inferior opponents like Mura, Forest and Sheffield Utd.

 

[CanadaSpurs]

If he was that interested in cash he'd sign the contract extension that's allegedly sitting on his desk right now.

He doesn’t want to stay but wants the rest of money on this deal. He’ll get paid by someone else next year, he doesn’t need to take the extension.

 

[longtimespur]

Are the players completely blameless?

Whilst Conte is still here they will be.

 

[Cuore da Leone]

We played exciting fooball last season, then backed him and we aren't playing exciting football anymore

There have been songs for Poch in the concourses at Wolves, both before and after match, and after the game in the week.
I fully expect that to change tomorrow and will be very surprised if you don’t hear “He’s magic you know” in the stands.
Could set off some Spurs on Spurs , but I am certain will happen and I will be singing along with it when it does. (I will admit I was singing it in the ground as far back as last few minutes of the league cup at Forest)

Pocchettino is not the answer - bringing him back may be romantic and remind everyone of their first love, but he is not what we need! Stop chanting his name; it‘s ridiculous.

 

[Deleted member 27855]

Pocchettino is not the answer - bringing him back may be romantic and remind everyone of their first love, but he is not what we need! Stop chanting his name; it‘s ridiculous.

It's the most predictable train wreck ever and half our fans will lap it up unfortunately. I want to remember him fondly not have Levy use him as a shield for criticism.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

You know what would have been nice?

If Levy or Paratici had come out back in December or January and publicly backed Conte. Just a simple statement that the club is in alignment with Conte's vision, and is working towards that direction. That would have given the supporters a bit of encouragement that the club had a plan.

Instead, we get radio silence, publicly, and little leaks privately. That left Conte to fend for himself, and answer for the club's plans.

 

[olliec]

Levy does spend, but always looking at bargain basement prices. Never first choice players the managers want. This is why will never compete. No manager will be fully backed while we are under Enic and Levy.

 

[kmk]

Levy does spend, but always looking at bargain basement prices. Never first choice players the managers want. This is why will never compete. No manager will be fully backed while we are under Enic and Levy.

Weren't Ndombele and Lo Celso, Poch's first choices?

 

[Cuore da Leone]

I actually hope that we put 3 or more goals past Nottingham Forrest so that everyone calms down. Still a lot to play for this season, so let‘s not give up. Levelling criticism only at Conte is extremely harsh and short-sighted. Crucial games coincided with his health deteriorating and it is unfortunate that we are no longer involved in any cup competition.
Arguably, Bentancur is more important for our game than anyone else. Him missing most definitely didn‘t help. And Son has been so poor it‘s unbelievable.

I still hold Conte in very high regard, because he has analyzed the situation and history of our club really well. He has identified our main issues and is doing his best to fix them. The biggest problem this season has been our inconsistency. One fantastic game usually followed by several poor ones - not great!

Why does everyone think he doesn‘t want to stay with us though? He is a fighter and surely won‘t give up this easily. Come on Antonio, show us what you got!

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I find it really irritating the way Conte keeps talking about it "taking time" and "having patience" when the elephant in the room is he is out of contract in summer and he has shown no desire to renew.

It's always this subtle shirking of blame as well, implying the team is not good enough. He talks about "seeing the reality"...the reality is we should not be losing to Notts Forest, Sheffield United and AC Milan in key cup competitions with the players we have.

Great post and exactly this, if he’s going to keep banging on about the reality and insulating our club and fans then we will tell him the reality which is he should be doing a far better job than he is.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Weren't Ndombele and Lo Celso, Poch's first choices?

Also Porro, Richarlison.

Levy isn’t perfect and is part of the issue but the notion he ‘doesn’t spend’ and always goes for 2nd choices isn’t entirely true anymore since the stadium has been up and running.

Conte has had a reasonable amount of backing and we’ve gone backwards.

 

[olliec]

Weren't Ndombele and Lo Celso, Poch's first choices?

Was Danjuma, spence and lenglet Contes first choices?

 

[kmk]

Was Danjuma, spence and lenglet Contes first choices?

But you said the below, which is not entirely true.

Levy does spend, but always looking at bargain basement prices. Never first choice players the managers want.

 

[TPdYID]

What no one seems to pull him up on is that he's 18 months into his tenure, and we've endured a number of humiliations in that time, be it Mura, or Sheffield, be it being battered by the local rivals home and away, etc. His longest ever stint as a manager is 151 games at Juventus, his last three stints have run 106 and 102, ignoring his time as Italian manager... he's on 74 games with us, so by any reasonable measure he's half way into the longest he's ever ever spent at a club, and he's three quarters of the way int the time he's spent at Milan and Chelsea... at 3/4 of the way in we ought to be seeing SIGNS... there should be shoots of more than just the odd glimmer of his philosophies and ideas. To cry patience when his contract runs out in 15 games, is laughable. That takes us to 89 games. He needs 5 wins out of those to say he did a better job with us than Jose over his full tenure, as Jose only lasted 86. We can all try and play Mystic Meg and guess what might have been if Jose had stayed and was up on 170 games with us now - better or worse - but the one thing we don't need to be a psychic to see is that the team going out on the pitch is lacking an identity and philosophy.

We've brought in Richarlison, Lenglet, Danjuma, Spence, Bissouma, Porro, Bentancur, Kulusevski, Perisic and Foster, and seen Sarr and Bryan join up and Romero made permanent... that's almost half of a squad... under his watch. We shipped out Bryan and Spence pretty sharpish, and we aren't including Udogie who is yet to join up. it seems ludicrous to be levelling the 'Spurs players are soft' argument, when these are not the players Mourinho was trying to get to toughen up. Then you have to look at Paratici and recruitment if we are still buying players who lack the stomach for a fight.

And regardless of that, an Elite Manager (tm) ought to be able to improve the players at his disposal to the point that we the fans can see from the stands what is being worked on, and how close it is to clicking into place now... not watching one of our coaches shrug to our current captain 'no fucking clue mate...' on the touchline.

So no, he doesn't get a pass from me. And that doesn't mean I'm all gung-ho for Levy, either. He's got a buttload of faults, but he brought in someone who he genuinely believed would take us to the next level in terms of silverware not once, but twice, in Jose and Conte, trusting them to work with what we had AND over a few windows bring in more that worked for them. 18 months in, I'd say we are in worse shape than when we fired Jose, and that hurts. Levy isn't faultless. But a huge sodding heap of this shit lands on Conte's doorstep. And for him to keep deflecting, sloping his shoulders and gaslighting us as fans is so much bs.

Post of the year. Well played you!

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I really thought Conte was going to work out for us especially after him getting us to top4 last season ahead of Arsenal.

We had a decent summer window and there was a lot of optimism for this season.

Unfortunately the football this season has been on the whole dreadful, he’s barely improved any players, we’ve whimpered out all cup comps to inferior teams without a fight, he hasn’t committed to a longer deal but yet keeps preaching time and patience and most insultingly seems to think and almost keep referring to the fact he is almost doing us a favour being our manager.

Thanks for last season and sorry about your personal hardship this season but time to go…asap. ciao Antonio

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

What no one seems to pull him up on is that he's 18 months into his tenure, and we've endured a number of humiliations in that time, be it Mura, or Sheffield, be it being battered by the local rivals home and away, etc. His longest ever stint as a manager is 151 games at Juventus, his last three stints have run 106 and 102, ignoring his time as Italian manager... he's on 74 games with us, so by any reasonable measure he's half way into the longest he's ever ever spent at a club, and he's three quarters of the way int the time he's spent at Milan and Chelsea... at 3/4 of the way in we ought to be seeing SIGNS... there should be shoots of more than just the odd glimmer of his philosophies and ideas. To cry patience when his contract runs out in 15 games, is laughable. That takes us to 89 games. He needs 5 wins out of those to say he did a better job with us than Jose over his full tenure, as Jose only lasted 86. We can all try and play Mystic Meg and guess what might have been if Jose had stayed and was up on 170 games with us now - better or worse - but the one thing we don't need to be a psychic to see is that the team going out on the pitch is lacking an identity and philosophy.

We've brought in Richarlison, Lenglet, Danjuma, Spence, Bissouma, Porro, Bentancur, Kulusevski, Perisic and Foster, and seen Sarr and Bryan join up and Romero made permanent... that's almost half of a squad... under his watch. We shipped out Bryan and Spence pretty sharpish, and we aren't including Udogie who is yet to join up. it seems ludicrous to be levelling the 'Spurs players are soft' argument, when these are not the players Mourinho was trying to get to toughen up. Then you have to look at Paratici and recruitment if we are still buying players who lack the stomach for a fight.

And regardless of that, an Elite Manager (tm) ought to be able to improve the players at his disposal to the point that we the fans can see from the stands what is being worked on, and how close it is to clicking into place now... not watching one of our coaches shrug to our current captain 'no fucking clue mate...' on the touchline.

So no, he doesn't get a pass from me. And that doesn't mean I'm all gung-ho for Levy, either. He's got a buttload of faults, but he brought in someone who he genuinely believed would take us to the next level in terms of silverware not once, but twice, in Jose and Conte, trusting them to work with what we had AND over a few windows bring in more that worked for them. 18 months in, I'd say we are in worse shape than when we fired Jose, and that hurts. Levy isn't faultless. But a huge sodding heap of this shit lands on Conte's doorstep. And for him to keep deflecting, sloping his shoulders and gaslighting us as fans is so much bs.

As said before incredible post and also the amount of ratings it’s got perhaps we don’t need a poll after all to see how the fans feel about conte right now.

Ciao Antonio.

 

[jpascavitz]

Our squad was still superior to Nottingham Forest and a reserve Championship team (Sheffield United) in the domestic cups, this season.

There was no excuse to lose those two matches, regardless of Sanchez, Dier and Davies playing.

Yes I fully agree with you we shouldn't lose to those sides. I find it ridiculous the pundits when I've been watching saying it's Conte's fault that a weakened team couldn't beat those sides...

He's not blameless but shouldn't the squad shoulder some responsibility. We were all excited we finally have forward depth yet a front three of Son, Richy, Lucas isn't good enough against a championship side? I'm not having that.

Contes commitment issues, personal life, style, players bad form, lack of commitment, etc, etc. At the end of the day everybody citing any reason we're struggling is probably right I'm just not having the lurching on to every word he says because we're trying to find ways for him to leave the club. Two months ago, many on here were saying he's 100 percent right to have a go at the club and now just cause he's on his way out we take that personally.

 

[djhotspur]

No, but Conte should be able to motivate the players against inferior opponents like Mura, Forest and Sheffield Utd.

Yet we’ve seen the players under countless managers do the same thing against inferior opposition away from home.
Im not saying conte is blameless but at some point the players need to stand up and be counted.

 

[HodisGawd]

You know what would have been nice?

If Levy or Paratici had come out back in December or January and publicly backed Conte. Just a simple statement that the club is in alignment with Conte's vision, and is working towards that direction. That would have given the supporters a bit of encouragement that the club had a plan.

Instead, we get radio silence, publicly, and little leaks privately. That left Conte to fend for himself, and answer for the club's plans.

You mean the dreaded vote of confidence?