Eric Dier

[eddiebailey]

Fans have short memories. After Conte’s arrival Dier was fine in a back three up until the World Cup, after which he was apparently carrying a knock. However, he is ill-suited to Ange’s high line (unlike Sanchez who would have thrived under it).
Ange is not one for freezing players out, so I expect we’ll see him on the bench, but probably with Phillips alongside him.

 

[jpascavitz]

Fans have short memories. After Conte’s arrival Dier was fine up in a back three up until the World Cup, after which he was apparently carrying a knock. However, he is ill-suited to Ange’s high line (unlike Sanchez who would have thrived under it).
Ange is not one for freezing players out, so I expect we’ll see him on the bench, but probably with Phillips alongside him.

Yes agreed. It really seems like he's the opposite of a bad egg and it seems it's just not a good system fit.

He's always played for the badge and is even said to want his fight for his place this season.

I really don't blame players either for wanting to have full control of their future these days. Yes, me personally would rather play, but we all know in today's football world the players are starting to have more power/control. He probably thinks he'll have more clubs calling if he's on a free.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

Fans have short memories. After Conte’s arrival Dier was fine up in a back three up until the World Cup, after which he was apparently carrying a knock. However, he is ill-suited to Ange’s high line (unlike Sanchez who would have thrived under it).
Ange is not one for freezing players out, so I expect we’ll see him on the bench, but probably with Phillips alongside him.

Johnson & Lo Celso will be ahead of him.

Emerson, Davies & Phillips, is enough defensive cover for Ange.

 

[Joshua]

Fans have short memories. After Conte’s arrival Dier was fine in a back three up until the World Cup, after which he was apparently carrying a knock. However, he is ill-suited to Ange’s high line (unlike Sanchez who would have thrived under it).
Ange is not one for freezing players out, so I expect we’ll see him on the bench, but probably with Phillips alongside him.

Be amazed if he finds himself on the bench. It’s been made absolutely crystal clear he’s not in the managers plans. It would actually be more negligent to put him in with any expectations of him performing now than it would be to just leave him out and make do with youth or players covering out of position.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Ange is not one for freezing players out

Pretty much exactly what he did with Ndombele, Reguilon and Dier. (And to a lesser extent Hugo - though I think that was by mutual consent)

None of those 3 have seen the bench this year - including the cup match at Fulham.

 

[Trix]

Pretty much exactly what he did with Ndombele, Reguilon and Dier. (And to a lesser extent Hugo - though I think that was by mutual consent)

None of those 3 have seen the bench this year - including the cup match at Fulham.

Is that freezing them out? Maybe it's just that we have differing definitions of what that means, but to me freezing them out is pushing them away from the rest of the squad and forcing them to train alone or with another group. That hasn't happened with any of them. They haven't been deemed good enough so they've been omitted from the match day squads and that is all.

 

[Japhet]

Where have people seen enough of Phillips and Dorrington to be declaring them ready for the EPL? I've seen Dorrington bossing it against his peer group and a bit of Phillips in the championship, but that's about it.

 

[coysjod]

Where have people seen enough of Phillips and Dorrington to be declaring them ready for the EPL? I've seen Dorrington bossing it against his peer group and a bit of Phillips in the championship, but that's about it.

Luckily ”people” do not decide this but Ange.

 

[TOLBINY]

Where have people seen enough of Phillips and Dorrington to be declaring them ready for the EPL? I've seen Dorrington bossing it against his peer group and a bit of Phillips in the championship, but that's about it.

I think you can be in favour of promoting Philips and Doorington without having to declare them ready for the EPL. fact is we know what Dier can do in the EPL and the only way we find out if Phillips or Dorrington are any better (or worse) is to give them the opportunity.

 

[robotsonic]

Is that freezing them out? Maybe it's just that we have differing definitions of what that means, but to me freezing them out is pushing them away from the rest of the squad and forcing them to train alone or with another group. That hasn't happened with any of them. They haven't been deemed good enough so they've been omitted from the match day squads and that is all.

He's literally gone to pains more than once to mention how he has no interest in treating players like that, in fact.

 

[Joshua]

Where have people seen enough of Phillips and Dorrington to be declaring them ready for the EPL? I've seen Dorrington bossing it against his peer group and a bit of Phillips in the championship, but that's about it.

We haven’t but we do know they’re excellent for their age group and are very much worth finding out if they can do it at Premier League level. And that can only be done with opportunities.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Where have people seen enough of Phillips and Dorrington to be declaring them ready for the EPL? I've seen Dorrington bossing it against his peer group and a bit of Phillips in the championship, but that's about it.

It's hope more than evidence based. They might be right...let's hope so

 

[KingNick]

We haven’t but we do know they’re excellent for their age group and are very much worth finding out if they can do it at Premier League level. And that can only be done with opportunities.

Exactly that. They can't really do any more to prove themselves without going out on loan. They boss the only level available to them at the moment (PL2) and are the best in their positions and age groups in the country hence their England age group call ups. Sometimes players need a loan to teach them different aspects but I don't think that's a one size fits all approach and can be counter-productive if they get the wrong loan and learn bad habits etc.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Interesting website on players top speeds (if correct), Dier faster than Sanchez ????

Tottenham Soccer Players Top Speeds - speedsdb.com

Here you will find all the Tottenham soccer players top speeds. You can use filters and narrow down by soccer teams to find the player of your choosing.

speedsdb.com

 

[Yid121]

Interesting website on players top speeds (if correct), Dier faster than Sanchez ????

Tottenham Soccer Players Top Speeds - speedsdb.com

Here you will find all the Tottenham soccer players top speeds. You can use filters and narrow down by soccer teams to find the player of your choosing.

speedsdb.com

May well be true but the problem with Dier is he has 0 acceleration and the agility of a brick

 

[Rosco1984]

Where have people seen enough of Phillips and Dorrington to be declaring them ready for the EPL? I've seen Dorrington bossing it against his peer group and a bit of Phillips in the championship, but that's about it.

Its more people had seen enough of the established back ups to know they definitely arent good enough so why persist with them blocking younger players paths.

 

[rabbikeane]

Interesting website on players top speeds (if correct), Dier faster than Sanchez ????

Tottenham Soccer Players Top Speeds - speedsdb.com

Here you will find all the Tottenham soccer players top speeds. You can use filters and narrow down by soccer teams to find the player of your choosing.

speedsdb.com

Top speed isn't the most essential measure for a footballer. Quick acceleration on shorter distances are most of the time more useful. And it's usually not the same players that excel in the two. Being timed at highest top speed in game is also very depended on if you are set up in situations to reach top speed, ie fairly long distance sprints.

Dier is very fast when he reach top speed, not the fastest to accelerate in his first steps.
I believe there was a season he was measured to reach the fastest top speed in the league.

 

[robbiedee]

Interesting website on players top speeds (if correct), Dier faster than Sanchez ????

Tottenham Soccer Players Top Speeds - speedsdb.com

Here you will find all the Tottenham soccer players top speeds. You can use filters and narrow down by soccer teams to find the player of your choosing.

speedsdb.com

I'm pretty sure in his earlier years with us, Dier was reported to have one of the fastest 'accelerations' in the prem. Age and injuries have clearly taken their toll.

 

[Nayim60yards]

Top speed isn't the most essential measure for a footballer. Quick acceleration on shorter distances are most of the time more useful. And it's usually not the same players that excel in the two. Being timed at highest top speed in game is also very depended on if you are set up in situations to reach top speed, ie fairly long distance sprints.

Dier is very fast when he reach top speed, not the fastest to accelerate in his first steps.
I believe there was a season he was measured to reach the fastest top speed in the league.

Yep, he is not quick off the mark at all and that small margin is massive in top level football. By the time he is hitting his top speed the attacker has already flown past him and got his shot away.

 

[dontcallme]

Luckily ”people” do not decide this but Ange.

Exactly.

If Ange judges him as ready then fair enough.

Bit playing youngsters before they’re ready can be very detrimental to the player and the team. So I don’t see how fans with such limited knowledge can judge him as ready to play.