European Super League Mega Thread

[mil1lion]

I can understand why Levy accepted. It just feels like we went along with it because other giant clubs signed up. The trouble is we have to do what we can to compete. If this went ahead and we didn't join then we'll drop.even further behind.

We will get stick from other clubs but we do anyway. We did great under Poch without spending much. We took it to the big clubs and even went a summer without any transfers. Yet we still finished top 4 and we made the CL final.

What did we get for it? We got no trophies and ridiculed for it. We got called bottle jobs and had to listen to chants of "you've won fuck all". So we tried to do things organically and now we're in a situation of if you can't beat them them. That's why we hired Jose because we're desperate for CL again.

I don't praise Chelsea fans either for protesting. They know full well that they have no financial troubles. With this being called off they will benefit. If the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona fall behind because of debts the rich clubs like PSG, Chelsea and City will stand more chance to win the CL. Its easy for clubs like Chelsea to turn this down and still succeed. I don't think they were worried about the impact of clubs who they celebrate taking the best players from.

There's so much wrong with football and it's spiralled out of control. There's a hell.of lot of work to be done still. We're by no means innocent in all of this but we're also not the biggest culprits. The club have a lot of work to do now to rebuild relations with the fans again. We have to continue to support our communities and lower league football. All clubs are suffering and this action by the 12 is not right. We should embrace competition and help support the clubs who provide so much to the sport. The same clubs who have provided great players for our clubs and who have helped players on loan.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

How does the legislative procedure work then?

Even a pleb like me knows it’s a touch more complicated than rushing through a law on a whim that would be bespoke for just one specific industry, not just because of the various other industr with vested interests in that one situation, but because of the precedent it could then set for all types of unforeseen situations. Particularly when there is a) no contractual penalty for releasing a press release that said you intend to do something.... before releasing another one two days later saying in reflection you’d rather not and b) absolutely no precedent for dealing with this situation which suggests that expulsion of clubs is even remotely possible.

Any half decent lawyer (which I am not) could give you a proper answer faster than you can say ‘judicial review’. Me, I’m just not so daft that I think BoJo the clown is trying to do anything other than score political points off the back of the public outcry.

What happened is shit. There be no tangible repercussions. People need to move on.

 

[Ashley1974]

I can understand why Levy accepted. It just feels like we went along with it because other giant clubs signed up. The trouble is we have to do what we can to compete. If this went ahead and we didn't join then we'll drop.even further behind.

We will get stick from other clubs but we do anyway. We did great under Poch without spending much. We took it to the big clubs and even went a summer without any transfers. Yet we still finished top 4 and we made the CL final.

What did we get for it? We got no trophies and ridiculed for it. We got called bottle jobs and had to listen to chants of "you've won fuck all". So we tried to do things organically and now we're in a situation of if you can't beat them them. That's why we hired Jose because we're desperate for CL again.

I don't praise Chelsea fans either for protesting. They know full well that they have no financial troubles. With this being called off they will benefit. If the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona fall behind because of debts the rich clubs like PSG, Chelsea and City will stand more chance to win the CL. Its easy for clubs like Chelsea to turn this down and still succeed. I don't think they were worried about the impact of clubs who they celebrate taking the best players from.

There's so much wrong with football and it's spiralled out of control. There's a hell.of lot of work to be done still. We're by no means innocent in all of this but we're also not the biggest culprits. The club have a lot of work to do now to rebuild relations with the fans again. We have to continue to support our communities and lower league football. All clubs are suffering and this action by the 12 is not right. We should embrace competition and help support the clubs who provide so much to the sport. The same clubs who have provided great players for our clubs and who have helped players on loan.

great post

at the very least what we need going forward is:
1) salary caps
2) limit on number of players you can have on your books
3) limit on number of loans
4) limit on agent fees
5) transparency from UEFA and FIFA on what they earn and where all the money goes

90% of money in football goes on players salaries. This cannot continue as it is unsustainable.
91% of the Sky deal goes to the Premiership, 9% to the remaining 72 clubs.

Lots to do

 

[PLTuck]

Now if we could all get as angry about bigotry in any form, poverty and climate change please.

Ta.

 

[Amo]

Even a pleb like me knows it’s a touch more complicated than rushing through a law on a whim that would be bespoke for just one specific industry, not just because of the various other industr with vested interests in that one situation, but because of the precedent it could then set for all types of unforeseen situations. Particularly when there is a) no contractual penalty for releasing a press release that said you intend to do something.... before releasing another one two days later saying in reflection you’d rather not and b) absolutely no precedent for dealing with this situation which suggests that expulsion of clubs is even remotely possible.

Any half decent lawyer (which I am not) could give you a proper answer faster than you can say ‘judicial review’. Me, I’m just not so daft that I think BoJo the clown is trying to do anything other than score political points off the back of the public outcry.

What happened is shit. There be no tangible repercussions. People need to move on.

Just for starters:


Judicial review is for challenging the exercising of power by the executive branch not the enactment of new powers by the legislature.

Judicial review in the UK does not allow for challenges towards primary legislation at all. Apart from some very very niche cases, parliament is sovereign and can do whatever it likes.

 

[Stamford]

According to The Times, Johnson informed the FA and Premier League that if they chose to expel the breakaway clubs from their competitions then the government would immediately change competition laws to prevent the breakaway clubs from mounting legal action.

Personally don't agree with that at all

 

[tototoner]

 

[WinksyBoy]

Zoom meeting Friday evening.

 

[hellava_tough]

great post

at the very least what we need going forward is:
1) salary caps
2) limit on number of players you can have on your books
3) limit on number of loans
4) limit on agent fees
5) transparency from UEFA and FIFA on what they earn and where all the money goes

90% of money in football goes on players salaries. This cannot continue as it is unsustainable.
91% of the Sky deal goes to the Premiership, 9% to the remaining 72 clubs.

Lots to do

To be honest, I'd like to see football go 'ultra-purist'.

Basically, you have to have a family connection to the area where your club is based, if you want to play for them.

Perhaps that's a bit OTT for most

 

[CanadaSpurs]

Salary caps are just another tool in the billionaire toolbox for extracting profits for themselves.

They sell them as parity but after watching North American sports for decades what it is is manufactured mediocrity. Soon you’ll have MBAs from around the world lining up to be paid handsomely to help your club manage the salary cap and exploit the rule book to find a bit more space to fit all the players in (“capologists” they’ve become called over here).

You will hear of a tremendous player coming to the team and your first thought will be “great, as long as they still have space for everyone else.” Thrilling stuff I tell you.

You don’t want salary caps in football.

 

[Amo]

Man United and Liverpool in talks to play a two-legged friendly in the summer.

I'm not joking.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Just for starters:


Judicial review is for challenging the exercising of power by the executive branch not the enactment of new powers by the legislature.

Judicial review in the UK does not allow for challenges towards primary legislation at all. Apart from some very very niche cases, parliament is sovereign and can do whatever it likes.

Did I say clubs would use judicial review? Or did I throw out a well known legal term that would fit the quip ‘faster than you can say’?

I think you know the answer but I’m sure you’re already thinking up some clever and in no way sarcastic response.

No legislation is being pushed through to protect the PL from being sued if they kick the clubs out and of it was in such a small time frame it would have more holes in it than Butch and Sundance after their final showdown.

We’re not being relegated, banned from competitions or punished in anyway way other than a slap on the wrist. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

[Julmust]

great post

at the very least what we need going forward is:
1) salary caps
2) limit on number of players you can have on your books
3) limit on number of loans
4) limit on agent fees
5) transparency from UEFA and FIFA on what they earn and where all the money goes

90% of money in football goes on players salaries. This cannot continue as it is unsustainable.
91% of the Sky deal goes to the Premiership, 9% to the remaining 72 clubs.

Lots to do

I think the player's salaries are a symptom of the problem, not the root cause of it. The money started pouring into football a long time ago, and it's only natural for the players to extract as much value as possible from that, as they are the ones creating the value. Not to mention the richest clubs would find ways to pay players what they want anyway due to sponsorship deals etc. Even if you would be able to cap what players earn (which would be highly problematic in itself), with the current ownership structures, it would just lead to owners pocketing the extra profit themselves.

This is all on the owners, and the corrupt regulatory bodies that allowed them into the game in the first place. It is not on the players.

 

[tobi]

According to The Times, Johnson informed the FA and Premier League that if they chose to expel the breakaway clubs from their competitions then the government would immediately change competition laws to prevent the breakaway clubs from mounting legal action.

Wouldn't this be a case of a government interfering with football matters which is against FIFA law?

 

[Spartanspurs]

Full disclosure, I'm beyond glad this whole ESL fiasco has gone tits up.

However, I find it sickening that this created more of a fuss and generated far more outrage than the reports of Qatar essentially using slave labour to the point of killing workers when building stadiums for the 2022 World Cup.

I don't blame fans for this as I think the level of outrage can be at least partly managed by the media and it's so blatantly obvious in this case that Sky + others drove a huge amount of the outrage because it threatened their bottom line.

It just can't be right though that footballing competition is treated more seriously by governments, pundits, football organisations and fans than the deaths of hundreds of people.

 

[yankspurs]

Zoom meeting Friday evening.

They’ve got a big task on their hands. They cant take Spurs side on this and will never do that. But they also cant exactly call for a takeover when the club has given them *some* access over the years. Dont envy them.

 

[Jaddas]

 

[LSUY]

Wouldn't this be a case of a government interfering with football matters which is against FIFA law?

No because it's not interference with a national association. If the government told the FA to expel the breakaway clubs then it's against FIFA rules.

 

[PLTuck]

If there's one thing that been laid bare by this shambles its the unsustainable nature of the game. The thing is, it's entirely self inflicted. It's only unsustainable because transfer fees and wages have skyrocketed over the last 3 decades because everyone is trying to keep up with the joneses.

Football bubble was always going to burst at some point. Covid brought it home to roost. I don't trust anyone involved (apart from maybe Tracey whatsername in govt) to do the right thing which is to put a stop to the ridiculous transfer fees and wage bills.

Personally I'd like a full reset of english football. It has just gotten more and more chaotic with var and esl and £200m transfers and £500k a week wages and £100+ ticket prices. A full reset of european football too. Champions league should be for champions only and the money put back into domestic leagues (and cups. I still cant believe we were willing to bin off the FA Cup!) above the CL. It's chasing the CL year after year and the money that comes with that has got clubs into this mess.

Oh, and bring back the cup winners cup.

 

[kannanmothalali]

You are the friend that’s always late ain’t you?

Sorry that i have life and can't F5 twitter like a neckbeard.