ENIC...

[Mattspur]

I'm interested to know those that keep defending ENIC there must be a reason for it so assuming there is no finanical gain from supporting them (ie don't work for them or have some other financial ties) my one question and I mean this respectfully when do you see us becoming successful under them?

Because those against them simply don't see it...

I have had issue with ENIC the earliest I can remember was since 2008, I give them a free pass the years before that as losing Campbell set us back years, but 2008 the Berbatov saga, selling him last minute without a replacement was inexcusable and ruined the following season, and yes the argument you can't keep an unhappy player, but we knew all summer he wanted to leave, didn't find a replacement, selling last minute stunk off maximum price the overriding concern rather than what was best for team. The irony was that they had to splash the cash that following January (they had no problem spending then with relegation threatening) but then came January 12 when we had opportunites at the top, hitting the jackpot with Redknapp the purse strings again were reigned in...

Since then we've had Stratford showing anything had a price for them, January 16 our greatest chance at the title in my lifetime but January again no forethought or ambition, then the famous summer of 2018 were Poch threw down the gauntlet and got his answer... The Furlough scheme followed, again showing us their main concern, then ESL where they couldn't give a shit about the fans opinion. We had the manager hunt debacle which ended in the disasterous Nuno, and now as we continue to see on field failures they see fit to raise the price of the pies!

I have been saying for the best part of 14 years we won't win under these guys, so far I've been proven right, I take no joy in that, the constant is they spend when they have too, they don't spend to win and nothing looks like changing since that big carrot of the Stadium has opened, still that lack of focus and ambition, fundamentally when you have an owner that couldn't be arsed going to watch the matches that in effect is a much bigger deal than people like to admit. Seeing the way they operate it is clear they have no where near the same ambition on field as off it, there one main concern cash, and the concerning thing is I can see us still debating this in another 14 years...

When do I see us becoming successful under ENIC? I suppose that really depends on what is meant by successful. If success is winning the league, then the answer is "never". And that answer would be the same whoever owned us, unless they have more money than City or Newcastle. I never expect to see Spurs win the league and if they did it would be a miracle.

Is success winning a cup? ENIC have been unlucky not to win silverware. When we've got to finals or semi-finals we've invariably been drawn against superior teams and the manager and players haven't been able to win when it really mattered, but I believe this to be an issue with the players and managers rather than the boardroom.

For me, success is finishing higher in the league than our resources should allow. I'd say that's currently 5th/6th. So, I can see us being successful in the near future. Perhaps even this season. This also means that I see some of our past seasons as successes. Finishing 2nd, 3rd and 4th are all huge successes. Qualifying for CL football is a massive success for us, never mind getting to the bloody final!

If you think that success is only about winning the league or CL then you are going to be a very disappointed fan. It's not going to happen. There's nothing we can do to make it happen and if you think anything less than it happening is failure, then you're always going to support a club that you see as a failure. Adjust your perception of success or you will only ever bring misery upon yourself.

 

[the lad]

When do I see us becoming successful under ENIC? I suppose that really depends on what is meant by successful. If success is winning the league, then the answer is "never". And that answer would be the same whoever owned us, unless they have more money than City or Newcastle. I never expect to see Spurs win the league and if they did it would be a miracle.

Is success winning a cup? ENIC have been unlucky not to win silverware. When we've got to finals or semi-finals we've invariably been drawn against superior teams and the manager and players haven't been able to win when it really mattered, but I believe this to be an issue with the players and managers rather than the boardroom.

For me, success is finishing higher in the league than our resources should allow. I'd say that's currently 5th/6th. So, I can see us being successful in the near future. Perhaps even this season. This also means that I see some of our past seasons as successes. Finishing 2nd, 3rd and 4th are all huge successes. Qualifying for CL football is a massive success for us, never mind getting to the bloody final!

If you think that success is only about winning the league or CL then you are going to be a very disappointed fan. It's not going to happen. There's nothing we can do to make it happen and if you think anything less than it happening is failure, then you're always going to support a club that you see as a failure. Adjust your perception of success or you will only ever bring misery upon yourself.

This post is an apology for failure and incompetence.
You support property developers unfortunately owns a football club. I support a football club that to it detriment is owned by property developers.

 

[Mattspur]

This post is an apology for failure and incompetence.
You support property developers unfortunately owns a football club. I support a football club that to it detriment is owned by property developers.

If you think that's failure, what would be a success in your eyes?

 

[the lad]

If you think that's failure, what would be a success in your eyes?

Winning more than one trophy in twenty years for staters.

 

[ILS]

I will start by stating that I first lost faith in Enic/Levy/Uncle Joe with the removal Jol and then the Berbatov fiasco. I had hoped that these incidents were learning moments, but their selling of Modric in 2012 and then finally Bale is 2013 cemented my hatred for them. Levy's actions are pathetic and wreak of milking the club for all cash possible.

THIS IS WHAT A SERIOUS CLUB AND CHAIRMAN DOES...

When RM come calling for Modric, you immediately ask for Ramos for the same price, and you double or triple, maybe quadruple? Modric's wages. You pay what he is worth.

I will never ever buy the theory that the "player's heart was in Real Madrid." Almost as farcical is "the player wants champions league." LOL!!! It is always about cash. You pay the player what he's worth. Levy of course is a massive failure in this regard, always trying to pay players as little as possible.
Have any of you read Soccernomics. I know Levy hasn't, or maybe he has! They point to an amazing correlational stat... player salaries. There is an almost one to one relationship in player salaries and finishing positions. There are a few exceptions, us in 2016, Leicester (higher), and ManU (lower) in the past few years, but the overwhelming majority of the time the team with the highest salaries wins the league. (Its not rocket science).

Modric's sale opens the door for RM to do the same with Bale. Bale is the best British born player of the premier league era. Levy must say no, and pay whatever it takes to make Bale feel respected to ensure he stays. Levy of course does not.

If Levy had kept Modric/Bale we could have had at the start of the 2016 season.

Lloris - easily top 3 goalies of the last 10 years
Walker - best RB of the last 10 years
Toby
Vertonghen
Rose
Dembele - best ball retainer we've ever had
Modric - Ballon D'or winner
Bale - Best British born player of the premier league era
Eriksen
Son
Kane

That team sweeps all before it.
(Real Madrid in 2016 win both the Champions League and La Liga and we enter a Special Relationship of being their @#$%$#!!!)
Its a crying shame Dembele and Modric never played together.
This is why I hate Levy/ENIC/Uncle Joe... and nothing will ever change that.

But would we have bought Dembele if Modric had still been here? Would Kane have been giving time if Bale was still ripping it up?

You are clearly the type of football fan that says we should be 4-0 up after having four good chances in the first half but never takes into consideration, that had the first chance been a goal that then changes the whole timeline of the events which occurs afterwards.

Seriously if there was ever a post of If's you have smashed it out of the park!!!

 

[NeckOil]

Are you serious or taking the piss ?

I'm serious. I know its going on but I have no idea if people will be attending it. Lots of angry people with ENIC but I don't know how many actually want to try and make a change

 

[the lad]

I'm serious. I know its going on but I have no idea if people will be attending it. Lots of angry people with ENIC but I don't know how many actually want to try and make a change

Great to hear your serious, hopefully it will be the first of many.

 

[Mattspur]

Winning more than one trophy in twenty years for starters.

Which teams with lower resources than us have won more trophies than us in that time?

Leicester, that's it.

We have no right to win a trophy. I know we have won trophies throughout our history but times have changed. We are in the era of the super rich and the super rich invariably win it all. The richer we get the more chance we have of being successful. How many trophies have Man City and Chelsea won in that time? How many had they won before they were bought? We can't all win, so it's the richest that do. In every league. In every country.

I'd much rather get CL qualification than win a domestic trophy. Teams (including us) don't even take the cup competitions seriously anymore. We just played a semi-final against a bitter rival and didn't even play our strongest team. Neither did they. I'd rather watch Spurs play the likes of Real Madrid, Juventus, Barcelona, Bayern, Ajax, Dortmund, Inter and AC Milan than put out a second string team in the cups.

On what basis do you believe we should have won more than one trophy in the last 20 years?

 

[Samcthfc]

I'm serious. I know its going on but I have no idea if people will be attending it. Lots of angry people with ENIC but I don't know how many actually want to try and make a change

350 people rumoured to be going so far if you see their tweets ?

 

[mpickard2087]

I will start by stating that I first lost faith in Enic/Levy/Uncle Joe with the removal Jol and then the Berbatov fiasco. I had hoped that these incidents were learning moments, but their selling of Modric in 2012 and then finally Bale is 2013 cemented my hatred for them. Levy's actions are pathetic and wreak of milking the club for all cash possible.

THIS IS WHAT A SERIOUS CLUB AND CHAIRMAN DOES...

When RM come calling for Modric, you immediately ask for Ramos for the same price, and you double or triple, maybe quadruple? Modric's wages. You pay what he is worth.

I will never ever buy the theory that the "player's heart was in Real Madrid." Almost as farcical is "the player wants champions league." LOL!!! It is always about cash. You pay the player what he's worth. Levy of course is a massive failure in this regard, always trying to pay players as little as possible.
Have any of you read Soccernomics. I know Levy hasn't, or maybe he has! They point to an amazing correlational stat... player salaries. There is an almost one to one relationship in player salaries and finishing positions. There are a few exceptions, us in 2016, Leicester (higher), and ManU (lower) in the past few years, but the overwhelming majority of the time the team with the highest salaries wins the league. (Its not rocket science).

Modric's sale opens the door for RM to do the same with Bale. Bale is the best British born player of the premier league era. Levy must say no, and pay whatever it takes to make Bale feel respected to ensure he stays. Levy of course does not.

If Levy had kept Modric/Bale we could have had at the start of the 2016 season.

Lloris - easily top 3 goalies of the last 10 years
Walker - best RB of the last 10 years
Toby
Vertonghen
Rose
Dembele - best ball retainer we've ever had
Modric - Ballon D'or winner
Bale - Best British born player of the premier league era
Eriksen
Son
Kane

That team sweeps all before it.
(Real Madrid in 2016 win both the Champions League and La Liga and we enter a Special Relationship of being their @#$%$#!!!)
Its a crying shame Dembele and Modric never played together.
This is why I hate Levy/ENIC/Uncle Joe... and nothing will ever change that.

Quite possibly post of the decade* this. Congrats.























*The worst one, that is

 

[NeckOil]

350 people rumoured to be going so far if you see their tweets ?

Thanks. More than I thought. Should be an interesting day to see if ssn pick up on this taking place rather than what's not happening in the window

 

[Samcthfc]

Thanks. More than I thought. Should be an interesting day to see if ssn pick up on this taking place rather than what's not happening in the windo

 

[Samcthfc]

Thanks. More than I thought. Should be an interesting day to see if ssn pick up on this taking place rather than what's not happening in the window

There won’t be anything happening in regards to incoming transfers so I’m sure they will pick up on it

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

When do I see us becoming successful under ENIC? I suppose that really depends on what is meant by successful. If success is winning the league, then the answer is "never". And that answer would be the same whoever owned us, unless they have more money than City or Newcastle. I never expect to see Spurs win the league and if they did it would be a miracle.

Is success winning a cup? ENIC have been unlucky not to win silverware. When we've got to finals or semi-finals we've invariably been drawn against superior teams and the manager and players haven't been able to win when it really mattered, but I believe this to be an issue with the players and managers rather than the boardroom.

For me, success is finishing higher in the league than our resources should allow. I'd say that's currently 5th/6th. So, I can see us being successful in the near future. Perhaps even this season. This also means that I see some of our past seasons as successes. Finishing 2nd, 3rd and 4th are all huge successes. Qualifying for CL football is a massive success for us, never mind getting to the bloody final!

If you think that success is only about winning the league or CL then you are going to be a very disappointed fan. It's not going to happen. There's nothing we can do to make it happen and if you think anything less than it happening is failure, then you're always going to support a club that you see as a failure. Adjust your perception of success or you will only ever bring misery upon yourself.

Extremely defeatist attitude 'that doesn't bring misery upon yourself'. Had we had ambitious owners in Jan 16 or Summer of 18 we quite possibly could have had a CL and League title, in your lifetime! But we'll never know, but what we do know is with them doing fuck all those two windows we have nothing... But foremost I want to us to get back to our roots 'To Dare is to Do" For the owners to go for it best they can when any opportunity arises, examples I gave you in the past but there will be more in future when the Citys and Chelseas underperform, if we do this and fail I can accept that, I can't accept owners that continually take the piss saying one thing then doing another, their many actions showing contempt for the fan have spoken much louder than their failed propaganda vids...

 

[McFlash]

the reasons are still fucking dumb

Mate, if you don't like the place, no one's keeping you here.
I'm sure TFC will welcome you with open arms

 

[Delboy75]

I think the reason people are so irate is the feeling it’s just Groundhog Day after 20 years. With the appointment of Conte and Paratici people thought oh maybe just maybe things really are gonna Change and we will act like a big club. We are in a wide open top 4 race, we have possibly the most obvious ever case for an elite manager to be backed. But sadly right now it just looks like the same old shit. The only tiny saving grace for me is that none of our rivals have strengthened either, but I’m really clutching at straws with that. It’s like having a Friend for 20 years who’s been a bit of a car crash but you’ve always stood by them. Then they get a great job, great house, great gf and you think wow this time they are really sorted they’ve really changed. But even then they still manage to Fck it up, eventually you just think nah I cba.

 

[dudu]

Anyone can bid £20m less than a player's valuation, safe in the knowledge that the bid won't be accepted. Let's see if we actually sign him.

You made an assumption that we had no money to spend based on very little, I was simply pointing out that there was more to go on pointing towards the contrary.

 

[dudu]

Can you imagine Levy got Conte to come without promising that sufficient money would be made available?
Does it make any sense at all that Levy would then underbid for players deliberately so that Conte leaves?
Do you think it likely that selling clubs don't know that Levy has to buy and therefore raise their prices?
Do you want Levy to overpay for players now thus reducing the funds available in the much larger summer market?

I really hope we can get some decent players in what remains of this window and that we make even better acquisitons in the early summer so as to progress next season with our impressive manager. I do so as a Spurs supporter without any other agenda.

I am really confused about the assertion that Levy is the one bidding? Do we know who is in charge of making the bids and spending the budgets at the moment?

 

[dudu]

I think the reason people are so irate is the feeling it’s just Groundhog Day after 20 years. With the appointment of Conte and Paratici people thought oh maybe just maybe things really are gonna Change and we will act like a big club. We are in a wide open top 4 race, we have possibly the most obvious ever case for an elite manager to be backed. But sadly right now it just looks like the same old shit. The only tiny saving grace for me is that none of our rivals have strengthened either, but I’m really clutching at straws with that. It’s like having a Friend for 20 years who’s been a bit of a car crash but you’ve always stood by them. Then they get a great job, great house, great gf and you think wow this time they are really sorted they’ve really changed. But even then they still manage to Fck it up, eventually you just think nah I cba.

Simple question - what has Conte asked for in terms of being backed?

 

[shelfsidespur]

I am really confused about the assertion that Levy is the one bidding? Do we know who is in charge of making the bids and spending the budgets at the moment?

Fair point.
I certainly don't know who is actually making the bids. However DL is the Chief Executive ( as well as a substantial shareholde in ENIC) and therefore takes ultimate responsibility even though he probably delegates. I would think (but don't know) that he has final sign-off even if might be just procedure. If you employ an expensive DOF( ie. an expert) and make promises to a manager then it would be normal practice in a corporate structure.