Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Cochise]

Lol, even Daniel Levy will have a more sophisticated way of figuring out whether a coach is better fit for us than counting the trophies up on his hand.

 

[double0]

The case against Conte & rebuttals

1. The football is horrible to watch - last season wasn't that great to watch at times either, but because we ended up 4th fans forget that. Watch Burnley (Home and Away) Wolves, Saints, Brighton at Home and tell me it is entertaining. We won 4-0 at Villa and got absolutely battered first half - could have been 4-1 down but for some great saves and poor finishing. We came good in the second half (sound familiar?)

2. He hasn't improved players - Emerson, Doherty, Sanchez, Tanganga, Dier, Davies & Sessignon have been working under Conte for 13+ months, they have a ceiling (if players didn't they should all end up like Messi) and we have seen the best of them.

3. We haven't improved upon last season - Conte said himself it was a miracle we finished 4th last season. We had no cup distractions after February and fewer injuries to key players. Romero, Bentacur, Kulu and Richie have all had lengthy lay offs through injury this season and Son is firing blanks

4. He has been backed - IIRC only Bentacur, Kulu, Perisic and Richarlison are Conte picks - 3 of whom have had injuries - I think we would agree that at least 2 have proved to be a success, and Perisic and Richie are not terrible, so in terms of the players he has wanted and got I think he has proven to have a pretty good success rate

5. His system is too rigid / he is stubborn - I would agree with this, by and large he has only used 3-4-3 or 5-3-2 and I do not think he has the players to excel with the wing back system. However, having coached the players for over a year in that system (and having had success with it himself in the past) he is reluctant to abandon it.

6. We concede too many goals - he has one defender / wing back (Perisic) who he has bought, the others were already here apart from Lenglet who is on loan and the fact we didn't sign him or even have an option to buy tells you he is not Conte's preferred choice. It is a struggle to make a solid defence out of Emerson, Doherty, Sanchez, Tanganga, Dier, Davies & Sessignon, but I will add for that reason I would prefer we play 4-3-3 and let the 4 defenders defend.

2. Did you say Conte hasn't improved Doherty Emerson Sanchez Lloris Davies Tanganga...

 

[cjbyid]

Why can’t I want Conte out without being accused of backing Levy

why do ENIC out fans not let the rest of us have an opinion or let us support our team?

Conte’s style of football Is terrible, not one team around us In league plays a low block and counter attacks. He does not want an maverick type players, or players who get you off your seat! He wants big physical players who are just super fit.

The football is predictable and boring to watch. After Mourinho and Nuno I can’t stomach this anti football.

Yes we need to be patient, but the rebuild is under way with Paratici and we have signed some very good promising young players. We now need a manager who will utilise and progress these players on.

we can want ENIC out or put pressure on them without having to watch the Dire football and support Conte.

We are wasting time with a manager who won’t commit to club. We need to sort ourselves out and stick to a vision. Let’s get the new manager In wether that be Poch or another manager who will build from the academy up and commit to the long term vision and philosophy.

Paratici will probably leave if/when conte goes.

If the transfer dealings go back to levy, well it's curtains.

 

[Spursfan1414]

Why can’t I want Conte out without being accused of backing Levy

why do ENIC out fans not let the rest of us have an opinion or let us support our team?

Conte’s style of football Is terrible, not one team around us In league plays a low block and counter attacks. He does not want an maverick type players, or players who get you off your seat! He wants big physical players who are just super fit.

The football is predictable and boring to watch. After Mourinho and Nuno I can’t stomach this anti football.

Yes we need to be patient, but the rebuild is under way with Paratici and we have signed some very good promising young players. We now need a manager who will utilise and progress these players on.

we can want ENIC out or put pressure on them without having to watch the Dire football and support Conte.

We are wasting time with a manager who won’t commit to club. We need to sort ourselves out and stick to a vision. Let’s get the new manager In wether that be Poch or another manager who will build from the academy up and commit to the long term vision and philosophy.

I wish I could winner this 1000x.

Saying “Conte is doing a bad job with our current squad” does not make you a Levy sycophant.

Conte is not the hero to Levy’s villain. They can both be massive issues at the same time, in different ways.

 

[spursfan77]

Paratici will probably leave if/when conte goes.

If the transfer dealings go back to levy, well it's curtains.

He’ll probably bring the nightmare that’s Steve Hitchen back knowing our luck!

 

[IamSpurtacus]

It's short termism once again simple as that.

It's the definition of insanity

Sack the manager, bring in a new guy, get a short term bounce, don't buy him his first choice targets, results decline, fans turn, sack the manager....

rinse, repeat, yawn.

 

[parklane yid]

I wish I could winner this 1000x.

Saying “Conte is doing a bad job with our current squad” does not make you a Levy sycophant.

Conte is not the hero to Levy’s villain. They can both be massive issues at the same time, in different ways.

Thanks glad I got it off my chest ?

 

[spursfan77]

Why can’t I want Conte out without being accused of backing Levy

why do ENIC out fans not let the rest of us have an opinion or let us support our team?

Conte’s style of football Is terrible, not one team around us In league plays a low block and counter attacks. He does not want an maverick type players, or players who get you off your seat! He wants big physical players who are just super fit.

The football is predictable and boring to watch. After Mourinho and Nuno I can’t stomach this anti football.

Yes we need to be patient, but the rebuild is under way with Paratici and we have signed some very good promising young players. We now need a manager who will utilise and progress these players on.

we can want ENIC out or put pressure on them without having to watch the Dire football and support Conte.

We are wasting time with a manager who won’t commit to club. We need to sort ourselves out and stick to a vision. Let’s get the new manager In wether that be Poch or another manager who will build from the academy up and commit to the long term vision and philosophy.

What about loads of injuries and loss of form to key players? You aren’t taking that into consideration. Romero, kulusevski & bentacur have played together twice this season, they’re 3 of our most important players. Add that to Son falling off a cliff, Richarlison always injured etc and it’s going to have a huge impact. Are Southampton and wolves at home forgotten already, they aren’t even a year ago and that is what happens when you don’t have key players. Memories are so short nowadays.

 

[Hakkz]

What about loads of injuries and loss of form to key players? You aren’t taking that into consideration. Romero, kulusevski & bentacur have played together twice this season, they’re 3 of our most important players. Add that to Son falling off a cliff, Richarlison always injured etc and it’s going to have a huge impact. Are Southampton and wolves at home forgotten already, they aren’t even a year ago and that is what happens when you don’t have key players. Memories are so short nowadays.

Injuries happen to every team and manager though. Every season someone is extra hurt by it.

Loss of form isn't completely random. Just like a system can make a player lose all form, a different system can get a player into better form.

 

[Mark_147]

Because he doesn’t have the right players. So the system doesn’t work. So we’re worse than we would be, if he chose to use a different system.

This is literally my complaint. He’s managing the squad he wishes he has, not the one he does, and it isn’t working.

Err so we'd be better with a back 4 you are suggesting?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

What you do is identify early, other managers who can play a system with those players you've bought. It's what every well run club that's not an Elite club does. That right there is the problem fans thinking that every manager change requires a whole new squad rebuild, that's the position Enic have brought us to. I keep seeing posts saying we should appoint this manager or that manager because look at what they are doing at Brighton for example, but completely missing the point that that manager has gone into a side already kitted out for them. What we do is we buy all the ingredients for fine French cuisine then bring in an Michelin starred chef who cooks Asian food. We then start to bring in the right ingredients for him and replace him with a Mexican chef who now has a pantry full of Truffles and Bok Choi. We need to decide what we want and then bring in managers who know how to work with the ingredients at their disposal. There is a reason it took Pep, Klopp, hell even Atreta 2-3 years to achieve anything of note because they had to get the right players in first.

We need to back a horse and bloody stick with it regardless of whether or not it's painless at times, because this chop change shit has proved time and again to be completely fruitless. Until we do that we'll always struggle because we will never have the wealth of talent Chelsea did when the kept changing things up.

This is exactly it in a nutshell ?️ ?

 

[TOLBINY]

2. Did you say Conte hasn't improved Doherty Emerson Sanchez Lloris Davies Tanganga...

No, I am saying that is the claim from some of his critics (The case against Conte) I then offered my rebuttal

 

[JCRD]

Why can’t I want Conte out without being accused of backing Levy

why do ENIC out fans not let the rest of us have an opinion or let us support our team?

Conte’s style of football Is terrible, not one team around us In league plays a low block and counter attacks. He does not want an maverick type players, or players who get you off your seat! He wants big physical players who are just super fit.

The football is predictable and boring to watch. After Mourinho and Nuno I can’t stomach this anti football.

Yes we need to be patient, but the rebuild is under way with Paratici and we have signed some very good promising young players. We now need a manager who will utilise and progress these players on.

we can want ENIC out or put pressure on them without having to watch the Dire football and support Conte.

We are wasting time with a manager who won’t commit to club. We need to sort ourselves out and stick to a vision. Let’s get the new manager In wether that be Poch or another manager who will build from the academy up and commit to the long term vision and philosophy.

I think you can absoutely be Enic out and Conte out - its both parties that are to blame. Conte has fuelled the anger further and I know some may say its great, its what we needed. If I remember correctly, we hired a manager, not a fucking consultant. This shit show isnt down to just one man.

We have half a season to go so lets fucking go for it for now.

 

[Mark_147]

Injuries happen to every team and manager though. Every season someone is extra hurt by it.

Loss of form isn't completely random. Just like a system can make a player lose all form, a different system can get a player into better form.

Some of the these players are not good enough to play 2-3 games a week without mistakes creeping into their game unlike last season when they only had one game a week for the 2nd half of the season.

 

[Spursfan1414]

Err so we'd be better with a back 4 you are suggesting?

100% we’d be better playing 433 right now. Drop a CB, play Emerson as the RB he is and put Bissouma or Sarr in midfield so we can actually compete in there.

Hell, if you still want to play 3 at the back in possession, ask Davies to play LB and play lopsided fullbacks.

 

[Mark_147]

Paratici will probably leave if/when conte goes.

If the transfer dealings go back to levy, well it's curtains.

Why are they joined at the hip.

 

[Spursfan1414]

Paratici will probably leave if/when conte goes.

If the transfer dealings go back to levy, well it's curtains.

Based on what? Paratici was here well before Conte, clearly he’s not contingent on Conte being here.

 

[h2005]

This is really confusing. Is he going? I seen some ITK saying he’s going to be backed. Do we know where we are when the window closes?

 

[Caco]

Why would he do that when he’s got a proven system that works with the right players?

Trust that with time we’ll get the players that will allow the system to thrive and we’ll be competitive.

No, you’re too impatient so want an instant change of manager because it’s the simplest solution despite knowing the players we have aren’t good enough.

If you fix the weaknesses the system no longer becomes a problem.

Not signalling anyone out here, but a few have latched onto this notion that Conte has a proven system, likes it's a magic formula or something that can't fail.
Pretty sure there was a similar notion about Jose at some point, think there was a similar myth surrounding Jack Charlton's style for Ireland in the 90's.
Thing is these systems get found out pretty quickly and football moves on. Hence a good coach is one who doesn't stick to a "proven" formula and is always looking to challenge their opponent. Fact is any half decent coach setting up a team to play Spurs know what they're going up against every time.

 

[Metalhead]

Why can’t I want Conte out without being accused of backing Levy

why do ENIC out fans not let the rest of us have an opinion or let us support our team?

Conte’s style of football Is terrible, not one team around us In league plays a low block and counter attacks. He does not want an maverick type players, or players who get you off your seat! He wants big physical players who are just super fit.

The football is predictable and boring to watch. After Mourinho and Nuno I can’t stomach this anti football.

Yes we need to be patient, but the rebuild is under way with Paratici and we have signed some very good promising young players. We now need a manager who will utilise and progress these players on.

we can want ENIC out or put pressure on them without having to watch the Dire football and support Conte.

We are wasting time with a manager who won’t commit to club. We need to sort ourselves out and stick to a vision. Let’s get the new manager In wether that be Poch or another manager who will build from the academy up and commit to the long term vision and philosophy.

Do you trust Daniel Levy to recruit another coach? Assuming that we did want to get Poch back and he didn't want to work with a director of football, would you rather see Paratici stay than Poch come back?