Everton vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[IfiHadTheWings]

What i loved most about todays performance is that we were not all that, still got gears to go through, if we can get the Wembley monkey off our back quickly i think we will have another very very good season.

Absolutely love this team.

Sanchez... or should i say young Ledley.

 

[neogenisis]

Last 15 was abit odd, we were controlling it then seemed to take our feet off the pedals, wonder is Poch said ease up lads.

 

[C0YS]

Last 15 was abit odd, we were controlling it then seemed to take our feet off the pedals, wonder is Poch said ease up lads.

Probably, but this is normal. When the game is clearly one we do tend to slow things down a bit. Last season we did it all the time. Our 4-0 victory against stoke at WHL being a perfect example.

 

[coys200]

4 very winnable league games coming up before Liverpool.Would be great to go into October top ,and not having to play catch up.

 

[rupsmith]

Eriksen has a lot to thank Sissoko for today.

Sissoko pretty much did Eriksen's running for him. If you watch it back, Idrissa Gueye was clearly tasked with marking Eriksen, and every time Sissoko advanced, Gueye panicked and followed Sissoko and gave Eriksen acres of space to play in.

Sometimes, it's the little tactical things like that that make you realise that were incredibly lucky to have Poch and his coaching team.

It's the channels. With Dier sitting deep, Sissoko can run the channels, provide an outlet for the wing backs and create space centrally for Eriksen, Kane and Ali/Song. He was working the channels well - it wasn't central midfield play. Demebele and Wanayama simply don't do that. Their primary focus is ball retention and control. So with them while it appears that we have control of the game, we are too central and not penetrative/"creative" enough because our creative guys don't have space. They are not very quick distributors either so our play is ponderous with them in the side. With sissoko - even though he clearly does not have the best touch - our side looks mobile and more attacking, as he always looks forward in his play. With Dier holding - and holding well - it's a much more balanced looking side.

 

[Jamturk]

We took the piss today, took the wind right out of their top4 sails.

Merseyside got fucked up today.

 

[werty]

That's game management...you can ask @werty about that

We did exactly what we didn't do against Newcastle. We kept the ball, kept creating chances and didn't let up until the last 10 minutes or so. That's what I want us to keep doing. Not sit back and invite pressure.

And we weren't chasing the game against Burnley. We also didn't have a defender make a terrible mistake today which makes a big difference.

 

[Krule]

Love this headline on the Everton webpage....Meek Surrender To Silky Spurs.....

http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/17-18/comment/reports/35466.html

 

[Mighty Spurs]

Our team peformed extremely well. We deserved to win and we also kept a clean sheet. Sanchez showed us some class today, a reminder of Ledders maybe?.

 

[Blackrat1299]

I wonder if Ross Barkley watched that, and what he thought of it?

 

[TheChosenOne]

Love this headline on the Everton webpage....Meek Surrender To Silky Spurs.....

http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/17-18/comment/reports/35466.html

Those Bluenoses are not very happy. LOL

 

[Francis Gibbs]

I know no more than a great result COYS!!

 

[heelspurs]

I agree but he is still top class.

I love Hugo and have done since his Lyon days. I also believe him to be top class. It is just that his distribution is League 2 and it hasn't improved. Outfield players get pelters for not improving certain things. He should not be above reproach because we love him. Team above the individual.

 

[UbeAstard]

oh and up yours Jamie O'Hara lol

Why wots he done?

 

[UbeAstard]

I love Hugo and have done since his Lyon days. I also believe him to be top class. It is just that his distribution is League 2 and it hasn't improved. Outfield players get pelters for not improving certain things. He should not be above reproach because we love him. Team above the individual.

Not only that but with his experience and as captain you would expect him to be more sensible in the last stages of the game when we are winning against Burnley or against a top side like Chelsea. He should be calming the team to control the ball and stop throwing the ball straight into them 50/50 situations. He was still doing it today and we were 0-3 up, no need to be chasing the game.

 

[C0YS]

I love Hugo and have done since his Lyon days. I also believe him to be top class. It is just that his distribution is League 2 and it hasn't improved. Outfield players get pelters for not improving certain things. He should not be above reproach because we love him. Team above the individual.

Its not, his distribution is decent, and in fact I think I'm right in saying that he had the highest successful pass stat out of any goalkeeper last season.

The problem is that we ask a particularly difficult task for a goalkeeper, i.e. involving them in building up from the back. Lloris' interpretation of building from the back is actually very good, his decision making is also generally good, but what he is best at in building up is bravery, when he makes mistakes he continues with the plan he never panic's, never just hoofs it ect. Its such an important role in the club that essentially a large part of training for goalkeepers is how to build from the back and is the reason Poch brings in his own goalkeeping coach wherever he goes.

The issue is, that because the goalkeeper is so involved with the way build our attacks he is asked to do things which do not come naturally to goalkeepers and often requires pretty technical passes, such as when picking out fullbacks. He is also asked to always try and play these certain kinds of passes. Now midfielders, with far better technique will make passing mistakes like Lloris very often, but a mistake by Lloris puts us in so much more danger. So any distribution mistake is much more highlighted and we remember them more.

People think Lloris has bad distribution largely because of confirmation bias. When he makes a mistake it sticks in our memories and we forget how often he does it correctly. People think that Lloris is poor at distribution because he is asked to build from the back, lumping it wont do, with set tactics and instructions in how to move the ball around. This will naturally lead to more mistakes than if he was just allowed to lump it forward to Kane.

 

[C0YS]

Its not, his distribution is decent, and in fact I think I'm right in saying that he had the highest successful pass stat out of any goalkeeper last season.

The problem is that we ask a particularly difficult task for a goalkeeper, i.e. involving them in building up from the back. Lloris' interpretation of building from the back is actually very good, his decision making is also generally good, but what he is best at in building up is bravery, when he makes mistakes he continues with the plan he never panic's, never just hoofs it ect. Its such an important role in the club that essentially a large part of training for goalkeepers is how to build from the back and is the reason Poch brings in his own goalkeeping coach wherever he goes.

The issue is, that because the goalkeeper is so involved with the way build our attacks he is asked to do things which do not come naturally to goalkeepers and often requires pretty technical passes, such as when picking out fullbacks. He is also asked to always try and play these certain kinds of passes. Now midfielders, with far better technique will make passing mistakes like Lloris very often, but a mistake by Lloris puts us in so much more danger. So any distribution mistake is much more highlighted and we remember them more.

People think Lloris has bad distribution largely because of confirmation bias. When he makes a mistake it sticks in our memories and we forget how often he does it correctly. People think that Lloris is poor at distribution because he is asked to build from the back, lumping it wont do, with set tactics and instructions in how to move the ball around. This will naturally lead to more mistakes than if he was just allowed to lump it forward to Kane.

This is a good article on our distribution/building from the back.

https://www.spursfanatic.com/blog/hugo-lloris-dynamic-distribution/

 

[UbeAstard]

They spent £100m buying overpriced and over hyped decent but not game changing players,. Siggy and Keane were pushed out of Spurs and United as deemed not good enough. Everton decided to spend £80m on these two alone.

Siggy is clearly good enough and didnt get a proper chance at Spurs. Would have been different if Poch had him. Still over priced though.

 

[UbeAstard]

We did exactly what we didn't do against Newcastle. We kept the ball, kept creating chances and didn't let up until the last 10 minutes or so. That's what I want us to keep doing. Not sit back and invite pressure.

And we weren't chasing the game against Burnley. We also didn't have a defender make a terrible mistake today which makes a big difference.

I disagree, I can recall numerous moments against Burnley in the last 10 minutes when maturity was lacking.

 

[C0YS]

Siggy is clearly good enough and didnt get a proper chance at Spurs. Would have been different if Poch had him. Still over priced though.

He is a good option for top 6 side. He is not good enough to be a regular player at that level. There is a reason Everton got a free run at him. He is not worth that price.

I think he will do okay at Everton, as long as they play to his strengths, but the hype around him when he signed does not match his relative abilities. Unfortunately, some Everton fans think/thought him as an upgrade to Barkley and top playmaker, they will be disappointed I hope they don't get on Sigs back (but they will!).