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CanadaSpurs

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The only way a salary cap could be good is if it came with iron-clad provisions redistributing the excess down the ladder, and it would have to apply across Europe. Otherwise the talent would bleed away to another great league that doesn’t have a cap.

In North America, they can all get away with it because they’re the only game in town. Of course MLS has one but as a new North American league it was always going to. That’s another reason why MLS, while not as bad as it was, is still utter dross at time. The best young players still leave to get paid. All the other leagues have no meaningful international market for their players at the higher end of the wage scale.

In the NHL and NBA, punitive rules for paying young players means young European players who are already playing professionally in European leagues often take a paycut to play in North America. If they can stick it out, eventually they could earn more in the long run, but since North American youth are content to be paid $0 until they’re 18 or 19 years old and the leagues have drawn up rules mandating their salary for the first three professional years, it’s a raw deal for young players.

As you can imagine, teams have caught on that to really compete, you need players who will perform well above their value on these “entry-level” contracts, to maximize the value you get from your salary-capped squad. Eventually, however, your young players grow up and then you have to figure out how to pay everyone. Inevitably, you can’t.

Watching the front office and the salary cap has become perhaps 30-40% of the fan experience in North America, and at least 50% when watching the pundits, who will wax poetic about the business side of the game whenever given the chance. It’s been a poor experience all around.
 

LeParisien

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Wouldn't this be a case of a government interfering with football matters which is against FIFA law?
With respect, fifa law does not and never will have precedence over U.K. law. Football fits within an existing legal system. Fifa should worry about what happens on the pitch.
 

tobi

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With respect, fifa law does not and never will have precedence over U.K. law. Football fits within an existing legal system. Fifa should worry about what happens on the pitch.

Both things can be true because everyone answers/reports to FIFA.
 

Julmust

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A full reset of european football too. Champions league should be for champions only and the money put back into domestic leagues above the CL. It's chasing the CL year after year and the money that comes with that has got clubs into this mess.

Yep. I don't think people in here realize the full extent to which the reshaping of European competition driven by the greed of the richest has damaged smaller leagues around Europe. And this isn't just the Real Madrids and the Juventuses, it's the leagues too. The notion that the PL, Bundesliga, and La Liga should have a god given right to 4 automatic places each in the top competition of European football only by having larger viewerships is the exact kind of reasoning that led to the launching of the ESL.

Until we have people in power at all levels who value solidarity, tradition and the intrinsic value of competition then I don't see how we can turn this development around. And I'm not naive or optimistic enough to actually believe that can happen.
 
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PCozzie

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Wouldn't this be a case of a government interfering with football matters which is against FIFA law?
However the ESL would be outside of FIFA, and so any rules would not apply?

Edit: I don't know why I'm getting involved in this, I know the square root of fuck all about the law. Oh look, a squirrel!
 

WinksyBoy

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They’ve got a big task on their hands. They cant take Spurs side on this and will never do that. But they also cant exactly call for a takeover when the club has given them *some* access over the years. Dont envy them.
Going to log in, be interested to see what they say/propose.
 

PLTuck

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Going to log in, be interested to see what they say/propose.

I really hope they ask why he was willing to pull out of the oldest, most famous, and most prestigious (until the money of CL 4th place took over) cup competition in the world. As the dust settles, this is the thing that upset me the most.

Have a cup winners cup to bring the prestige back to domestic cups. Have the Europa league be for the european leagues outside of the Top 8 leagues or something, and have the winners (and possibly losing finalists, or have a wildcard from the quarterfinalists) get a 2 spots in the cup winners cup.

Champions league should be champions, in a league.
 

Harryson

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Here are the fixtures of the new European Super League 2021/22

Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona

Quarter finals
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona

Semi-final
Barcelona vs Real Madrid
Real Madrid vs Barcelona

Final
Real Madrid vs Barcelona
 

mil1lion

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Now if we could all get as angry about bigotry in any form, poverty and climate change please.

Ta.
It just seems that something big has to happen and highly publicised for people to get up in arms about. George Floyd for example.
 

PLTuck

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It just seems that something big has to happen and highly publicised for people to get up in arms about. George Floyd for example.

Climate change has been widely publicized for 50 years and there can be no bigger thing than the destruction of any habitability on earth for humans.

I'm not being snotty, I get your point but it's not like these subjects aren't known about. Our political desires unfortunately but naturally, fall towards the self.
 

Hazelton

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I find those taking the moral high ground at the moment to be embarrassing, to be honest. Every other club in the Premier League would have jumped at the chance to be included yet couldn't wait to condemn the big six. They obviously deserve all of the negativity but I don't want to hear it from Sky, BT Sport and the likes of Everton, PSG etc who have pumped millions in to the game. I don't want to hear about these clubs ruining football when PSG have blown the transfer market out of the water in recent seasons, same with Bayern who basically try to cherry pick all of the rival talent and monopolise Bundesliga. Football and businesses in general have been poisoned by money, everyone is at fault.

What these clubs were trying to do is no different to what goes on every day with the likes of Amazon, Google, Apple, Facebook etc constantly looking to make more and more money while employing people on the bare minimum and charging obscene prices. It's pure greed and the world is rife with it, anyone who thinks football is the only problem is looking through a very small window. Hopefully this draws attention to the larger issue but I think we're too far gone.
 

WinksyBoy

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I really hope they ask why he was willing to pull out of the oldest, most famous, and most prestigious (until the money of CL 4th place took over) cup competition in the world. As the dust settles, this is the thing that upset me the most.

Have a cup winners cup to bring the prestige back to domestic cups. Have the Europa league be for the european leagues outside of the Top 8 leagues or something, and have the winners (and possibly losing finalists, or have a wildcard from the quarterfinalists) get a 2 spots in the cup winners cup.

Champions league should be champions, in a league.
I didn't think we were pulling out of the FA Cup?
 

worcestersauce

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Just for starters:


Judicial review is for challenging the exercising of power by the executive branch not the enactment of new powers by the legislature.

Judicial review in the UK does not allow for challenges towards primary legislation at all. Apart from some very very niche cases, parliament is sovereign and can do whatever it likes.
So what you are saying is thatthe Prime Minister can make up any old legislation to please anyone he wants to do a favour for and there's nothing anybody can do about it?
 

Donki

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I didn't think we were pulling out of the FA Cup?

If there was a super league, we would be puling out of everything but it eventually, I think thats what people are missing. The initial model would be for 20 clubs, that list will grow and grow with the clubs who can bring the most money being the clubs selected. Your telling me we are going to have the time to play in a super league, a premier league and an FA cup?
 

PLTuck

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Aug 22, 2006
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I didn't think we were pulling out of the FA Cup?

There was always the risk of being thrown out. I'm sure I read a report that said we wanted to stay in PL but ditch the domestic cups. That we wanted to play LESS football, not more.

Besides, how can you be in the FA cup if you then go on to win it and get a place in Europa League that you have broken away from? (does that still happen? I cant keep up!)
 

Amo

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So what you are saying is thatthe Prime Minister can make up any old legislation to please anyone he wants to do a favour for and there's nothing anybody can do about it?

The Prime Minister can't enact 'any old legislation'. Parliament can, though. And the only ones that can 'do anything about it' is a future parliament.
 
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