Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Joshua shepherd]

I’d argue Conte is short termism given his track record of jumping ship!

And you’d be guessing. You have no idea how long Conte would stay if he was happy with the environment we’ve created.

 

[YB123]

Ten Hag has been backed tremendously, with players it appears he wants. Also, the hierarchy there appears to listen to him.

Proven by Antony & Martinez. They know they overpaid but Ten Hag wanted him, they got them.

Previously no way United go and get Weghorst on loan but he wanted him, they got him.

They are properly backing the manager.

 

[Harrier]

And you’d be guessing. You have no idea how long Conte would stay if he was happy with the environment we’ve created.

He’s done nothing to convince me of that to date. He’s been whinging and saying we’re lucky to have him since the moment he landed.

 

[Metalhead]

He’s done nothing to convince me of that to date. He’s been whinging and saying we’re lucky to have him since the moment he landed.

But he really hasn't. What he wants is what every fan should want and that is backing to put a successful team together. Really really tedious comment.

 

[Harrier]

But he really hasn't. What he wants is what every fan should want and that is backing to put a successful team together. Really really tedious comment.

Bollocks is it! You’ve a very short memory if you can’t remember his negative press conferences just because it doesn’t suit your anti-Levy agenda.

 

[spursfan77]

He’s done nothing to convince me of that to date. He’s been whinging and saying we’re lucky to have him since the moment he landed.

were you saying the same thing in May when he got us champions league?

 

[Metalhead]

Bollocks is it! You’ve a very short memory if you can’t remember his negative press conferences just because it doesn’t suit your anti-Levy agenda.

He just wants to be backed. Why wouldn't you want that? Levy and ENIC need to be constantly challenged to back him. They knew what they were getting when they recruited him - someone who is driven to succeed - not a 'yes' man. After some of the shite of the last few seasons, I don't want the pressure off ENIC.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

We need to sort ourselves out and stick to a vision. Let’s get the new manager In wether that be Poch or another manager who will build from the academy up and commit to the long term vision and philosophy.

You're entitled to complain about Conte. I've not seen anyone suggest criticizing him is by default a defence of ENIC/Levy

But the thing you say you want (the highlighted quote) is the very thing we don't and won't have because of Levy.

Whether it's 'arry, AVB, Poch, Jose, Conte - the issue isn't the manager, their attitude or philosophy. Those things are a red herring for the constant chopping, changing and penny pinching from Levy at critical moments.

There is no long term vision for the team, no commitment to excellence for the first team squad or academy set up, or the necessary investment to challenge consistently at the top, despite what Levy himself said was a "game changer" from the stadium.

That's the gripe - not that conte is untouchable, or that we should stick with him regardless. It's just that if we won't back him, who will we back? Based on the past 20 years, no one.

Which fall guy will come in and be asked to work with the same group of mediocre players elevated by the 3 -5 who are good enough?

Who the next manager will be is irrelevant if Levy remains in charge.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Proven by Antony & Martinez. They know they overpaid but Ten Hag wanted him, they got them.

Previously no way United go and get Weghorst on loan but he wanted him, they got him.

They are properly backing the manager.

Again, did we not back the manager in the past two windows??? Why do people
Keep commenting we haven’t backed out manager, we literally spent 60m on richarlison to start from bench

 

[parj]

Proven by Antony. They know they overpaid but Ten Hag wanted him, they got him.

Previously no way United go and get Weghorst on loan but he wanted him, they got him.

They are properly backing the manager.

But Ten Hag is also using what he has. He making Fred look like a good player. He is playing Garnacho. He given new life back to Rashford.

 

[H-SF]

And then sacked Poch 4 months later...

Poch deserved to be sacked. He also deserved to be backed earlier in his tenure with us. Both can be true.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Poch deserved to be sacked. He also deserved to be backed earlier in his tenure with us. Both can be true.

Right - but you can’t use Ndombele and Lo Celso as examples of “backing the manager”, as was done here, when the manager never had the chance to really work with them.

And - I disagree that Poch “deserved to be sacked”. Yes results and performances were sub-optimal. But if any manager had built up enough good will to have an off-season, it was Poch.

 

[Darth Vega]

Again, did we not back the manager in the past two windows??? Why do people
Keep commenting we haven’t backed out manager, we literally spent 60m on richarlison to start from bench

You're right but what's the point if we're going to stop now?

 

[YB123]

Again, did we not back the manager in the past two windows??? Why do people
Keep commenting we haven’t backed out manager, we literally spent 60m on richarlison to start from bench

There is backing and then there is "half backing". We half backed.

We got the Juve boys in last Jan and a success.

Now in the summer, 90% of spurs fans if they could pick 3 areas to strengthen were LCB, RWB & Kane cover.

We did 1/3 properly by spending £50m + £10m on Richarlison. Fair enough.

He also got Perisic but on a free at 33, it wasnt a tough one to do for the club.

Now you cannot tell me Conte was backed with a Chmapionship wing back he apparently didnt want, the club wanted, and he appeared to reluctantly agree on that.

On LCB we know he wanted Bastoni but he didnt want to move and many others like Gvardiol, Hincapie, Botman, Pau Torres were linked. We refused to spend big on a key position and signed a 5th choice, Barca outcast on loan. Now I dont think Lenglet is terrible, he just doesnt improve that position.

I'd also add and stand by it, that if Bissouma didnt have one year left we wouldnt have signed him.

Now backing him was spending big on LCB, getting the RWB Conte preferred and pressing ahead with Zaniolo or whoever when Kulu got injured towards the end.

Therefore we should have been ready for this window. Porro isnt a difficult deal to do, I'm sorry but it isnt. Trossard, opening £12m bid. Come on. Its nonsense.

Just because money is spent, it doesnt mean he has been backed sufficiently.

 

[Metalhead]

@Harrier sorry, that comment was rude. It's just extremely frustrating at the moment - clearly we have different opinions on Conte and Daniel Levy (from a football side of things - I think that he's been brilliant commercially) but there wasn't call to have a go at your post like that.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

You're right but what's the point if we're going to stop now?

Who knows, maybe some deeper shit behind scenes, not committing his a huge one, why bring on specific players for a manager who won’t be here

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

There is backing and then there is "half backing". We half backed.

We got the Juve boys in last Jan and a success.

Now in the summer, 90% of spurs fans if they could pick 3 areas to strengthen were LCB, RWB & Kane cover.

We did 1/3 properly by spending £50m + £10m on Richarlison. Fair enough.

He also got Perisic but on a free at 33, it wasnt a tough one to do for the club.

Now you cannot tell me Conte was backed with a Chmapionship wing back he didnt want, the club wnated and he appeared to reluctantly agree on that.

On LCB we know he wanted Bastoni but he didnt want to move and many others like Gvardiol, Hincapie, Botman, Pau Torres were linked. We refused to spend big on a key position and signed a 5th choice, Barca outcast on loan. Now I dont think Lenglet is terrible, he just doesnt improve that position.

I'd also add and stand by it, that if Bissouma didnt have one year left we wouldnt have signed him.

Now backing him was spending big on LCB, getting the RWB Conte preferred and pressing ahead with Zaniolo or whoever when Kulu got injured towards the end.

Therefore we should have been ready for this window. Porro isnt a difficult deal to do, I'm sorry but it isnt. Trossard, opening £12m bid. Come on. Its nonsense.

Just because money is spent, it doesnt mean he has been backed sufficiently.

We are not United, he was backed plain and simple. Maybe not to the extent of a super club but he was backed, if he can’t get the best out of his backing then that’s on him

 

[H-SF]

Proven by Antony & Martinez. They know they overpaid but Ten Hag wanted him, they got them.

Previously no way United go and get Weghorst on loan but he wanted him, they got him.

They are properly backing the manager.

Sorry but Antony was an embarassing overpay. You can back the manager by operating shrewdly in the market. Even if you spend significantly, overpaying by over 30m is never a good idea.

 

[parj]

Right - but you can’t use Ndombele and Lo Celso as examples of “backing the manager”, as was done here, when the manager never had the chance to really work with them.

And - I disagree that Poch “deserved to be sacked”. Yes results and performances were sub-optimal. But if any manager had built up enough good will to have an off-season, it was Poch.

Look at Arsenal. Beginning of last season Arteta should have been sacked for his start. Instead he got backed. Looks like they might be rewarded for it

 

[YB123]

But Ten Hag is also using what he has. He making Fred look like a good player. He is playing Garnacho. He given new life back to Rashford.

He uses Fred against the better teams to do a specific job.

Garnacho is one of Europes biggest talents.

Using what he has? He's hardly been given scraps.

He's been given a world cup winning CB he knows well, a £100m winger he knows well, arguably the best CDM in Europe of the last 5 plus years for big money and we all know what Eriksen can do. Its hardly miracles hes pulled up, he's been backed with moves he wanted and others would have turned nose up at (Eriksen, Antony, now Weghorst)